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That whole section, why does it matter to me, the common reader? That section gives absolutely nothing to the article other than someone trying to find criticism. Those two sources, perhaps the Infoworld article, but not the SND article, are totally respectable. Either way, I think it's honestly a stupid section that could rather be expanded on criticism of the actual product, not an obscure reference to a similarity in a foreign language. Instead, it would be better to find criticism on how it doesn't attempt to bridge music networks or something. -- MPD01605 ( T / C) 02:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I went into a little detail regarding the Wi-Fi song sharing feature and the fact that it can not be used as an external Hard Drive. At this point, the DRM, lack of external hard drive usage and the Wi-Fi seem to be the only relevant criticisms regarding the player. I don't see how the licensing deal effects how the Zune operates. TheSniperZERO 16:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
HEY!!!: How is it possible to have a section called "Criticism",.. without a single citation of a "critic" ... criticizing the zune?!! I added one such citation, and now it's been deleted?? If you guys really fancy yourselves as the Wikicops,.. (you know who you are... check for cornflakes crumbs on you pajama's at 2:30pm)... how is this not a topic of hot debate?
here is the paragrah I speak of...
"System requirements (1.5GHZ processor, WinXP SP2 only, 64MB VRam) cannot be used without service paks or on Windows 2000. Software needs to connect to Zune market place during installation, does not play well with antivirus software. AntiSpyware programs are very problematic, zune installation can take multiple attempts before successful loading, system needs to be restarted after and occasionally during installation. Does not function properly on Vista Beta2, saying you must connect to MS update server for device drivers. Syncing software works with device, but is prone to crashing when device not recognised by windows plug and play. Test Systems: Desktop ( 2.93GHZ Core2Duo "conroe", 2048MB RAM, nVidia quadro FX 256MB graphics card, WindowsXP SP2/Vista Beta2 and Notebook (2.0GHZ Core2Duo "merom", 2048MB RAM, nVidia GoForce 128MB , Windows XP SP2)."
First of all this article sounds biased. I so far can not find the system requirements for the Zune, but doubt that it is, "1.5GHZ processor, WinXP SP2 only, 64MB VRam." As microsofts next OS Vista only needs a 800mrz processor, and most games still dont need more than 1.5ghrz. Many people disaprove of Microsft and this seams to read that way, reasons why I dont just delete it are one, it may be true, and two I am, persay, not the best person in the world at grammer. Just looking it over, and thinking of it as if all the facts were correct; it is full of gramatic and spelling erros. I will leave everyone else to decide what you wnat to do with it, because I am not knowlageable to know if it right or wrong my self.
Thnaks everyone!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedi ( talk • contribs)
Due to the recent vandalism, I think that this page deserves to be protected from the continuous of vandals. Samsoncity 15:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you guys realize it or not, but it is STILL extremely Biased.
Recent reviews from sites, like Engadget, indicate that the Zune does NOT, in fact, accept DivX/XviD or H.264 codecs and that the software transcodes video from whichever format you're using into WMV (@320x240). http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/15/zune-review/ Kakomu 22:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I added numerous requests for citations in the criticism sections. Who is making these criticisms? I removed one altogether that stated that even though the Zune has wireless capabilities, it cannot arbitrarily download music from hot-spots (a technological claim that doesn't even make sense). Criticisms should only be listed if they are accompanied by reputable citations. It seems as though an iPod fan has simply vented his frustrations in the Criticism section. I also removed a remark about the Zune not being compatible with Windows Vista even though Vista had been released to corporate customers prior to the Zune's release. This statement is undeniably false ( Vista: late November (i.e. not yet released) ; Zune: November 14).
