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what other artists have created alter egos for the stage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.228.111 ( talk) 22:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Was the first leg of the tour really called "The Inside Broadcast", as has been recently added to the article? I think this is a little-used retronym applied after the fact. Can you find any sources from that time that called it that? By comparison, "The Outside Broadcast" was printed on ticket stubs (including one that I have) and used in promotional material, as were of course "Zooropa" and "Zoomerang" even more prominently. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I dunno if much of this has been included in the article or not, but if the latter it could potentially be squeezed under Reception. I've added tidbits from this PDF article to "Discotheque" and "Miss Sarajevo", and it has some info on Zoo TV near the end. It's basically a commentary and analysis of how Irish music changed during the 1990s, and there's some suggestion that the Zoo TV Tour and U2's influence in Irish music may have played a part of it. Might be interesting if it can be worked in. MelicansMatkin ( talk, contributions) 05:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Y2K has yanked the long MacPhisto quote:
It's been in the article for a long time and I don't agree with Y2K's assertion that no one would read it through. To me, it really gets across the MacPhisto persona and a lot of what Zoo TV was about in terms of tone and subject matter. (Although it certainly helps to have known what his voice sounded like while saying it.) I think there should be a consensus before it's removed, not just a unilateral action. So what do others think? Wasted Time R ( talk) 01:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'll give up on this one, unless someone else shows to weigh in. The quote was added by an IP four years ago, so I guess he/she isn't around to defend it. I like the "The MacPhisto speech is a masterpiece of bitter irony ..." line from that edit too, but of course that was purged a long time ago because Thou Shalt Never Render An Assessment Here. Wasted Time R ( talk) 18:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
As a break from all the content disputes, it would great if someone could find a definite answer to:
These are key points that articles on tours like this always cover. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I added a characterization of the profit margin for individual shows, but still nothing on the whole tour. Wasted Time R ( talk) 01:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I find it a bit amusing that a number of pieces of descriptive material and quotes about the tour have been removed on grounds that the article is too long or needs tightening up, yet a Background section has appeared which tells yet again the 'U2 became too pretentious and had to reinvent themselves' story, which is already well trod over in the U2 article and the Achtung Baby article and is already alluded to in the Rattle and Hum article and the Lovetown Tour article. No, I'm not arguing to elimination of the Background section. I'm arguing that this article should be comprehensive; there's probably more to write about the Zoo TV Tour than any other concert tour in history, so let's do that without self-imposed boundaries on size. Wasted Time R ( talk) 14:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
As for the larger question of what's "trivia" or "puffery" versus what's "something of great import to the subject matter" and "will really help the reader's understanding of the tour", in reality the recent addition that's done the most to increase the article's length is the Conception section, which goes on at great length about the ideas that went into the show, the ideas that didn't go into the show, the seven stages of Trabants appearing, billboards, inflatable dolls, etc etc. It's the longest section in the article now, and none of it was added by me. The things added by me have been things that actually appeared in the show, not all the things that didn't appear in the show. So it seems that the metric for "trivia" and "puffery" is WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, not anything really objective or consistent. Now, don't get me wrong; I like the Conception section, it's interesting and illuminating, even if not of great import. But so are the pieces I've added. There's room for both. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Woo hoo! I found it finally many years after my VHS copy faded away. ZooTV 92 Christmas Special. Just insert the numbers up to 13. Great for background. -- Merbabu ( talk) 00:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
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I have no idea what I am doing here procedure wise on wikipedia, and I could be factually mistaken, but I think the 5 March 1992 Atlanta concert date was at the newly opened Georgia Dome and NOT the Omni, as stated in the chart. I was there and unless old age is kicking in, the show was at The Dome. Please notice that U2 did play a few years earlier at the Omni...but my memory combined with the fact that the GA Dome had just opened, leads me to believe the chart is wrong. This link suggests I am right: http://www.levyrestaurants.com/Levy/DiningExperiences/SportsAndEntertainment/Georgia+Dome.htm
Terry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.32.69 ( talk) 07:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I changed this article a few days ago to include Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car and Lemon to be mentioned in the encores part of the show outline. After the Zooropa leg and the band moved on to the Australian (Zoomerang) leg Desire and Ultraviolet were not included in the set list. Desire wasn't played until the Popmart Tour and Ultraviolet wasn't played until the 360 Tour. These songs were replaced by Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car and Lemon. This is shown on the Live in Sydney dvd. If you check the set lists from this part of the tour this continued until the end of the tour. With Or Without You and Love Is Blindness were still played afterwards. I am going to change it back. Whoever changed it after I corrected it last time don't do it again check your facts! If you don't like the way I wrote it you rewrite it in your words.
