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Research about this topic unanimously agree that zoophilia and bestiality are different things, yet this article is clumsily trying to talk about the both of them at the same time (sometimes confusing people who engage bestiality with zoophiles, despite research saying that these are different groups of people). Bestiality is redirecting to here right now, if anyone wants to write an article there, I recommend that you use these sources right here (doi).
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The article states in the "Legal status" section that Germany supposedly banned all human-animal sexual intercouse in 2013 which is incorrect. Presently, such sexual acts are not illegal unless the animal is being forced.
Germany's court of constitution (Bundeverfassungsgericht) clarified the interpretation in their verdict against a challenge of said law in 2015 ( https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2016/bvg16-011.html). The court specifically commented that the law has a condition to it. As long as the animal is not "forced" the law is not being broken. According to the court "forcing" an animal is only possible with "physical violence" and actions that are "comparable to the use of physical violence".
Unfortunately, many sources quote both the original law from 2013 as well as the verdict from 2015 incorrectly or at least incompletely (Sources 72 to 75 on the article), adding to the confusion.
It would be advisable to correct the article by replacing the two paragraphs "Many laws banning sex with non-human animals..." and "Germany legalized bestiality..." with the following:
Many laws banning sex with non-human animals have been made recently, such as in New Hampshire, [1] Ohio, [2] Sweden, [3] Iceland, [4] Denmark, [5] Thailand, [6] Costa Rica, [7] Bolivia, [8] and Guatemala. [9] The number of jurisdictions around the world banning it has grown in the 2000s and 2010s.
Germany legalized bestiality in 1969, and banned forced acts of bestiality in 2013. [a] [11] The 2013 law was unsuccessfully challenged before the Federal Constitutional Court in 2015. [12] However, the court's verdict emphasizes that the law in question only applies on the condition of "forcing" an animal to "behavior contrary to its kind" where "forcing" entails either the use of "physical violence" or "actions that are comparable to the use of physical violence". In conclusion, German law allows non-forced acts of human-animal sexual intercourse to some extent. In spite of that, the current legal situation and the 2015 verdict are often misrepresented in media as a total ban of bestiality in Germany. [13] [14] [15] [16] Fijexaw931 ( talk) 21:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source. The only thing that can really be 'verified' in such terms, as I see it, is that the court ruled the law constitutional. Which is all they were asked to rule on. 'Verification' that requires extracting implications from a primary-source text that doesn't say something directly simply isn't permissible under Wikipedia policy. If that is what the ruling implies, find a secondary source that says so unambiguously. As of now, we cite multiple secondary sources suggesting the contrary. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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Most bestiality offenders are white people. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Bestiality-related-arrests-in-the-United-States-1975-2015_fig4_325497782 103.167.234.31 ( talk) 01:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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Research about this topic unanimously agree that zoophilia and bestiality are different things, yet this article is clumsily trying to talk about the both of them at the same time (sometimes confusing people who engage bestiality with zoophiles, despite research saying that these are different groups of people). Bestiality is redirecting to here right now, if anyone wants to write an article there, I recommend that you use these sources right here (doi).
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The article states in the "Legal status" section that Germany supposedly banned all human-animal sexual intercouse in 2013 which is incorrect. Presently, such sexual acts are not illegal unless the animal is being forced.
Germany's court of constitution (Bundeverfassungsgericht) clarified the interpretation in their verdict against a challenge of said law in 2015 ( https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2016/bvg16-011.html). The court specifically commented that the law has a condition to it. As long as the animal is not "forced" the law is not being broken. According to the court "forcing" an animal is only possible with "physical violence" and actions that are "comparable to the use of physical violence".
Unfortunately, many sources quote both the original law from 2013 as well as the verdict from 2015 incorrectly or at least incompletely (Sources 72 to 75 on the article), adding to the confusion.
It would be advisable to correct the article by replacing the two paragraphs "Many laws banning sex with non-human animals..." and "Germany legalized bestiality..." with the following:
Many laws banning sex with non-human animals have been made recently, such as in New Hampshire, [1] Ohio, [2] Sweden, [3] Iceland, [4] Denmark, [5] Thailand, [6] Costa Rica, [7] Bolivia, [8] and Guatemala. [9] The number of jurisdictions around the world banning it has grown in the 2000s and 2010s.
Germany legalized bestiality in 1969, and banned forced acts of bestiality in 2013. [a] [11] The 2013 law was unsuccessfully challenged before the Federal Constitutional Court in 2015. [12] However, the court's verdict emphasizes that the law in question only applies on the condition of "forcing" an animal to "behavior contrary to its kind" where "forcing" entails either the use of "physical violence" or "actions that are comparable to the use of physical violence". In conclusion, German law allows non-forced acts of human-animal sexual intercourse to some extent. In spite of that, the current legal situation and the 2015 verdict are often misrepresented in media as a total ban of bestiality in Germany. [13] [14] [15] [16] Fijexaw931 ( talk) 21:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source. The only thing that can really be 'verified' in such terms, as I see it, is that the court ruled the law constitutional. Which is all they were asked to rule on. 'Verification' that requires extracting implications from a primary-source text that doesn't say something directly simply isn't permissible under Wikipedia policy. If that is what the ruling implies, find a secondary source that says so unambiguously. As of now, we cite multiple secondary sources suggesting the contrary. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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Most bestiality offenders are white people. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Bestiality-related-arrests-in-the-United-States-1975-2015_fig4_325497782 103.167.234.31 ( talk) 01:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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