The criticism regarding the WiFi and the talk about the lack of an external HD capability both been given citations. They shouldn't be viewed as 'vandalism from an iPod fan'. It might look that way when comparing the 2 brands. They appear to be solid criticisms. TheSniperZERO 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I went ahead and decided to substantiate everything, to satiate anyone concerned about iPod fanatics floating false information about. I also cleaned up some of the phrasing, and removed the NPOV and weasel tags, as everything in that section is now substantiated. Kevin 07:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've never commented before, so excuse me if I do this wrong--but I think there is a large imbalance of citations in the criticism section (citations 3-25 out of 29). For an informational article, less weight should be put on an informational article. The iPod article has citations 11-33 out of 73 that are criticisms; less than half of all citations are used for criticisms, and furthermore, there are only a few double citations for each point, while there are many points with 4 citations--overkill, in my opinion. WasAPasserBy 04:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The article is supposed to be informative, correct? Though the criticisms are valid, shouldn't there be some opinion for the Zune under a different section?Two articles at least under makeyougohmm.com are in favor of, and include valid arguments for the Zune. Some info can be drawn from these, and it could help the NPOV. Rochelle CMN 16:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree with having a criticism section; it is definitely needed for a topic like this. However having quadruple citations just seems to scream bias. WasAPasserBy 02:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
On further consideration, I'm removing:
Here's why. The context is a criticism of Zune for lacking an obvious feature that virtually all competitive MP3 players have.
The statement... originally made in a stronger form... says that it is possible, with a fairly simple Windows hack (a Registry edit) to make the Zune function as an external hard drive. As an aside, without being privy to Microsoft's internal decision making, we have no way of knowing whether this is what it seems to be. On the face of it, the publishers of the hack presume that everything is what it appears to be: make the Registry edit and your Zune will function reliably as an external drive. But there's no way of knowing whether everything is what it appears to be. Perhaps the Zune drive will wear out or fail or cause corruption of music files if used in this way. Perhaps some Zune drives have firmware revisions on which this works properly and others don't. But that's not the point.
The point is, in context, this hack is presented as an answer to a criticism. But it is not a valid answer. If product A, when installed and configured as specified by the manufacturer, without modification, cannot perform function B, it is irrelevant that someone knows a possible way to modify product A to enable it to do B.
If a car is criticized for taking 11.6 seconds to go from 0 to 60 mph, it is not an answer to say that you can make it go 0 to 60 in 9.2 seconds by rechipping the engine. If a Toyota Prius is criticized because it is not a "plug-in hybrid"--there is no way to charge the traction battery from house current--it is not an answer to say that numerous hobbyists have found ways to do so.
To say the Zune can be used as a hard drive because you can modify Windows to make it do this reminds me of the old joke:
"What's green, hangs on the wall, and whistles?"
"I give up."
"A red herring."
"But, it isn't green."
"So? You could paint it green."
"But it doesn't hang on the wall."
"What? There's a law says you can't hang it on the wall?"
"But it doesn't whistle."
"Nu, so it doesn't whistle."
Dpbsmith (talk) 19:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
So that means its faster then the PSP and iPod right? So we could be seeing games on it? -- Elven6 02:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
There's a few things I was wondering that the article hadn't really answered for me (or maybe I missed it) and was wondering if there were answers to. If there are, it'd be nice to add in! Particularly, I am wondering:
1) I thought I remember reading that you could stream music to other Zune users. I don't know if this has any relationship to the 3play/day thing (or if particular streams would also be restricted from DRM). This August article mentions the streaming capability though (apparently to a max of 4 other Zune users). I don't see this mentioned in the current Wiki... but things may have changed...
2) What is the proximity one has to be within for his/her Zune to sense another Zune?
3) I'm not too tech-savvy... but could updatable firmware mean that it may allow the Zune to eventually upgrade itself to allow wifi-with-computer, and changes to its 3play/day feature? (As opposed to buying a new Zune) Maybe this isn't answerable at this point, but would be cool to eventually find out anyway.
Thanks! -- Shadowolf 10:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It'd be great if a Wikipedian who has a Zune can photograph the device (preferably on a white background) and use it in place of the current promotional image. That way, we can avoid using the fair-use image, and just rely on one done in house. What do other people think? –- kungming· 2 (Talk) 04:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a rumor going around that Microsoft is taking the same stratagy with Zune as it did with Xbox- infiltrate the market, and then grab a larger share each generation. I'm not sure if this is a realistic position yet, but we should be on the look out for facts that could validate this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.39.132.78 ( talk • contribs) .
It's not a rumor; it's true, as reported by MSNBC : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15934322/page/2/ (7th paragraph down). Anyone think we should add this in somewhere? WasAPasserBy 03:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Anybody could comment to what happens to your purchased DRM music if your Zune dies? Is there a database that remembers what you owned and allow you to download the music again, freely, on a new Zune device, or must you repurchase your whole library?
