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Now that all articles have been sorted in regards to actually getting to the pages (What a mess, it was), we can start focusing on normal Wikipedia concerns. Are there any suggestions for the name of this Microsoft Zune article? I do not think it should be left alone, because it's not technically called "Microsoft Zune", Microsoft is only running the project. I think it should be either "Zune (Media device)" or "Zune (Media product)". Bear in mind that Zune is all three things: a player (like iPod), a service (like iTunes Music Store) and the software (like iTunes). -- Mambo Jambo 10:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I read an interesting tidbit that the Zune will use a 400Mhz processor. Although I marked it as "Citation needed", it's gone now! Wouldn't this be good to mark under rumors, because does a rumor need to be cited? PureLegend 17:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
And please do not vandalize the talk page comments of other users. Whats that suposed to mean. -- Jimmy93211 09:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I was of the belief this player would be made in a partnership with iRiver, am I wrong? Are they just going to licence the tech to iRiver? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.194.13.101 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 23 July 2006
The announcement today that Toshiba is manufacturing the Zune player should lay this one to rest. psycler 20:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
This site should be removed, it is a fake and been talked about all over net. Microsoft has nothing to do with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Coops8D ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Well If you look at the terms of service on the site (comingzune.com) it states that this is a site that is owned and operated by Microsoft - so what's wrong with it? The COPYRIGHT NOTICE says "Copyright � 2006 Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, Washington 98052-6399 U.S.A. All rights reserved." and the Provacy Policy states - "Microsoft is committed to protecting your privacy..." So is it like someone is just pasting stuff from Microsoft's Privacy Policy? -- Amjoe 00:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Zune Insider, which is pretty definitely official, links to it in one of their first posts. They don't say whether it's official or not, but I think if it wasn't official, they would have said so specifically. Tophtucker 00:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hows is it official? cause he said I work for Microsoft? So if i say I work for google is that official as well? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Coops8D ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
What should be in (IMHO) as an interesting bit of trivia is that "zune" apparently sounds like Hebrew for "fuck" or "screw". It's bound to have an impact on marketing and on the introduction campaigns these days, though they won't rename the product since MS is essentially setting up everything for release. For sourcing, just try Google or whatever searching for zune and hebrew. Dysmorodrepanis 17:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I am french-canadian and I never heard of a so-called zune word meaning penis, there's zizi and dine but zune? nope. Lotheric 01:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Is it? PureLegend 15:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Will Zune offer 60GB or possibly more models? 24.200.123.174 21:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
SHould add info from this http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/top/exclusive-microsoft-zune-details-194957.php
thanks
I moved the article to Toshiba 1089, and I realized after the move that I should've just left it alone and started a new article on the device, and leave the "Zune" article to talk about the project on a whole. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CanesOL79 ( talk • contribs) 17:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
If we're leaving my bads then my apologies for leaving my addition regarding the User Generate Content Sales so much like an advert. I guess I should have proofread it better and from a more objective viewpoint. My bad for getting a little too excited about the feature and not on focusing more on the development of a neutral Wiki. I'll be much more careful in future additions. psycler 20:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
"The Zune is currently under production at the Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington."
Uhhh, considering the device is being built by Toshiba, I find this statement to be very difficult to believe. Yes, I am aware that the MS blogger made this claim, but I think it's basically untrue. Yes/no? Maury 20:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Anybody have a clue on how this is pronounced? I mean, since Microsofts marketing dept. have ran Coming Zune, I suppose it would be pronounced like "Soon" but with a Z sound instead. Anyone else?( Cloud02 17:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
Will the Zune support USB host as the Gigabeat does?
Move article to plain Zune. Overwhelming majory of readers will be looking for the music player, once it's released by a factor of millions to one I'd guess. GUI toolkit can be disambiged at top of Zune page without harm to anyone. It is of very limited interest compared to the music player. This has been a matter of contention since July at least. Fourdee 03:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
The USPTO entry for Zune has this to say about the current state of the application: "Current Status: A non-final action has been mailed. This is a letter from the examining attorney requesting additional information and/or making an initial refusal. However, no final determination as to the registrability of the mark has been made."