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http://www.u2setlists.com/zooropa.shtml - at the bottom of the page it notes that Desire is not played again until 1997 and Ultraviolet until 2009.
http://www.u2setlists.com/zoomerang-newzooland.shtml - this is the final leg and the encore is always the same: Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car, Lemon, With Or Without You, Love Is Blindness, Can't Help Falling In Love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.16.216 ( talk) 08:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
From the page: "A seventh Trabant by the B-stage doubled as a DJ booth and a mirror ball." I take it this Trabant was also suspended from the stage, except gently revolving ala a mirror ball, but was this also the case when being used as a DJ booth? When was it used in the U2 sets (i.e. was it used during any performances specifically)? Is this also the mirror ball referred to in the PopMart Tour page? -- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 17:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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I'm not sure how useful the recent addition of box office figures (attendance and revenue) is to the "Tour dates" section, given that the data is missing for over half of the dates. And at some point all this information gets into WP:NOTADIR territory.
Furthermore, all the U.S. figures are sourced to the "Boxscore" feature in Billboard, whose figures were not always accurate. In particular, page 17 of this issue lists the 2–3 September 1992 shows at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia as combined attendance "88,684 sellout". The second of these shows was one of the shows I saw on the tour and it was most definitely not a sellout. I had bought the ticket a week or two before the show, as they were readily available. I took detailed notes at the show and they say "Lots of empty seats – almost all but lower part of upper deck empty." And 44,000 is too low for the concert capacity of Veterans Stadium, which was huge ( this news piece puts concert capacity at 55,000–60,000, where the low end would apply here given the Zoo TV stage was larger than average for outdoor acts). I suspect the combined attendance figure itself may be right but it was 54,000 first show and 34,000 second show, something like that.
I know, I know, WP is about verifiability and not truth. But just had to say this ... Wasted Time R ( talk) 11:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
So Public Enemy did not open for U2 at this show. Trust me, I would have remembered that! Not sure if the rest of the block in the chart is correct or not, but the openers were the Sugarcubes and The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy. See: http://tours.atu2.com/concert/arrowhead-stadium-oct-18-1992 Sorry I'm too lazy to actually edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.87.108.134 ( talk) 17:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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hi,
it seems the main contributor to this page does not like that i have explicitly stated the anti-fascist themes of the zoo tv tour, and presumably the zooropa album.
they claim that the source i used references the opening act (macnas) only, and not the ideas.
however, one website that discussed parts of the show mentions:
The tour that developed from this was an audio-visual extravaganza to say the least. Giant video screens surrounded the stage and beamed out ZooTV images and messages in a sensory overload of information. Phrases such as "Everything you know is wrong", "Watch more TV" and "Freedom is slavery" flashed hypnotically from the stage in between Bono actually watching local TV using a remote control to flick restlessly between channels. Some observers suggested that there were more sinister hidden messages hidden among these images (in particular, it was pointed out that the sentence "Bomb Japan now" could be spotted if you looked carefully). This was widely dismissed as mere paranoia. However, there was some controversy in Germany due to the decision to use footage from Nazi propaganda films ('Olympia and 'Triumph Of The Will' by Leni Riefenstahl) during the intro to the show. Similarly, during the live performance of 'Bullet The Blue Sky', the burning crosses referred to in the song appeared on the video screens before metamorphosing into burning swastikas. The fact that the display of Nazi symbols is illegal in Germany made this a potentially dangerous move, but the audiences took it in the spirit in which it was intended, ie anti-fascist.
further, what is being said by macnas really does fit the theme of zoo tv and zooropa in general. the cover of zooropa is an alien with the stars of europe around it, and there are many messages that confirm or support the macnas artist's claim of being anti-fascist.
