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This article needs some references! The intro seems like it was copied or paraphrased from something I've read before. I remember this 4/5 page, 4000? word commentary on the tour on a special edition of Mojo a few years ago. -- Madchester 21:18, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
A lot of the statistics comes from issues of Propaganda Magazine and also the back of the Zoo TV video, but the text itself is written entirely by me apart from a few bits I took from the original Zoo TV section on the Achtung Baby wiki. ---- User:AndrewT 16:49, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
There should be some mention bout the merchandise at the shows... from your standard tees and hat, to the Zoo stamps, Zoo labels for beer cans, and Zoo Ecy funny money. They needed to sell A LOT of merchandise like in Ireland.... cuz the shows needed to reach 85% capacity before making a profit. -- Madchester 14:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Should concert tour names be in italics? Quotes? Or just be a plain proper noun? Existing usage in the U2 articles is inconsistent. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) doesn't list them for either italics or quotes. I think plain proper noun is best, because a concert tour is an event (think World Cup or Super Bowl or World War II, which don't get italicized or quoted). Also, doing it this way helps visually distinguish the name from other contexts, e.g. The Elevation Tour is different from the song "Elevation" and The Joshua Tree Tour is different from the album The Joshua Tree. So I plan to change the tour name usages to plain proper nouns here and in the other U2 articles unless I hear strong objections. Wasted Time R 12:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Just as a postscript, the "regular proper noun" approach to concert tour names is now used throughout Wikipedia. Wasted Time R 15:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
In think you should add more information. When its says the following. "The shows opened with a seven minute piece created by Emergency Broadcast Network, which wove looped images from Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will with various war and news imagery sources." It has to be noted that this was only on the Zooropa and Zoomerang parts of the tour. During Zoo TV and Zoo TV Outside Broadcast it was the Television Drug of the Nation by Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy. With visual of George Bush singing "We will (bomb) you" interspeded with Sadamm Hussein, bombs and grabs form CNN footage.
I don't have very good grammar but if someone could add this info it will enhance the article. -- mako@porpoiserecords.com 21:18, May 11, 2006 (UTC)
Hey “wasted time”. Yeah, some fine work there on the ZooTV article – it was my favourite U2 period (I think!). I’m even in the Sydney video. You will notice I went back and did some more editing since your last (see the article history for my specific reasoning). Some of your recent changes I kept, others I changed and others, sorry, I disagree with. But, hope we can keep up a collaborative and communicative approach in the best of wiki tradition. Two general comments: we should be careful about our style. I.e., this is meant to be an encyclopedia for factual information, rather than a fan-site for promotion of the band. We both obviously love U2 – it’s why we are both here on this page - but that can’t excuse us getting sloppy with our language. Second point is – I think it is best to not waste words. Try and get the point across with as little words as possible. This is Edge’s philosophy when writing songs – although he uses notes, not words. I.e., I Will Follow, and WOWY are very minimalist. Cheers – drop me a line any time. -- Merbabu 23:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have the officially approved book 'U2 Show' by Dianna Scrimgeour and it keeps referring to the tour as 'ZooTV', without the space. Should Wikipedia reflect this? Stuart mcmillen 13:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've let a few days pass, but this intro bit:
has just got to go. There's no cite for this "critical acclaim", and as the rest of the article describes in detail, there was a big split amongst fans as to whether the old U2's "emotional and spiritual performance" survived intact or not. The "sensory overload" part, however, is quite appropriate and I've retained and expanded a bit on that. Wasted Time R 15:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[from User:Merbabu, copied here from my talk page]
I am, however, concerned that the article still goes into too much detail in simply providing "blow-by-blow" descriptive coverage. But, i will not edit it down too much - for now. BUT, having mentioned the performances of each AB song in some to great detail, i thought it appropriate that each Zooropa song at least get listed.