Given that there exists such a thing as Common Law trade mark, and given that AROS' Zune is entitled to it, and given that Microsoft hasn't yet been granted the trade mark for Zune, any objection to the use of the Zune name for the GUI toolkit based upon the trade mark argument is flawed from the beginning. -- Bafio 20:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Has anybody noticed the amount of vandalism going on here by mac fanboys?-- Darkskedar 20:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Reverted to previous version cuz of vandalism, somebody post this Overview
Microsoft has finally introduced zune, which is expected to be the leading competitor with trojan condoms this holiday season. Zune, will have lubrication included. ENJOY! -- 200.119.40.58 14:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
What's with "Fail" instead of Zune? Revert please? Maybe the could do with protection. The vandal obviously wanted to make a point, and spent a good amount of time on it, even if it is just ctrl+f. 24.108.206.103 07:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Since the author of the source listed for this criticism later retracted his claim I am removing this comment from the article. 24.17.165.124 02:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, in the same section:
"This however may be merged and existing users of PlaysForSure will be given vouchers to use in the Zune store."
This sentence is unclear--and unsubstantiated as far as I can tell--and ought to be reworked or removed. Suggestions? 24.17.165.124 02:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I think Zunes Suck, there but there should not be vandalism.--Alex 04:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Digital Rights Management will definately not hold for long at all. I am buying one when this comes out, I hope I will be able to use music from my cd's etc without stupid anti-piracy protection. Anyways, even if the drm does stop you from using p2p music, it will be cracked/homebrewed fast. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.49.202.50 ( talk) 22:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC).
So does anyone think there might be a connection with Sirus, or is this picture just edited?
http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/3f/a6/70_1.JPG
So I live in South-Africa. Now what? All these services are nice and whatsoever, but hey, what about all these nice foreign countrys doesn't get a single service. All we have is a random website with a 20 kB/s download speed with a database of aprox. 100 000 songs. Now iPod users, like me, (and future Zone users) must go and buy a CD, then rip it and then you are able to play it.
Whether it is South-Africa or Apple or Microsoft, it really SUCKS to not have a service like that... -"a Random MP3 lovin' South-African" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.232.75.208 ( talk • contribs) .
First a question: is there an article out there on the permissions Microsoft had to get for this content?
And secondly (and unofficially): hasn't Microsoft gotten in hot water for pre-loaded content on PC's? (Yeah, it was software, but it still makes me smile). Scoutersig 14:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
For the record, the "3-Day, 3-Play" rule applies to ALL wirelessly-shared music files, whether or not they are wrapped in DRM protection. The limitation is built into the software of the device itself, and doesn't physically (or digitally) change anything in the music files. There has been a lot of confusion on this issue, because some critics claim Microsoft is adding DRM to files, while Microsoft has defended itself by (truthfully) claiming that the music files remain intact and unaltered. But the end result is the same: DRM-free music is still subject to the "3-Day, 3-Play" rule. BJ Nemeth 01:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I am pretty sure you are incorrect and that mp3's will remain unprotected. You are right that Microsoft has done an astonishingly poor job of clarifying this issue. I will try to find the citation.
There's been a lot of hype around the fact that Zunes can share songs via WiFi. But here's something I don't get. How do they do it? I thought, with WiFi, you couldn't do anything without a wireless network of some sort, administered by a wireless router/switch. IOW, if I have a Zune and I want to share a song with someone but we're not near a wireless network to go through, I couldn't do it. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that you can't do direct device-to-device connections via WiFi—only something proprietary or Bluetooth. 205.157.110.11 21:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
In the specs area, a reference to the DefectiveByDesign.org campaign was there ("Enhanced Defective by Design") so I have changed it to the more correct "Support for DRM".
Timothyrogers 18:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
When the Zune is officially released on Tuesday, November 14th, this article will quickly go through a lot of changes. I thought it might be helpful to prepare a list of suggestions in advance.