indeed, the rolling stone in 1993 (when it was good) also seems to support this:
For the band, however — and in particular the Edge, whose increased musical and conceptual input earned him a co-production credit on the new Zooropa album (he also sang lead on the first single, “Numb”) — the pangs of European politics have been anything but remote. In retooling the Zoo TV stadium extravaganza that blitzed the United States in the summer of ’92 for European audiences, U2 charged straight into the belly of the beast. The show’s opening visual assault on gigantic vidiwalls and banks of televisions now included dramatic footage from Triumph of the Will, Leni Riefenstahl’s Nazi propaganda film from the 1930s. Huge flaming swastikas and burning crosses appeared on the vidiwalls during “Bullet the Blue Sky.” Meanwhile, Zooropa, the Achtung Baby follow-up the group released in July, chillingly evoked the exhilaration and fear of Europe in the throes of the new world disorder. During the Zooropa ’93 tour, U2’s frequent live-satellite transmissions from Sarajevo — in which residents of the besieged city spoke uncensored to stunned stadium crowds — triggered a heated media debate abroad about the ethics of mixing up rock & roll special effects with heart-ravaging disasters.
the question i have for other fans: is it wrong to explicitly state that zooropa and the zoo tv tour were a provocative way of addressing the manifestations of fascism? to me it seems obvious, but the main contributor of this page seems to oppose that. 50.99.255.205 ( talk)
The U2 fan who looks like a wp:single-purpose account needs to behave themselves. These facts are sourced [1]. Woovee ( talk) 17:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Who are you to judge a book you've never even read? It's clear from all your recent edit warring and topics about you on administrator noticeboards that you do need to build consensus. One article published in Spin and subsequently disputed by a fellow member of the Pixies does not make it gospel. I also find your inclusion of a sentence that U2 never met the Pixies completely laughable - as if not meeting an opening act is somehow mistreatment (if it was even true). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 02:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
@ User:AidenTEM Sir, "drunk driving accident" is itself "load language". It is not even remotely impartial. It is the direct opposite. I removed the impartial, loaded language and replaced it with a neutral term. You restored the bias. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 01:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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what other artists have created alter egos for the stage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.228.111 ( talk) 22:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Was the first leg of the tour really called "The Inside Broadcast", as has been recently added to the article? I think this is a little-used retronym applied after the fact. Can you find any sources from that time that called it that? By comparison, "The Outside Broadcast" was printed on ticket stubs (including one that I have) and used in promotional material, as were of course "Zooropa" and "Zoomerang" even more prominently. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I dunno if much of this has been included in the article or not, but if the latter it could potentially be squeezed under Reception. I've added tidbits from this PDF article to "Discotheque" and "Miss Sarajevo", and it has some info on Zoo TV near the end. It's basically a commentary and analysis of how Irish music changed during the 1990s, and there's some suggestion that the Zoo TV Tour and U2's influence in Irish music may have played a part of it. Might be interesting if it can be worked in. MelicansMatkin ( talk, contributions) 05:36, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Y2K has yanked the long MacPhisto quote:
It's been in the article for a long time and I don't agree with Y2K's assertion that no one would read it through. To me, it really gets across the MacPhisto persona and a lot of what Zoo TV was about in terms of tone and subject matter. (Although it certainly helps to have known what his voice sounded like while saying it.) I think there should be a consensus before it's removed, not just a unilateral action. So what do others think? Wasted Time R ( talk) 01:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'll give up on this one, unless someone else shows to weigh in. The quote was added by an IP four years ago, so I guess he/she isn't around to defend it. I like the "The MacPhisto speech is a masterpiece of bitter irony ..." line from that edit too, but of course that was purged a long time ago because Thou Shalt Never Render An Assessment Here. Wasted Time R ( talk) 18:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
As a break from all the content disputes, it would great if someone could find a definite answer to:
These are key points that articles on tours like this always cover. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I added a characterization of the profit margin for individual shows, but still nothing on the whole tour. Wasted Time R ( talk) 01:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I find it a bit amusing that a number of pieces of descriptive material and quotes about the tour have been removed on grounds that the article is too long or needs tightening up, yet a Background section has appeared which tells yet again the 'U2 became too pretentious and had to reinvent themselves' story, which is already well trod over in the U2 article and the Achtung Baby article and is already alluded to in the Rattle and Hum article and the Lovetown Tour article. No, I'm not arguing to elimination of the Background section. I'm arguing that this article should be comprehensive; there's probably more to write about the Zoo TV Tour than any other concert tour in history, so let's do that without self-imposed boundaries on size. Wasted Time R ( talk) 14:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