Rather than detailed descriptions on every move in the concert, it would be nice to be a bit more analytical. But of course this can't be our own musings, but from WP:RSs
And is there anything we can do to reduce the amount of small sections? What about putting them into sub-sections? --Merbabu 03:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Merbabu, do you really want to reformat all the references into that full format? Why!?!? They don't add much and they make the editable text wholly unreadable for other editors. And as you say they are utterly tedious to write, and dissuade future editors from using any citations at all. This isn't a term paper or a law review article! Wasted Time R 15:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This bit got added recently:
Says who he was an "opening act"? u2tours.com doesn't list him once. Just DJ'ing records over the venue sound system does not usually qualify. And whatever his role, was it really for the whole tour, or just the 1993 legs, as one web site seems to indicate? And did he replace BP Fallon, augment him, what? Wasted Time R 12:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Main problem is the references direct quotes are not referenced and too many citation needed tags. M3tal H3ad 01:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Should "The Anti-Smack Commando" be added to the personas? I say no, for the three mentioned before are the true personas, the ones acknowledged by the band. Those have titles and very defined roles. This one had no name I've seen until mentioned here, and was never acknowledged by the band to my knowledge. Plus, he appeared for only a song and a half. Phillies26 22:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
This article needs some references! The intro seems like it was copied or paraphrased from something I've read before. I remember this 4/5 page, 4000? word commentary on the tour on a special edition of Mojo a few years ago. -- Madchester 21:18, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
A lot of the statistics comes from issues of Propaganda Magazine and also the back of the Zoo TV video, but the text itself is written entirely by me apart from a few bits I took from the original Zoo TV section on the Achtung Baby wiki. ---- User:AndrewT 16:49, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
There should be some mention bout the merchandise at the shows... from your standard tees and hat, to the Zoo stamps, Zoo labels for beer cans, and Zoo Ecy funny money. They needed to sell A LOT of merchandise like in Ireland.... cuz the shows needed to reach 85% capacity before making a profit. -- Madchester 14:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Should concert tour names be in italics? Quotes? Or just be a plain proper noun? Existing usage in the U2 articles is inconsistent. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) doesn't list them for either italics or quotes. I think plain proper noun is best, because a concert tour is an event (think World Cup or Super Bowl or World War II, which don't get italicized or quoted). Also, doing it this way helps visually distinguish the name from other contexts, e.g. The Elevation Tour is different from the song "Elevation" and The Joshua Tree Tour is different from the album The Joshua Tree. So I plan to change the tour name usages to plain proper nouns here and in the other U2 articles unless I hear strong objections. Wasted Time R 12:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Just as a postscript, the "regular proper noun" approach to concert tour names is now used throughout Wikipedia. Wasted Time R 15:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
In think you should add more information. When its says the following. "The shows opened with a seven minute piece created by Emergency Broadcast Network, which wove looped images from Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will with various war and news imagery sources." It has to be noted that this was only on the Zooropa and Zoomerang parts of the tour. During Zoo TV and Zoo TV Outside Broadcast it was the Television Drug of the Nation by Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy. With visual of George Bush singing "We will (bomb) you" interspeded with Sadamm Hussein, bombs and grabs form CNN footage.
I don't have very good grammar but if someone could add this info it will enhance the article. -- mako@porpoiserecords.com 21:18, May 11, 2006 (UTC)
Hey “wasted time”. Yeah, some fine work there on the ZooTV article – it was my favourite U2 period (I think!). I’m even in the Sydney video. You will notice I went back and did some more editing since your last (see the article history for my specific reasoning). Some of your recent changes I kept, others I changed and others, sorry, I disagree with. But, hope we can keep up a collaborative and communicative approach in the best of wiki tradition. Two general comments: we should be careful about our style. I.e., this is meant to be an encyclopedia for factual information, rather than a fan-site for promotion of the band. We both obviously love U2 – it’s why we are both here on this page - but that can’t excuse us getting sloppy with our language. Second point is – I think it is best to not waste words. Try and get the point across with as little words as possible. This is Edge’s philosophy when writing songs – although he uses notes, not words. I.e., I Will Follow, and WOWY are very minimalist. Cheers – drop me a line any time. -- Merbabu 23:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have the officially approved book 'U2 Show' by Dianna Scrimgeour and it keeps referring to the tour as 'ZooTV', without the space. Should Wikipedia reflect this? Stuart mcmillen 13:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've let a few days pass, but this intro bit:
has just got to go. There's no cite for this "critical acclaim", and as the rest of the article describes in detail, there was a big split amongst fans as to whether the old U2's "emotional and spiritual performance" survived intact or not. The "sensory overload" part, however, is quite appropriate and I've retained and expanded a bit on that. Wasted Time R 15:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[from User:Merbabu, copied here from my talk page]
I am, however, concerned that the article still goes into too much detail in simply providing "blow-by-blow" descriptive coverage. But, i will not edit it down too much - for now. BUT, having mentioned the performances of each AB song in some to great detail, i thought it appropriate that each Zooropa song at least get listed.
Rather than detailed descriptions on every move in the concert, it would be nice to be a bit more analytical. But of course this can't be our own musings, but from WP:RSs
And is there anything we can do to reduce the amount of small sections? What about putting them into sub-sections? --Merbabu 03:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Merbabu, do you really want to reformat all the references into that full format? Why!?!? They don't add much and they make the editable text wholly unreadable for other editors. And as you say they are utterly tedious to write, and dissuade future editors from using any citations at all. This isn't a term paper or a law review article! Wasted Time R 15:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This bit got added recently:
Says who he was an "opening act"? u2tours.com doesn't list him once. Just DJ'ing records over the venue sound system does not usually qualify. And whatever his role, was it really for the whole tour, or just the 1993 legs, as one web site seems to indicate? And did he replace BP Fallon, augment him, what? Wasted Time R 12:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Main problem is the references direct quotes are not referenced and too many citation needed tags. M3tal H3ad 01:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Should "The Anti-Smack Commando" be added to the personas? I say no, for the three mentioned before are the true personas, the ones acknowledged by the band. Those have titles and very defined roles. This one had no name I've seen until mentioned here, and was never acknowledged by the band to my knowledge. Plus, he appeared for only a song and a half. Phillies26 22:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)