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I don't see how Perez's defensive statistics are relevant to this article.
He's a pitcher so his numbers are skewed due to a very small sample size. He had only 15 chances all year in 29 starts, so a .833 fielding percentage does not tell whether he had a good year defensively. If he made all 15 plays (which even the worst fielder in the majors could potentially do), would we be writing about how impressive his defense was? Definitely not.
And again with the range factor, he's a fly ball and strikeout pitcher. So even if he was a great fielder, he'd never get the chances to have a high range factor, a stat that is simply a measurement of how many chances you have.
Leaving these stats on their own mislead people about the subject of the article. The purpose of this site is to enhance people's understanding about the subject. Not to mislead them into believing something untrue because of some skewed numbers we throw out there.
Even leaving the numbers in with explanations of how they're skewed makes the article about the relevancy of fielding statistics for pitchers, not about Oliver Perez.
It's inaccurate to portray him as a bad fielder based on these statistics. Obviously the statistics are cold hard numbers and are true. Nobody is arguing that. But using them to make a case of his fielding ability is subjective at best. I'm safe to remove the references based simply on wikipedia policy on subjectivity. But I'm also removing them based on the fact these numbers give no real proof that he's a bad fielder.
And finally, fielding isn't the story of Perez's career. In the big picture, it's not relevant to the article. Wikipedia has that 10-year rule. In 10-years will it matter that Perez's skewed fielding percentage happened to be lower than other National Leaguers? I'm pretty sure not.
Are we really going to give as many words in this article to his fielding in 2007 as we do to his Game 7 pitching performance in the 2006 NLCS? Does that make any sense?
Statistics are dangerous because of situations like this. I am removing the defensive references. If you have a compelling reason as to why they are relevant, please use the talk page to explain as it's silly to have an edit war over this. I took the time to make a well thought out case as to why the defensive statistics are irrelevant. If you believe they are relevant, please do the same. Ags412 22:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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I don't see how Perez's defensive statistics are relevant to this article.
He's a pitcher so his numbers are skewed due to a very small sample size. He had only 15 chances all year in 29 starts, so a .833 fielding percentage does not tell whether he had a good year defensively. If he made all 15 plays (which even the worst fielder in the majors could potentially do), would we be writing about how impressive his defense was? Definitely not.
And again with the range factor, he's a fly ball and strikeout pitcher. So even if he was a great fielder, he'd never get the chances to have a high range factor, a stat that is simply a measurement of how many chances you have.
Leaving these stats on their own mislead people about the subject of the article. The purpose of this site is to enhance people's understanding about the subject. Not to mislead them into believing something untrue because of some skewed numbers we throw out there.
Even leaving the numbers in with explanations of how they're skewed makes the article about the relevancy of fielding statistics for pitchers, not about Oliver Perez.
It's inaccurate to portray him as a bad fielder based on these statistics. Obviously the statistics are cold hard numbers and are true. Nobody is arguing that. But using them to make a case of his fielding ability is subjective at best. I'm safe to remove the references based simply on wikipedia policy on subjectivity. But I'm also removing them based on the fact these numbers give no real proof that he's a bad fielder.
And finally, fielding isn't the story of Perez's career. In the big picture, it's not relevant to the article. Wikipedia has that 10-year rule. In 10-years will it matter that Perez's skewed fielding percentage happened to be lower than other National Leaguers? I'm pretty sure not.
Are we really going to give as many words in this article to his fielding in 2007 as we do to his Game 7 pitching performance in the 2006 NLCS? Does that make any sense?
Statistics are dangerous because of situations like this. I am removing the defensive references. If you have a compelling reason as to why they are relevant, please use the talk page to explain as it's silly to have an edit war over this. I took the time to make a well thought out case as to why the defensive statistics are irrelevant. If you believe they are relevant, please do the same. Ags412 22:50, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Óliver Pérez/Comments (baseball), and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
*Need references. |
Last edited at 00:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 14:26, 10 October 2016 (UTC)