Those are my thoughts on this article as we approach the release date. Any other comments? BJ Nemeth 04:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
Now that all articles have been sorted in regards to actually getting to the pages (What a mess, it was), we can start focusing on normal Wikipedia concerns. Are there any suggestions for the name of this Microsoft Zune article? I do not think it should be left alone, because it's not technically called "Microsoft Zune", Microsoft is only running the project. I think it should be either "Zune (Media device)" or "Zune (Media product)". Bear in mind that Zune is all three things: a player (like iPod), a service (like iTunes Music Store) and the software (like iTunes). -- Mambo Jambo 10:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I read an interesting tidbit that the Zune will use a 400Mhz processor. Although I marked it as "Citation needed", it's gone now! Wouldn't this be good to mark under rumors, because does a rumor need to be cited? PureLegend 17:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
And please do not vandalize the talk page comments of other users. Whats that suposed to mean. -- Jimmy93211 09:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I was of the belief this player would be made in a partnership with iRiver, am I wrong? Are they just going to licence the tech to iRiver? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.194.13.101 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 23 July 2006
The announcement today that Toshiba is manufacturing the Zune player should lay this one to rest. psycler 20:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
This site should be removed, it is a fake and been talked about all over net. Microsoft has nothing to do with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Coops8D ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Well If you look at the terms of service on the site (comingzune.com) it states that this is a site that is owned and operated by Microsoft - so what's wrong with it? The COPYRIGHT NOTICE says "Copyright � 2006 Microsoft Corporation, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, Washington 98052-6399 U.S.A. All rights reserved." and the Provacy Policy states - "Microsoft is committed to protecting your privacy..." So is it like someone is just pasting stuff from Microsoft's Privacy Policy? -- Amjoe 00:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Zune Insider, which is pretty definitely official, links to it in one of their first posts. They don't say whether it's official or not, but I think if it wasn't official, they would have said so specifically. Tophtucker 00:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hows is it official? cause he said I work for Microsoft? So if i say I work for google is that official as well? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Coops8D ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
What should be in (IMHO) as an interesting bit of trivia is that "zune" apparently sounds like Hebrew for "fuck" or "screw". It's bound to have an impact on marketing and on the introduction campaigns these days, though they won't rename the product since MS is essentially setting up everything for release. For sourcing, just try Google or whatever searching for zune and hebrew. Dysmorodrepanis 17:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I am french-canadian and I never heard of a so-called zune word meaning penis, there's zizi and dine but zune? nope. Lotheric 01:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Is it? PureLegend 15:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Will Zune offer 60GB or possibly more models? 24.200.123.174 21:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
SHould add info from this http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/top/exclusive-microsoft-zune-details-194957.php
thanks
I moved the article to Toshiba 1089, and I realized after the move that I should've just left it alone and started a new article on the device, and leave the "Zune" article to talk about the project on a whole. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CanesOL79 ( talk • contribs) 17:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
If we're leaving my bads then my apologies for leaving my addition regarding the User Generate Content Sales so much like an advert. I guess I should have proofread it better and from a more objective viewpoint. My bad for getting a little too excited about the feature and not on focusing more on the development of a neutral Wiki. I'll be much more careful in future additions. psycler 20:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
"The Zune is currently under production at the Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington."
Uhhh, considering the device is being built by Toshiba, I find this statement to be very difficult to believe. Yes, I am aware that the MS blogger made this claim, but I think it's basically untrue. Yes/no? Maury 20:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Anybody have a clue on how this is pronounced? I mean, since Microsofts marketing dept. have ran Coming Zune, I suppose it would be pronounced like "Soon" but with a Z sound instead. Anyone else?( Cloud02 17:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
Will the Zune support USB host as the Gigabeat does?
Move article to plain Zune. Overwhelming majory of readers will be looking for the music player, once it's released by a factor of millions to one I'd guess. GUI toolkit can be disambiged at top of Zune page without harm to anyone. It is of very limited interest compared to the music player. This has been a matter of contention since July at least. Fourdee 03:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
The USPTO entry for Zune has this to say about the current state of the application: "Current Status: A non-final action has been mailed. This is a letter from the examining attorney requesting additional information and/or making an initial refusal. However, no final determination as to the registrability of the mark has been made."
