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How can I link to the specific subsection ("violence and guns") in "protest songs"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdob ( talk • contribs) 12:00, 19 March 2004 (UTC)
A protest against what? All I heard is a woman shrieking "yehukahuka ZOMBIE ZOMBIE!" over and over again. Pookleblinky 12:37, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Erm, a protest against what? Its obvious, just generally against the conflict "its the same old thing, sinse 1916"- There had been no progress towards resoloving the troubles. and how the British media and public portayed the southern irish as supporting the IRA, when they really wanted the conflict resolved. "can't you see it not me, its not my family, in your head they are fighting" this is the "zombie" state of mind she refers to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.125.9.4 ( talk) 15:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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I uploaded and linked a screenshot from the music video for this song. I also added fair use on the image page for this use. I feel it better shows how the singer is made-up to look very much like the saint mentioned in the article section. Feel free to shift and/or shrink the image in the article for better flow. I did not include a caption but go ahead if you think it needs one.
Kresock ( talk) 18:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Are there any articles noting the similarity between these songs? The chord progressoin's the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.244.91 ( talk) 19:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I remove the part where it describes the makeup as "Egyptian". Here it is from the article, "She wears an Egyptian headdress as well as Egyptian eye makeup, reminiscent of the Egyptian Goddess Isis. Standing in front of a cross, she's surrounded by golden children with bows and arrows". An encyclopedia should not TELL the reader what it THINKS she is reminiscent of.
A reader can watch the video and come to that conclusion on their own. Its original research; its taking purely from whoever wrote it THOUGHT and got the impression. For me, personally, she looks nothing like Isis. And her headdress is not Egyptian, its "Egyptian-looking". Isis actually doesn't even wear a headdress like that, if you like at ancient illustrations. It is as if someone saw The Mummy and thought, "Wow, she looks like what I saw from the mummy". But that is not a valid source.
What people THINK is Egyptian and what is actually Egyptian are too different things. Someone familiar with Egypt might read this and get the wrong impression. Its original research. Furthermore, to say that she is reminiscent of the goddess Isis is to imply that that is what the artist was going for, which unless cited really doesn't hold water. Again, a viewer can interpret that for themselves. Lol, also, the children were silvery, not golden. Saying she is in gold makeup and is surrounded by silver children in front of a cross is fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.60.163 ( talk) 15:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
The part about the Youtuber referencing this song doesn't seem like it should be in here. It seems to be unwarranted promotion. Doesn't seem worthy of inclusion and doesn't have any source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:5803:3660:71FC:44C3:4DC3:8DC1 ( talk) 17:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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There's a dubious section here called Composition which declares the beats-per-minute of the song at 84 bpm. The album recording (at 82 bpm) is faster than the live performances of the song, which tended to be in th 72-75 bpm range. It's actually the reason the live performances dragged, in my not-asked-for opinion. I'm removing the mention of the bpm altogether because it's not consistent across all performances of the song and it's just a weird statement. That leaves the fact that it's in E minor. Is that relevant? I'm deleting that too cause having a whole section just to tell people it's in E minor is a bad way of presenting this information. Correct me if I'm wrong though. We could just write that in somewhere else in the article. Here. I'll do that now. Cheers Youtryandyoutry ( talk) 23:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I think these a mistake and the song released only at 1994, not 1993 Nirvadel ( talk) 10:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
This section was moved into a new Legacy section which usually appears at the end of the article at Wikipedia. The table of contents for the covers has now been changed to a Renditions section. I think the Legacy section should come after it. The article deserves a Legacy section. ErnestKrause ( talk) 18:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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More than happy to take this one on. This has been one of my favourite grunge songs for my whole life, seeing it sung by Ireland fans at the Rugby World Cup last year gave me chills. This is a long monster of an article, so it has taken me quite a few days to write this review, I hope you'll bare with me as I go over it all and I hope my comments are helpful. -- Grnrchst ( talk) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
"More than 3,500 people died and thousands more were injured."I'm having trouble verifying this specific number with the sources you provided. There are verified sources for this information in the article about The Troubles, so consider using a citation to McEvoy 2008 instead.
"Republican and Unionist paramilitaries killed thousands of people"This repeats information already mentioned above.
"Over 10,000 bomb attacks were perpetrated by paramilitary groups in Ireland and England"Cited sources only mention bomb attacks in the six counties of Northern Ireland. If you're going to talk about bomb attacks in both Ireland and England (which is relevant to the song), you should find sources that reference bomb attacks throughout both.
"The song was written in response to [...]"All of the cited sources in this paragraph discuss the bombing, but none of them mention the song, with a few of the cited sources having been published before the song was released. This bit about the song should be moved to after the details of the bombing, so that it can introduce the subsequent quote from O'Riordan.
"a song that reflected upon the event"This is a new section, so specify what the event is (the Warrington bombing yes?)
"Writing the core chords on her acoustic guitar, O'Riordan returned to Ireland and continued to write the song after returning to her apartment after a night out"This reads a bit odd. Rephrase "Writing" to "Having written".
"The lyrics and chords of "Zombie" were written initially on an acoustic guitar by O'Riordan alone late that night"Why are we repeating this same information?
"without hindrance"Huh? What would have hindered it?
"governed by no inhibitions"What?