Or can you backup your DRM music on a PC?
What about upgrades? If you purchase 3 years from now a new version of the Zune, how do you transfer your DRM music to the new device? Is this possible? -- Deragon 14:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have a Zune Pass (unlimited music) and I had the same questions, so I called Zune support and asked, what they said is: 1. If you lose the files, you can redownload a certain number of time if you bought them individually using restore library in account management. 2. If you have a zune pass, you can do the same thing - on up to 3 computers. Or you can transfer the files and back them up yourself 3. If you buy your music, you can use an unlimited number of Zunes 4. If you lease it, you can use two at a time - you can call them and they will disallow one if you want to add another. I also read in help that you can do it by just selecting "Do not Automatically Sync" on the Zune that you want to remove, but I don't know if that works.
Hope that helps. Arcaynn 17:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking the infobox would be a great place to mention which formats the Zune can play. This is a major deciding factor between the Zune and something like the iPod. - JustinWick 03:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
And why? PureLegend 20:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Although I consider the article in question, overall, quite crap, that does not mean it can be dismissed. The section it is in is one for criticism made by the industry and/or community - it doesn't have to be right, so long as we point that out, it just has to be encyclopaedic. The allegations are serious and from a notable enough source, and being so deserve a mention. -- Tom Edwards 19:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The official announcement was on September 14, but the name was in fact leaked/revealed on June 11. None of the sites I've seen looked up were registered before then. -- Tom Edwards 20:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
So with the Zune is it possible that you can (now or in the future) install different software for it (ala lunix on the ipod)? It seems like the hardware is pretty good and has some clever ideas, but the DRM just makes it unusable to me. -- Xercessthegreat 19:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
"->" is now displayed instead of the article. Somebody restore please. -- Andrex
I'm not sure the Costco comment--as it's written--is justified, considering the $239.99 has *always* been their price since the player's introduction (they ARE a warehouse store, after all, and MSFT apparently hasn't tried fixing the price of the Zune as they have previously with the Xbox/Xbox 360), and others, including Apple, Nintendo, Sony, etc., have with their various electronics.
Moreover, Costco also sells the 30GB 5.5G iPod for the same price. Monoblocks 18:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't you think Zune is a bit strange device? First, while it can connect to another Zune via WiFi, it has no text chat feature. Second, while it can share photos, it has no camera to make these photos on the go.
On further consideration, I'm removing:
Here's why. The context is a criticism of Zune for lacking an obvious feature that virtually all competitive MP3 players have.
The statement... originally made in a stronger form... says that it is possible, with a fairly simple Windows hack (a Registry edit) to make the Zune function as an external hard drive.
But, in context, this hack is presented as if it could be an answer to the criticism. But it is not a valid answer. If product A, when installed and configured as specified by the manufacturer, without modification, cannot perform function B, it is irrelevant that someone knows a possible way to modify product A to enable it to do B.
If a car is criticized for taking 11.6 seconds to go from 0 to 60 mph, it is not an answer to say that you can make it go 0 to 60 in 9.2 seconds by rechipping the engine. If a Toyota Prius is criticized because it is not a "plug-in hybrid"--there is no way to charge the traction battery from house current--it is not an answer to say that numerous hobbyists have found ways to do so.
To say the Zune can be used as a hard drive because you can modify Windows to make it do this reminds me of the old joke:
"What's green, hangs on the wall, and whistles?"
"I give up."
"A red herring."
"But, it isn't green."
"So? You could paint it green."
"But it doesn't hang on the wall."
"What? There's a law says you can't hang it on the wall?"
"But it doesn't whistle."
"Nu, so it doesn't whistle."
Dpbsmith (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a report of progress towards getting Linux on Zune: http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Linux_is_Workable_on_Zune/551-78180-615.html
I'm confused as to whether or not there's a way to play DVD's on the zune. I know there's a way to do it with the latest iPod, and I came here seeing if it said there was a way to do it on the Zune, but I'm kind of new to the whole MP3 player scene, so I can't seem to find the answer. So can you put DVD's on video files compatibale with the Zune and play them, and if so how?
