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Article was originally at "Aefric", however all but the first reference to his name calls him "Aelfric", and another poster has commented that "Aefric" is incorrect. Moved article to "Aelfric" The Anome
The page has now been moved from AElfric to Ælfric. Links from Aefric, Aelfric and AElfric have been updated/created. Btw. A and E are NEVER both capitalized in an otherwise lowercase word unless combined in a ligature (Æ)!!! Aelfric, not AElfric, is the correct title if the ligature is not used/not available. -- Krun 22:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
I've read some of Ælfric's works, but was unfamiliar with the name Ælfric Grammaticus and the combination of the Old English Ælfric with the Latin Grammaticus seems jarring. I decided to check what he's called in some authoritative sources.
In the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition (a source of this article) we find:
In the Catholic Encyclopedia (1907) the entry is:
In the Library of Congress catalog, the author entry is:
In the Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England he is listed as:
It seems that Ælfric Grammaticus is not a widely accepted form of his name, and either Aelfric, Abbot of Eynsham or Aelfric of Eynsham would be preferred titles for this article. In other articles it is common to refer to an Abbot as "'Person' of 'Place'" (see, for example, the entries for the Abbots of Iona.
Following that model, Ælfric of Eynsham seems to be the preferred name for this article. Any comments? -- SteveMcCluskey 23:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Digging a bit further in the British Library web page I found the following authoritative statement (the BL follows the LOC here). They apparently only encode the name entries with ASCII rather than Unicode, so the Æ ligature is represented there as Ae. I take this as pretty reliable evidence that his article should be headed either Ælfric, Abbot of Eynsham or Ælfric of Eynsham.
-- SteveMcCluskey 17:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The link to Aethelmaer does not come out at Aethelmaer the Stout (se Greatta}, son of Aethelweard the Historian, but as Bishop Aethelmaer the brother of Stigand. Some mistake surely ? Streona ( talk) 01:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
When I found this article, it included this statement: "Ælfric denied the immaculate birth of the Virgin (Homilies, ed. Thorpe, ii.466)" This seems to be based on a common misunderstanding of what the Immaculate Conception (not immaculate birth) of the Virgin means - it means that she was conceived without Original Sin, not that she, like Jesus, had a virginal conception. Thorpe's translation of the cited passage says:
"What shall we say of the birth-tide of Mary, save that she was begotten by father and by mother as other persons, and was born on the day that we call the eighth of September? Her father was named Joachim, and her mother Anna, pious persons according to the old law; but we will not write further concerning them, lest we fall into any error."
This clearly says nothing about whether or not she was born with original sin, but does state that she was conceived through sexual union. Therefore, I removed the statement. Steorra ( talk) 18:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The title used makes this article very difficult for other editors to wikify (link their pages into). Where do I find the Saxon AE on my keyboard? I don't have the time or the inclination to waste time working out how to do this, so I am forced to cut and paste the word from this site directly into my page requiring a link. That is absurd. I fully support precision in getting the facts right, but this should be within the article - the title serves a broader purpose, as a handle for picking up this article. Pedantry must feature strongly within all Wikipedia articles, hooray to that, but not surely in the titles where it interferes with practicality. I suggest a new title of "Aelfric" - what's wrong with that? The title of the article on Socrates is not spelled in classical Greek letters, so why does this have to be spelled in Quasi-Saxon? ( Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 09:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC))
Created with DNB text from a redlink here, just to get it linked in and disambiguated [i hope] Cygnis insignis ( talk) 01:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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Article was originally at "Aefric", however all but the first reference to his name calls him "Aelfric", and another poster has commented that "Aefric" is incorrect. Moved article to "Aelfric" The Anome
The page has now been moved from AElfric to Ælfric. Links from Aefric, Aelfric and AElfric have been updated/created. Btw. A and E are NEVER both capitalized in an otherwise lowercase word unless combined in a ligature (Æ)!!! Aelfric, not AElfric, is the correct title if the ligature is not used/not available. -- Krun 22:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
I've read some of Ælfric's works, but was unfamiliar with the name Ælfric Grammaticus and the combination of the Old English Ælfric with the Latin Grammaticus seems jarring. I decided to check what he's called in some authoritative sources.
In the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition (a source of this article) we find:
In the Catholic Encyclopedia (1907) the entry is:
In the Library of Congress catalog, the author entry is:
In the Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England he is listed as:
It seems that Ælfric Grammaticus is not a widely accepted form of his name, and either Aelfric, Abbot of Eynsham or Aelfric of Eynsham would be preferred titles for this article. In other articles it is common to refer to an Abbot as "'Person' of 'Place'" (see, for example, the entries for the Abbots of Iona.
Following that model, Ælfric of Eynsham seems to be the preferred name for this article. Any comments? -- SteveMcCluskey 23:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Digging a bit further in the British Library web page I found the following authoritative statement (the BL follows the LOC here). They apparently only encode the name entries with ASCII rather than Unicode, so the Æ ligature is represented there as Ae. I take this as pretty reliable evidence that his article should be headed either Ælfric, Abbot of Eynsham or Ælfric of Eynsham.
-- SteveMcCluskey 17:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
The link to Aethelmaer does not come out at Aethelmaer the Stout (se Greatta}, son of Aethelweard the Historian, but as Bishop Aethelmaer the brother of Stigand. Some mistake surely ? Streona ( talk) 01:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
When I found this article, it included this statement: "Ælfric denied the immaculate birth of the Virgin (Homilies, ed. Thorpe, ii.466)" This seems to be based on a common misunderstanding of what the Immaculate Conception (not immaculate birth) of the Virgin means - it means that she was conceived without Original Sin, not that she, like Jesus, had a virginal conception. Thorpe's translation of the cited passage says:
"What shall we say of the birth-tide of Mary, save that she was begotten by father and by mother as other persons, and was born on the day that we call the eighth of September? Her father was named Joachim, and her mother Anna, pious persons according to the old law; but we will not write further concerning them, lest we fall into any error."
This clearly says nothing about whether or not she was born with original sin, but does state that she was conceived through sexual union. Therefore, I removed the statement. Steorra ( talk) 18:31, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The title used makes this article very difficult for other editors to wikify (link their pages into). Where do I find the Saxon AE on my keyboard? I don't have the time or the inclination to waste time working out how to do this, so I am forced to cut and paste the word from this site directly into my page requiring a link. That is absurd. I fully support precision in getting the facts right, but this should be within the article - the title serves a broader purpose, as a handle for picking up this article. Pedantry must feature strongly within all Wikipedia articles, hooray to that, but not surely in the titles where it interferes with practicality. I suggest a new title of "Aelfric" - what's wrong with that? The title of the article on Socrates is not spelled in classical Greek letters, so why does this have to be spelled in Quasi-Saxon? ( Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 09:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC))
Created with DNB text from a redlink here, just to get it linked in and disambiguated [i hope] Cygnis insignis ( talk) 01:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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