Given that there exists such a thing as Common Law trade mark, and given that AROS' Zune is entitled to it, and given that Microsoft hasn't yet been granted the trade mark for Zune, any objection to the use of the Zune name for the GUI toolkit based upon the trade mark argument is flawed from the beginning. -- Bafio 20:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Has anybody noticed the amount of vandalism going on here by mac fanboys?-- Darkskedar 20:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Reverted to previous version cuz of vandalism, somebody post this Overview
Microsoft has finally introduced zune, which is expected to be the leading competitor with trojan condoms this holiday season. Zune, will have lubrication included. ENJOY! -- 200.119.40.58 14:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
What's with "Fail" instead of Zune? Revert please? Maybe the could do with protection. The vandal obviously wanted to make a point, and spent a good amount of time on it, even if it is just ctrl+f. 24.108.206.103 07:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Since the author of the source listed for this criticism later retracted his claim I am removing this comment from the article. 24.17.165.124 02:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, in the same section:
"This however may be merged and existing users of PlaysForSure will be given vouchers to use in the Zune store."
This sentence is unclear--and unsubstantiated as far as I can tell--and ought to be reworked or removed. Suggestions? 24.17.165.124 02:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I think Zunes Suck, there but there should not be vandalism.--Alex 04:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Digital Rights Management will definately not hold for long at all. I am buying one when this comes out, I hope I will be able to use music from my cd's etc without stupid anti-piracy protection. Anyways, even if the drm does stop you from using p2p music, it will be cracked/homebrewed fast. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.49.202.50 ( talk) 22:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC).
So does anyone think there might be a connection with Sirus, or is this picture just edited?
http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/3f/a6/70_1.JPG
So I live in South-Africa. Now what? All these services are nice and whatsoever, but hey, what about all these nice foreign countrys doesn't get a single service. All we have is a random website with a 20 kB/s download speed with a database of aprox. 100 000 songs. Now iPod users, like me, (and future Zone users) must go and buy a CD, then rip it and then you are able to play it.
Whether it is South-Africa or Apple or Microsoft, it really SUCKS to not have a service like that... -"a Random MP3 lovin' South-African" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.232.75.208 ( talk • contribs) .
First a question: is there an article out there on the permissions Microsoft had to get for this content?
And secondly (and unofficially): hasn't Microsoft gotten in hot water for pre-loaded content on PC's? (Yeah, it was software, but it still makes me smile). Scoutersig 14:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
For the record, the "3-Day, 3-Play" rule applies to ALL wirelessly-shared music files, whether or not they are wrapped in DRM protection. The limitation is built into the software of the device itself, and doesn't physically (or digitally) change anything in the music files. There has been a lot of confusion on this issue, because some critics claim Microsoft is adding DRM to files, while Microsoft has defended itself by (truthfully) claiming that the music files remain intact and unaltered. But the end result is the same: DRM-free music is still subject to the "3-Day, 3-Play" rule. BJ Nemeth 01:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I am pretty sure you are incorrect and that mp3's will remain unprotected. You are right that Microsoft has done an astonishingly poor job of clarifying this issue. I will try to find the citation.
There's been a lot of hype around the fact that Zunes can share songs via WiFi. But here's something I don't get. How do they do it? I thought, with WiFi, you couldn't do anything without a wireless network of some sort, administered by a wireless router/switch. IOW, if I have a Zune and I want to share a song with someone but we're not near a wireless network to go through, I couldn't do it. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that you can't do direct device-to-device connections via WiFi—only something proprietary or Bluetooth. 205.157.110.11 21:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
In the specs area, a reference to the DefectiveByDesign.org campaign was there ("Enhanced Defective by Design") so I have changed it to the more correct "Support for DRM".
Timothyrogers 18:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
When the Zune is officially released on Tuesday, November 14th, this article will quickly go through a lot of changes. I thought it might be helpful to prepare a list of suggestions in advance.
Those are my thoughts on this article as we approach the release date. Any other comments? BJ Nemeth 04:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)