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On November, 22nd 2006, Zvonko Bogdan will perform at "Vatroslav Lisinski" Concert Hall in Zagreb, Croatia. It's part of his commemoration tour of 35 years of the "Ej, salasi na severu Backe" song. First two concerts were earlier this year in Belgrade and Novi Sad, Serbia. So if you want to hear him in this special occasion and missed first two concerts in Serbia, this is your last chance.
PismaFan 22:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Sombor (Zombor) in 1942 was in fact integral part of Hungary. I think if someone was born in Zagreb in 1942 we should put NDH. But also if someone was born in Zagreb in 1980 we should write Zagreb, Yugoslavia (present day Croatia). It is not about disputes on legitimacy but about factual accuracy. -- Koppany 03:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Using the word "reannexed" I tried to find a neutral expression acceptable for Serbs and Hungarians as well. No-one can disput that Zombor was part of Hungary before the imposed peace treaty of Trianon, thus it is just normal to say that in 1941 the town was reannexed to Hungary. And in 1945/47 it was reannexed to Yugoslavia since between 1918/20 and 1941 it was part of that state. I dont wanna edit from any biased point of view but from the point of view of the facts and I am trying to find those expressions that dont offend any nationality. It is a pity that you didnt get this. -- Koppany 12:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
"Reannexed" is also POV word used by the Axis. From the Serbian point of view, the pre-Trianon Kingdom of Hungary (called "Ugarska" in Serbian) and post-Trianon independent Hungary (called "Mađarska" in Serbian) are not same countries and therefore word "reannexed" is far from neutral. Also, as I explained it is completelly wrong that town was "in 1941 reannexed to Hungary and in 1945 reannexed to Yugoslavia" because it was legally part of Yugoslavia from 1941 to 1945 so it is not possible to be reannexed by it when it never legally ceased to be part of Yugoslavia. Hungarian WW2 occupation was never recognized by anybody and the only correct description of that time period is "illegal military and civil occupation of the Yugoslav territory". PANONIAN (talk) 16:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
This section... (looking for a politically correct word) sucks. It's a correction of trivia about semi-related stuff in total disproportion with the rest of the article. Heck, some of those things are so trivial that they wouldn't fit even if the rest of the article were comprehensive. Duja ► 21:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any problem with content. People go to the Wikepedia to find information. This things you can't find anywhere on the internet considering mr. Bogdan.
I think, that the fact that it's about Croatia is more of a problem to You than the the content itself. This kind of tone brings me back to the end of the Eighties, God rest their soul. Removing "j" from the word "sjever" just backs up this feeling.
PismaFan 23:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Are there sources that he considers himself a Croat? -- PaxEquilibrium 22:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Bogdan is not Croat, nor Serb. He is Bunjevac. Vanjagenije 21:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Zvonko Bogdan is a member of the ZAMP (Zaštita autorskih muzičkih prava/ Croatian Composer' Society, Collecting Society), so that membership makes him Croatian musician.
Here is his entry under Zvonimir Bogdan.
PismaFan 23:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Ehh? you can be a serb, montenegrenian or whatever you want and be an "Zvonimir". That's an south-slavic name not just croatian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.22.2 ( talk) 19:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Obviously he is not a Croat,he is a Bunjevac,Ustasha propganda is very strong here,many Croats post lies.
94.189.197.200 (
talk)
08:01, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
There is no proof he is a Bunjavac nor a Croat,so what I did was fine,I deleted an unreferences part of text.What is the problem?And of course not Bunjevac people are not Croats 17 000 people declared themselves as such,they are a regocnized minority end of story.Bunjevci can not be listed as a subgroup of Croatian people.The end
24.135.73.223 (
talk)
12:38, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
On November, 22nd 2006, Zvonko Bogdan will perform at "Vatroslav Lisinski" Concert Hall in Zagreb, Croatia. It's part of his commemoration tour of 35 years of the "Ej, salasi na severu Backe" song. First two concerts were earlier this year in Belgrade and Novi Sad, Serbia. So if you want to hear him in this special occasion and missed first two concerts in Serbia, this is your last chance.
PismaFan 22:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Sombor (Zombor) in 1942 was in fact integral part of Hungary. I think if someone was born in Zagreb in 1942 we should put NDH. But also if someone was born in Zagreb in 1980 we should write Zagreb, Yugoslavia (present day Croatia). It is not about disputes on legitimacy but about factual accuracy. -- Koppany 03:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Using the word "reannexed" I tried to find a neutral expression acceptable for Serbs and Hungarians as well. No-one can disput that Zombor was part of Hungary before the imposed peace treaty of Trianon, thus it is just normal to say that in 1941 the town was reannexed to Hungary. And in 1945/47 it was reannexed to Yugoslavia since between 1918/20 and 1941 it was part of that state. I dont wanna edit from any biased point of view but from the point of view of the facts and I am trying to find those expressions that dont offend any nationality. It is a pity that you didnt get this. -- Koppany 12:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
"Reannexed" is also POV word used by the Axis. From the Serbian point of view, the pre-Trianon Kingdom of Hungary (called "Ugarska" in Serbian) and post-Trianon independent Hungary (called "Mađarska" in Serbian) are not same countries and therefore word "reannexed" is far from neutral. Also, as I explained it is completelly wrong that town was "in 1941 reannexed to Hungary and in 1945 reannexed to Yugoslavia" because it was legally part of Yugoslavia from 1941 to 1945 so it is not possible to be reannexed by it when it never legally ceased to be part of Yugoslavia. Hungarian WW2 occupation was never recognized by anybody and the only correct description of that time period is "illegal military and civil occupation of the Yugoslav territory". PANONIAN (talk) 16:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
This section... (looking for a politically correct word) sucks. It's a correction of trivia about semi-related stuff in total disproportion with the rest of the article. Heck, some of those things are so trivial that they wouldn't fit even if the rest of the article were comprehensive. Duja ► 21:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any problem with content. People go to the Wikepedia to find information. This things you can't find anywhere on the internet considering mr. Bogdan.
I think, that the fact that it's about Croatia is more of a problem to You than the the content itself. This kind of tone brings me back to the end of the Eighties, God rest their soul. Removing "j" from the word "sjever" just backs up this feeling.
PismaFan 23:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Are there sources that he considers himself a Croat? -- PaxEquilibrium 22:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Bogdan is not Croat, nor Serb. He is Bunjevac. Vanjagenije 21:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Zvonko Bogdan is a member of the ZAMP (Zaštita autorskih muzičkih prava/ Croatian Composer' Society, Collecting Society), so that membership makes him Croatian musician.
Here is his entry under Zvonimir Bogdan.
PismaFan 23:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Ehh? you can be a serb, montenegrenian or whatever you want and be an "Zvonimir". That's an south-slavic name not just croatian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.22.2 ( talk) 19:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Obviously he is not a Croat,he is a Bunjevac,Ustasha propganda is very strong here,many Croats post lies.
94.189.197.200 (
talk)
08:01, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
There is no proof he is a Bunjavac nor a Croat,so what I did was fine,I deleted an unreferences part of text.What is the problem?And of course not Bunjevac people are not Croats 17 000 people declared themselves as such,they are a regocnized minority end of story.Bunjevci can not be listed as a subgroup of Croatian people.The end
24.135.73.223 (
talk)
12:38, 13 February 2013 (UTC)