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Why the "1." in the name? -- euyyn 22:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The article's viewpoint regarding the region's political status appears to me to be very far from a neutral point of view. Even if it agrees in sentiment with the vast majority of that area's residents, this article distorts the history of the team's location (official political territory). Its detour into politics seems to contradict or at least ignore half of the region's history. The list of historical (and verifiable) points presented below is not intended to replace the pro-German stance, but to suggest mollifying it. However, I do agree though that this is a rare case where the region's politics are directly relevant to its football team.
Wikipedia policy requires an impartial tone ( WP:IMPARTIAL), which is certainly transgressed when only presenting one opinion ( WP:BALANCE), presenting unsourced opinions of what might have happened but didn't, like "seeing a German side romp through the [French First division]" ( WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV), or by only expressing one opinion (however mainstream) ( WP:UNDUE) that differs from the verifiable fact ( WP:VERIFY), like "the German state of Saarland" to describe the area at a time when it was administered as a protectorate France, but had its own national team, and was an independent FIFA member ( WP:POVNAMING). For example, I consider it important to note that support for this club when it was within the French football system was the reason that Jules Rimet ( FIFA World Cup founder) resigned from French football administration. It is hard to properly explain team-related events such as that, if you make the easily-refuted claim that the team was in Germany at the time. There are a small number of non-political biases too, such as dead last (WP:CLICHE).
The article's tone doesn't seem to agree with the history summarized by these verifiable points:
It should now be a little more obvious why the team spent more time in French football leagues than in German leagues for the first fifty years of its existence. The article's claim that the team and its players were "forced out" of a German league they were never in seems inaccurate at best, upon learning that the national association (Saarland) was an independent member of FIFA at the time and the Saarland national team consisted primarily of this team's players. The current territorial classification of the team as a part of Germany has its origin in he terms of the Saar Treaty of 27 October 1956 (the day I was born exactly 57 years ago "today"). The team has been in West Germany or Germany since the Saar Treaty came into effect on 1 January 1957.
ChrisJBenson (
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Why the "1." in the name? -- euyyn 22:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The article's viewpoint regarding the region's political status appears to me to be very far from a neutral point of view. Even if it agrees in sentiment with the vast majority of that area's residents, this article distorts the history of the team's location (official political territory). Its detour into politics seems to contradict or at least ignore half of the region's history. The list of historical (and verifiable) points presented below is not intended to replace the pro-German stance, but to suggest mollifying it. However, I do agree though that this is a rare case where the region's politics are directly relevant to its football team.
Wikipedia policy requires an impartial tone ( WP:IMPARTIAL), which is certainly transgressed when only presenting one opinion ( WP:BALANCE), presenting unsourced opinions of what might have happened but didn't, like "seeing a German side romp through the [French First division]" ( WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV), or by only expressing one opinion (however mainstream) ( WP:UNDUE) that differs from the verifiable fact ( WP:VERIFY), like "the German state of Saarland" to describe the area at a time when it was administered as a protectorate France, but had its own national team, and was an independent FIFA member ( WP:POVNAMING). For example, I consider it important to note that support for this club when it was within the French football system was the reason that Jules Rimet ( FIFA World Cup founder) resigned from French football administration. It is hard to properly explain team-related events such as that, if you make the easily-refuted claim that the team was in Germany at the time. There are a small number of non-political biases too, such as dead last (WP:CLICHE).
The article's tone doesn't seem to agree with the history summarized by these verifiable points:
It should now be a little more obvious why the team spent more time in French football leagues than in German leagues for the first fifty years of its existence. The article's claim that the team and its players were "forced out" of a German league they were never in seems inaccurate at best, upon learning that the national association (Saarland) was an independent member of FIFA at the time and the Saarland national team consisted primarily of this team's players. The current territorial classification of the team as a part of Germany has its origin in he terms of the Saar Treaty of 27 October 1956 (the day I was born exactly 57 years ago "today"). The team has been in West Germany or Germany since the Saar Treaty came into effect on 1 January 1957.
ChrisJBenson (
talk) 09:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)