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That whole section, why does it matter to me, the common reader? That section gives absolutely nothing to the article other than someone trying to find criticism. Those two sources, perhaps the Infoworld article, but not the SND article, are totally respectable. Either way, I think it's honestly a stupid section that could rather be expanded on criticism of the actual product, not an obscure reference to a similarity in a foreign language. Instead, it would be better to find criticism on how it doesn't attempt to bridge music networks or something. -- MPD01605 ( T / C) 02:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I went into a little detail regarding the Wi-Fi song sharing feature and the fact that it can not be used as an external Hard Drive. At this point, the DRM, lack of external hard drive usage and the Wi-Fi seem to be the only relevant criticisms regarding the player. I don't see how the licensing deal effects how the Zune operates. TheSniperZERO 16:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
HEY!!!: How is it possible to have a section called "Criticism",.. without a single citation of a "critic" ... criticizing the zune?!! I added one such citation, and now it's been deleted?? If you guys really fancy yourselves as the Wikicops,.. (you know who you are... check for cornflakes crumbs on you pajama's at 2:30pm)... how is this not a topic of hot debate?
here is the paragrah I speak of...
"System requirements (1.5GHZ processor, WinXP SP2 only, 64MB VRam) cannot be used without service paks or on Windows 2000. Software needs to connect to Zune market place during installation, does not play well with antivirus software. AntiSpyware programs are very problematic, zune installation can take multiple attempts before successful loading, system needs to be restarted after and occasionally during installation. Does not function properly on Vista Beta2, saying you must connect to MS update server for device drivers. Syncing software works with device, but is prone to crashing when device not recognised by windows plug and play. Test Systems: Desktop ( 2.93GHZ Core2Duo "conroe", 2048MB RAM, nVidia quadro FX 256MB graphics card, WindowsXP SP2/Vista Beta2 and Notebook (2.0GHZ Core2Duo "merom", 2048MB RAM, nVidia GoForce 128MB , Windows XP SP2)."
First of all this article sounds biased. I so far can not find the system requirements for the Zune, but doubt that it is, "1.5GHZ processor, WinXP SP2 only, 64MB VRam." As microsofts next OS Vista only needs a 800mrz processor, and most games still dont need more than 1.5ghrz. Many people disaprove of Microsft and this seams to read that way, reasons why I dont just delete it are one, it may be true, and two I am, persay, not the best person in the world at grammer. Just looking it over, and thinking of it as if all the facts were correct; it is full of gramatic and spelling erros. I will leave everyone else to decide what you wnat to do with it, because I am not knowlageable to know if it right or wrong my self.
Thnaks everyone!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedi ( talk • contribs)
Due to the recent vandalism, I think that this page deserves to be protected from the continuous of vandals. Samsoncity 15:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you guys realize it or not, but it is STILL extremely Biased.
Recent reviews from sites, like Engadget, indicate that the Zune does NOT, in fact, accept DivX/XviD or H.264 codecs and that the software transcodes video from whichever format you're using into WMV (@320x240). http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/15/zune-review/ Kakomu 22:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I added numerous requests for citations in the criticism sections. Who is making these criticisms? I removed one altogether that stated that even though the Zune has wireless capabilities, it cannot arbitrarily download music from hot-spots (a technological claim that doesn't even make sense). Criticisms should only be listed if they are accompanied by reputable citations. It seems as though an iPod fan has simply vented his frustrations in the Criticism section. I also removed a remark about the Zune not being compatible with Windows Vista even though Vista had been released to corporate customers prior to the Zune's release. This statement is undeniably false ( Vista: late November (i.e. not yet released) ; Zune: November 14).
