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But It isn't part of Sumerian-Assyrian Mithology. Maybe it needs a reserved page, alone, or a space in Iceland Politics. For sure, not between acient Sumerian-Assyrian gods. --
Skyfall (
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17:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
My understanding is that Zuism, as a religion, is associated with
Zu (mythology); and it is stated to be a Sumerian religion. It does have a section in
Religion in Iceland#Zuism and protest against tax for religion, and could be redirected there if thought appropriate (in fact I had initially pointed it there). Legally and formally Zuism is a religion with 3100 members in Iceland; I don't disagree that it's in practice a protest. I think enough people will see references to Zuism and look it up in Wikipedia (where I started) that the redirect shouldn't simple be deleted. I doubt that we'll collect other opinions; who looks at the Talk page for a redirect?!
Pol098 (
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19:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
My understanding is that Zuism has no cult, no beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, no morality, no ethics, and it isn't in the Assyrian area. --
Skyfall (
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20:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
You're probably right. The best thing is probably to change it, as above; it's not worth the effort of discussing it. I'll change it (but let me know if you think the other redirect isn't justified either). Also, do you think the mention of Icelandic "Zuism" on the
Anzû (mythology)#Zuism in Iceland as tax protest page should be changed? I think some mention is probably justified, but maybe not as it is now. Best wishes,
Pol098 (
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22:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
I think that Zuism worths a mention in the Anzû article in "See Also" paragraph, or in a "Curiosity" paragraph, or any paragraph completely separate from the rest of the article (Excuse my English, it isn't my mother tongue), in order to underline that Zuism is a completely different thing (despite the Icelandic claims, it isn't ontologically and substantially a Religion, It's like make an article in Wikipedia to a rockstar only he said "I'm God"). A better mention should be:
*[[Religion in Iceland#Zuism and protest against tax for religion|Zuism]], An Icelander protest against tax for religion
or something similar. Zuism it isn't completely suitable also in
Religion in Iceland article, but at least it talks about Icelander "beliefs" and contemporaneous religions, and in fact Zuims is concerning Icelander and contemporaneous "beliefs". Instead the Anzû article talks about Assyrian and ancient beliefs. --
Skyfall (
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11:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC)reply
It appears there are two rival movements of Zuism. One, which website is zuist.org, is the original one founded by the Augustsson brothers, the other one (zuistar.is) is the movement led by Ísak Andri Ólafsson which was registered by the government and co-opted as the tax protest. I think the article shouldn't give prominence to one or the latter as it currently does, after the latest edits.--
93.148.40.73 (
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16:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Why is none of this discussed in the article? Most top hits on Google for Zuism are interviews with members of Olafsson's group, in which they state it is a satirical religion they founded as a political statement and to protest the tax laws. The fact that this article mentions none of that seems odd and invites speculation that the article is part of the joke.
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23:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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But It isn't part of Sumerian-Assyrian Mithology. Maybe it needs a reserved page, alone, or a space in Iceland Politics. For sure, not between acient Sumerian-Assyrian gods. --
Skyfall (
talk)
17:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
My understanding is that Zuism, as a religion, is associated with
Zu (mythology); and it is stated to be a Sumerian religion. It does have a section in
Religion in Iceland#Zuism and protest against tax for religion, and could be redirected there if thought appropriate (in fact I had initially pointed it there). Legally and formally Zuism is a religion with 3100 members in Iceland; I don't disagree that it's in practice a protest. I think enough people will see references to Zuism and look it up in Wikipedia (where I started) that the redirect shouldn't simple be deleted. I doubt that we'll collect other opinions; who looks at the Talk page for a redirect?!
Pol098 (
talk)
19:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
My understanding is that Zuism has no cult, no beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, no morality, no ethics, and it isn't in the Assyrian area. --
Skyfall (
talk)
20:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
You're probably right. The best thing is probably to change it, as above; it's not worth the effort of discussing it. I'll change it (but let me know if you think the other redirect isn't justified either). Also, do you think the mention of Icelandic "Zuism" on the
Anzû (mythology)#Zuism in Iceland as tax protest page should be changed? I think some mention is probably justified, but maybe not as it is now. Best wishes,
Pol098 (
talk)
22:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)reply
I think that Zuism worths a mention in the Anzû article in "See Also" paragraph, or in a "Curiosity" paragraph, or any paragraph completely separate from the rest of the article (Excuse my English, it isn't my mother tongue), in order to underline that Zuism is a completely different thing (despite the Icelandic claims, it isn't ontologically and substantially a Religion, It's like make an article in Wikipedia to a rockstar only he said "I'm God"). A better mention should be:
*[[Religion in Iceland#Zuism and protest against tax for religion|Zuism]], An Icelander protest against tax for religion
or something similar. Zuism it isn't completely suitable also in
Religion in Iceland article, but at least it talks about Icelander "beliefs" and contemporaneous religions, and in fact Zuims is concerning Icelander and contemporaneous "beliefs". Instead the Anzû article talks about Assyrian and ancient beliefs. --
Skyfall (
talk)
11:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC)reply
It appears there are two rival movements of Zuism. One, which website is zuist.org, is the original one founded by the Augustsson brothers, the other one (zuistar.is) is the movement led by Ísak Andri Ólafsson which was registered by the government and co-opted as the tax protest. I think the article shouldn't give prominence to one or the latter as it currently does, after the latest edits.--
93.148.40.73 (
talk)
16:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Why is none of this discussed in the article? Most top hits on Google for Zuism are interviews with members of Olafsson's group, in which they state it is a satirical religion they founded as a political statement and to protest the tax laws. The fact that this article mentions none of that seems odd and invites speculation that the article is part of the joke.
71.53.132.217 (
talk)
23:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)reply