As for the larger question of what's "trivia" or "puffery" versus what's "something of great import to the subject matter" and "will really help the reader's understanding of the tour", in reality the recent addition that's done the most to increase the article's length is the Conception section, which goes on at great length about the ideas that went into the show, the ideas that didn't go into the show, the seven stages of Trabants appearing, billboards, inflatable dolls, etc etc. It's the longest section in the article now, and none of it was added by me. The things added by me have been things that actually appeared in the show, not all the things that didn't appear in the show. So it seems that the metric for "trivia" and "puffery" is WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, not anything really objective or consistent. Now, don't get me wrong; I like the Conception section, it's interesting and illuminating, even if not of great import. But so are the pieces I've added. There's room for both. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Woo hoo! I found it finally many years after my VHS copy faded away. ZooTV 92 Christmas Special. Just insert the numbers up to 13. Great for background. -- Merbabu ( talk) 00:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Kitchen Roll (Exchange words) 14:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I have no idea what I am doing here procedure wise on wikipedia, and I could be factually mistaken, but I think the 5 March 1992 Atlanta concert date was at the newly opened Georgia Dome and NOT the Omni, as stated in the chart. I was there and unless old age is kicking in, the show was at The Dome. Please notice that U2 did play a few years earlier at the Omni...but my memory combined with the fact that the GA Dome had just opened, leads me to believe the chart is wrong. This link suggests I am right: http://www.levyrestaurants.com/Levy/DiningExperiences/SportsAndEntertainment/Georgia+Dome.htm
Terry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.32.69 ( talk) 07:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I changed this article a few days ago to include Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car and Lemon to be mentioned in the encores part of the show outline. After the Zooropa leg and the band moved on to the Australian (Zoomerang) leg Desire and Ultraviolet were not included in the set list. Desire wasn't played until the Popmart Tour and Ultraviolet wasn't played until the 360 Tour. These songs were replaced by Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car and Lemon. This is shown on the Live in Sydney dvd. If you check the set lists from this part of the tour this continued until the end of the tour. With Or Without You and Love Is Blindness were still played afterwards. I am going to change it back. Whoever changed it after I corrected it last time don't do it again check your facts! If you don't like the way I wrote it you rewrite it in your words.
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http://www.u2setlists.com/zooropa.shtml - at the bottom of the page it notes that Desire is not played again until 1997 and Ultraviolet until 2009.
http://www.u2setlists.com/zoomerang-newzooland.shtml - this is the final leg and the encore is always the same: Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car, Lemon, With Or Without You, Love Is Blindness, Can't Help Falling In Love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.16.216 ( talk) 08:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
From the page: "A seventh Trabant by the B-stage doubled as a DJ booth and a mirror ball." I take it this Trabant was also suspended from the stage, except gently revolving ala a mirror ball, but was this also the case when being used as a DJ booth? When was it used in the U2 sets (i.e. was it used during any performances specifically)? Is this also the mirror ball referred to in the PopMart Tour page? -- TangoTizerWolfstone ( talk) 17:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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I'm not sure how useful the recent addition of box office figures (attendance and revenue) is to the "Tour dates" section, given that the data is missing for over half of the dates. And at some point all this information gets into WP:NOTADIR territory.
Furthermore, all the U.S. figures are sourced to the "Boxscore" feature in Billboard, whose figures were not always accurate. In particular, page 17 of this issue lists the 2–3 September 1992 shows at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia as combined attendance "88,684 sellout". The second of these shows was one of the shows I saw on the tour and it was most definitely not a sellout. I had bought the ticket a week or two before the show, as they were readily available. I took detailed notes at the show and they say "Lots of empty seats – almost all but lower part of upper deck empty." And 44,000 is too low for the concert capacity of Veterans Stadium, which was huge ( this news piece puts concert capacity at 55,000–60,000, where the low end would apply here given the Zoo TV stage was larger than average for outdoor acts). I suspect the combined attendance figure itself may be right but it was 54,000 first show and 34,000 second show, something like that.