The criticism regarding the WiFi and the talk about the lack of an external HD capability both been given citations. They shouldn't be viewed as 'vandalism from an iPod fan'. It might look that way when comparing the 2 brands. They appear to be solid criticisms. TheSniperZERO 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I went ahead and decided to substantiate everything, to satiate anyone concerned about iPod fanatics floating false information about. I also cleaned up some of the phrasing, and removed the NPOV and weasel tags, as everything in that section is now substantiated. Kevin 07:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've never commented before, so excuse me if I do this wrong--but I think there is a large imbalance of citations in the criticism section (citations 3-25 out of 29). For an informational article, less weight should be put on an informational article. The iPod article has citations 11-33 out of 73 that are criticisms; less than half of all citations are used for criticisms, and furthermore, there are only a few double citations for each point, while there are many points with 4 citations--overkill, in my opinion. WasAPasserBy 04:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The article is supposed to be informative, correct? Though the criticisms are valid, shouldn't there be some opinion for the Zune under a different section?Two articles at least under makeyougohmm.com are in favor of, and include valid arguments for the Zune. Some info can be drawn from these, and it could help the NPOV. Rochelle CMN 16:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree with having a criticism section; it is definitely needed for a topic like this. However having quadruple citations just seems to scream bias. WasAPasserBy 02:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
On further consideration, I'm removing:
Here's why. The context is a criticism of Zune for lacking an obvious feature that virtually all competitive MP3 players have.
The statement... originally made in a stronger form... says that it is possible, with a fairly simple Windows hack (a Registry edit) to make the Zune function as an external hard drive. As an aside, without being privy to Microsoft's internal decision making, we have no way of knowing whether this is what it seems to be. On the face of it, the publishers of the hack presume that everything is what it appears to be: make the Registry edit and your Zune will function reliably as an external drive. But there's no way of knowing whether everything is what it appears to be. Perhaps the Zune drive will wear out or fail or cause corruption of music files if used in this way. Perhaps some Zune drives have firmware revisions on which this works properly and others don't. But that's not the point.
The point is, in context, this hack is presented as an answer to a criticism. But it is not a valid answer. If product A, when installed and configured as specified by the manufacturer, without modification, cannot perform function B, it is irrelevant that someone knows a possible way to modify product A to enable it to do B.
If a car is criticized for taking 11.6 seconds to go from 0 to 60 mph, it is not an answer to say that you can make it go 0 to 60 in 9.2 seconds by rechipping the engine. If a Toyota Prius is criticized because it is not a "plug-in hybrid"--there is no way to charge the traction battery from house current--it is not an answer to say that numerous hobbyists have found ways to do so.
To say the Zune can be used as a hard drive because you can modify Windows to make it do this reminds me of the old joke:
"What's green, hangs on the wall, and whistles?"
"I give up."
"A red herring."
"But, it isn't green."
"So? You could paint it green."
"But it doesn't hang on the wall."
"What? There's a law says you can't hang it on the wall?"
"But it doesn't whistle."
"Nu, so it doesn't whistle."
Dpbsmith (talk) 19:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
So that means its faster then the PSP and iPod right? So we could be seeing games on it? -- Elven6 02:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
There's a few things I was wondering that the article hadn't really answered for me (or maybe I missed it) and was wondering if there were answers to. If there are, it'd be nice to add in! Particularly, I am wondering:
1) I thought I remember reading that you could stream music to other Zune users. I don't know if this has any relationship to the 3play/day thing (or if particular streams would also be restricted from DRM). This August article mentions the streaming capability though (apparently to a max of 4 other Zune users). I don't see this mentioned in the current Wiki... but things may have changed...
2) What is the proximity one has to be within for his/her Zune to sense another Zune?
3) I'm not too tech-savvy... but could updatable firmware mean that it may allow the Zune to eventually upgrade itself to allow wifi-with-computer, and changes to its 3play/day feature? (As opposed to buying a new Zune) Maybe this isn't answerable at this point, but would be cool to eventually find out anyway.
Thanks! -- Shadowolf 10:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It'd be great if a Wikipedian who has a Zune can photograph the device (preferably on a white background) and use it in place of the current promotional image. That way, we can avoid using the fair-use image, and just rely on one done in house. What do other people think? –- kungming· 2 (Talk) 04:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a rumor going around that Microsoft is taking the same stratagy with Zune as it did with Xbox- infiltrate the market, and then grab a larger share each generation. I'm not sure if this is a realistic position yet, but we should be on the look out for facts that could validate this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.39.132.78 ( talk • contribs) .
It's not a rumor; it's true, as reported by MSNBC : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15934322/page/2/ (7th paragraph down). Anyone think we should add this in somewhere? WasAPasserBy 03:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Anybody could comment to what happens to your purchased DRM music if your Zune dies? Is there a database that remembers what you owned and allow you to download the music again, freely, on a new Zune device, or must you repurchase your whole library?
Or can you backup your DRM music on a PC?
What about upgrades? If you purchase 3 years from now a new version of the Zune, how do you transfer your DRM music to the new device? Is this possible? -- Deragon 14:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have a Zune Pass (unlimited music) and I had the same questions, so I called Zune support and asked, what they said is: 1. If you lose the files, you can redownload a certain number of time if you bought them individually using restore library in account management. 2. If you have a zune pass, you can do the same thing - on up to 3 computers. Or you can transfer the files and back them up yourself 3. If you buy your music, you can use an unlimited number of Zunes 4. If you lease it, you can use two at a time - you can call them and they will disallow one if you want to add another. I also read in help that you can do it by just selecting "Do not Automatically Sync" on the Zune that you want to remove, but I don't know if that works.
Hope that helps. Arcaynn 17:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking the infobox would be a great place to mention which formats the Zune can play. This is a major deciding factor between the Zune and something like the iPod. - JustinWick 03:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
And why? PureLegend 20:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Although I consider the article in question, overall, quite crap, that does not mean it can be dismissed. The section it is in is one for criticism made by the industry and/or community - it doesn't have to be right, so long as we point that out, it just has to be encyclopaedic. The allegations are serious and from a notable enough source, and being so deserve a mention. -- Tom Edwards 19:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The official announcement was on September 14, but the name was in fact leaked/revealed on June 11. None of the sites I've seen looked up were registered before then. -- Tom Edwards 20:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
So with the Zune is it possible that you can (now or in the future) install different software for it (ala lunix on the ipod)? It seems like the hardware is pretty good and has some clever ideas, but the DRM just makes it unusable to me. -- Xercessthegreat 19:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
"->" is now displayed instead of the article. Somebody restore please. -- Andrex
I'm not sure the Costco comment--as it's written--is justified, considering the $239.99 has *always* been their price since the player's introduction (they ARE a warehouse store, after all, and MSFT apparently hasn't tried fixing the price of the Zune as they have previously with the Xbox/Xbox 360), and others, including Apple, Nintendo, Sony, etc., have with their various electronics.
Moreover, Costco also sells the 30GB 5.5G iPod for the same price. Monoblocks 18:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't you think Zune is a bit strange device? First, while it can connect to another Zune via WiFi, it has no text chat feature. Second, while it can share photos, it has no camera to make these photos on the go.
On further consideration, I'm removing:
Here's why. The context is a criticism of Zune for lacking an obvious feature that virtually all competitive MP3 players have.
The statement... originally made in a stronger form... says that it is possible, with a fairly simple Windows hack (a Registry edit) to make the Zune function as an external hard drive.
But, in context, this hack is presented as if it could be an answer to the criticism. But it is not a valid answer. If product A, when installed and configured as specified by the manufacturer, without modification, cannot perform function B, it is irrelevant that someone knows a possible way to modify product A to enable it to do B.
If a car is criticized for taking 11.6 seconds to go from 0 to 60 mph, it is not an answer to say that you can make it go 0 to 60 in 9.2 seconds by rechipping the engine. If a Toyota Prius is criticized because it is not a "plug-in hybrid"--there is no way to charge the traction battery from house current--it is not an answer to say that numerous hobbyists have found ways to do so.
To say the Zune can be used as a hard drive because you can modify Windows to make it do this reminds me of the old joke:
"What's green, hangs on the wall, and whistles?"
"I give up."
"A red herring."
"But, it isn't green."
"So? You could paint it green."
"But it doesn't hang on the wall."
"What? There's a law says you can't hang it on the wall?"
"But it doesn't whistle."
"Nu, so it doesn't whistle."
Dpbsmith (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a report of progress towards getting Linux on Zune: http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Linux_is_Workable_on_Zune/551-78180-615.html
I'm confused as to whether or not there's a way to play DVD's on the zune. I know there's a way to do it with the latest iPod, and I came here seeing if it said there was a way to do it on the Zune, but I'm kind of new to the whole MP3 player scene, so I can't seem to find the answer. So can you put DVD's on video files compatibale with the Zune and play them, and if so how?