I know, I know, WP is about verifiability and not truth. But just had to say this ... Wasted Time R ( talk) 11:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
So Public Enemy did not open for U2 at this show. Trust me, I would have remembered that! Not sure if the rest of the block in the chart is correct or not, but the openers were the Sugarcubes and The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy. See: http://tours.atu2.com/concert/arrowhead-stadium-oct-18-1992 Sorry I'm too lazy to actually edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.87.108.134 ( talk) 17:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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hi,
it seems the main contributor to this page does not like that i have explicitly stated the anti-fascist themes of the zoo tv tour, and presumably the zooropa album.
they claim that the source i used references the opening act (macnas) only, and not the ideas.
however, one website that discussed parts of the show mentions:
The tour that developed from this was an audio-visual extravaganza to say the least. Giant video screens surrounded the stage and beamed out ZooTV images and messages in a sensory overload of information. Phrases such as "Everything you know is wrong", "Watch more TV" and "Freedom is slavery" flashed hypnotically from the stage in between Bono actually watching local TV using a remote control to flick restlessly between channels. Some observers suggested that there were more sinister hidden messages hidden among these images (in particular, it was pointed out that the sentence "Bomb Japan now" could be spotted if you looked carefully). This was widely dismissed as mere paranoia. However, there was some controversy in Germany due to the decision to use footage from Nazi propaganda films ('Olympia and 'Triumph Of The Will' by Leni Riefenstahl) during the intro to the show. Similarly, during the live performance of 'Bullet The Blue Sky', the burning crosses referred to in the song appeared on the video screens before metamorphosing into burning swastikas. The fact that the display of Nazi symbols is illegal in Germany made this a potentially dangerous move, but the audiences took it in the spirit in which it was intended, ie anti-fascist.
further, what is being said by macnas really does fit the theme of zoo tv and zooropa in general. the cover of zooropa is an alien with the stars of europe around it, and there are many messages that confirm or support the macnas artist's claim of being anti-fascist.
indeed, the rolling stone in 1993 (when it was good) also seems to support this:
For the band, however — and in particular the Edge, whose increased musical and conceptual input earned him a co-production credit on the new Zooropa album (he also sang lead on the first single, “Numb”) — the pangs of European politics have been anything but remote. In retooling the Zoo TV stadium extravaganza that blitzed the United States in the summer of ’92 for European audiences, U2 charged straight into the belly of the beast. The show’s opening visual assault on gigantic vidiwalls and banks of televisions now included dramatic footage from Triumph of the Will, Leni Riefenstahl’s Nazi propaganda film from the 1930s. Huge flaming swastikas and burning crosses appeared on the vidiwalls during “Bullet the Blue Sky.” Meanwhile, Zooropa, the Achtung Baby follow-up the group released in July, chillingly evoked the exhilaration and fear of Europe in the throes of the new world disorder. During the Zooropa ’93 tour, U2’s frequent live-satellite transmissions from Sarajevo — in which residents of the besieged city spoke uncensored to stunned stadium crowds — triggered a heated media debate abroad about the ethics of mixing up rock & roll special effects with heart-ravaging disasters.
the question i have for other fans: is it wrong to explicitly state that zooropa and the zoo tv tour were a provocative way of addressing the manifestations of fascism? to me it seems obvious, but the main contributor of this page seems to oppose that. 50.99.255.205 ( talk)
The U2 fan who looks like a wp:single-purpose account needs to behave themselves. These facts are sourced [1]. Woovee ( talk) 17:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Who are you to judge a book you've never even read? It's clear from all your recent edit warring and topics about you on administrator noticeboards that you do need to build consensus. One article published in Spin and subsequently disputed by a fellow member of the Pixies does not make it gospel. I also find your inclusion of a sentence that U2 never met the Pixies completely laughable - as if not meeting an opening act is somehow mistreatment (if it was even true). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 02:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
@ User:AidenTEM Sir, "drunk driving accident" is itself "load language". It is not even remotely impartial. It is the direct opposite. I removed the impartial, loaded language and replaced it with a neutral term. You restored the bias. Bohemian Baltimore ( talk) 01:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)