"I found it very easy to write lyrics when I was younger because I had no inhibitions – they just came pouring out. I find as I get older it’s more difficult: you develop fears and you go, ‘What will people think of this?’ But it’s important not to think too much about what people will think, because then you’ll never write!"I see. So you've chopped up the quote into smaller pieces, but tried to keep the same structure in the wikivoice prose, which has led to it being quite messy. I think this sentence needs to be rewritten because it reads very odd right now.
"observed that"Observed is an odd choice of word here. Maybe "recalled"?
"The sound came organically"Here "came organically" should be in quotation marks, as it's O'Riordan's own words.
"while raising the volume"Cited source doesn't appear to mention this.
"features a foggy, sludgy electric guitars sound"This is a unique description that I can't find basis for in the cited sources (it's not wrong, just not verified). Think this bit could be cut so it goes "recorded during the grunge era, represents a radical depature [...]"
"O'Riordan had been the focus of a battle over censorship"Calling it "censorship" approaches original interpretation. The rest of this sentence also gets a bit too closely paraphrased for comfort. Consider a wee rewrite.
"[...] on the path to IRA's historic [...]"Should be "the IRA's"
"as well as No Need to Argue the following month"Should specify that No Need to Argue is the album.
"responsible for the heavier sound,"so The Telegraph is left to verify the specific quote at the end of the sentence.
"O’Riordan's mother Eileen has stated, [...]"Why is this in the criticism section? It doesn't seem particularly critical.
"one of the largest public music polls in the world,"Is this relevant? Think this could be cut.
"(as evident from their thin red line tactical recognition flashes)".
"(IRA, UDA, UFF, UVF, Bobby Sands)."
"The song reached No. 14 on the UK Singles Chart."Huh? Why is that mentioned here? Shouldn't this be in the "Chart performance" section?
"In November 2022, the song was voted as the greatest Irish hit"Shouldn't this be in the critical reception section? Why is it in the section about the video?
"Towards the end of "Zombie", O'Riordan embodied what it meant to her".
"in the bathroom""the bathroom" is a little ambiguous, as it could mean her hotel bathroom or (given the recent mention) the studio. You should clarify that it was her hotel bathroom.
"the actress playing Dolores gold covered character, was smearing gold paint on a plate of glass while Bad Wolves vocalist Tommy Vext was singing to her from the other side. At one point in the video, the character wrote 1-15-18, the day Dolores O’Riordan passed away."
"that performance quickly became viral online with individuals appreciating Cyrus' fine, raw vocals"It's not in the source, also why are we praising Cyrus' "fine, raw vocals" in Wikivoice?
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How can I link to the specific subsection ("violence and guns") in "protest songs"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdob ( talk • contribs) 12:00, 19 March 2004 (UTC)
A protest against what? All I heard is a woman shrieking "yehukahuka ZOMBIE ZOMBIE!" over and over again. Pookleblinky 12:37, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Erm, a protest against what? Its obvious, just generally against the conflict "its the same old thing, sinse 1916"- There had been no progress towards resoloving the troubles. and how the British media and public portayed the southern irish as supporting the IRA, when they really wanted the conflict resolved. "can't you see it not me, its not my family, in your head they are fighting" this is the "zombie" state of mind she refers to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.125.9.4 ( talk) 15:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Image:The Cranberries - Zombie.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Done
Donny (
talk) 17:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I uploaded and linked a screenshot from the music video for this song. I also added fair use on the image page for this use. I feel it better shows how the singer is made-up to look very much like the saint mentioned in the article section. Feel free to shift and/or shrink the image in the article for better flow. I did not include a caption but go ahead if you think it needs one.
Kresock ( talk) 18:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Are there any articles noting the similarity between these songs? The chord progressoin's the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.244.91 ( talk) 19:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I remove the part where it describes the makeup as "Egyptian". Here it is from the article, "She wears an Egyptian headdress as well as Egyptian eye makeup, reminiscent of the Egyptian Goddess Isis. Standing in front of a cross, she's surrounded by golden children with bows and arrows". An encyclopedia should not TELL the reader what it THINKS she is reminiscent of.
A reader can watch the video and come to that conclusion on their own. Its original research; its taking purely from whoever wrote it THOUGHT and got the impression. For me, personally, she looks nothing like Isis. And her headdress is not Egyptian, its "Egyptian-looking". Isis actually doesn't even wear a headdress like that, if you like at ancient illustrations. It is as if someone saw The Mummy and thought, "Wow, she looks like what I saw from the mummy". But that is not a valid source.
What people THINK is Egyptian and what is actually Egyptian are too different things. Someone familiar with Egypt might read this and get the wrong impression. Its original research. Furthermore, to say that she is reminiscent of the goddess Isis is to imply that that is what the artist was going for, which unless cited really doesn't hold water. Again, a viewer can interpret that for themselves. Lol, also, the children were silvery, not golden. Saying she is in gold makeup and is surrounded by silver children in front of a cross is fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.60.163 ( talk) 15:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
The part about the Youtuber referencing this song doesn't seem like it should be in here. It seems to be unwarranted promotion. Doesn't seem worthy of inclusion and doesn't have any source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:5803:3660:71FC:44C3:4DC3:8DC1 ( talk) 17:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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There's a dubious section here called Composition which declares the beats-per-minute of the song at 84 bpm. The album recording (at 82 bpm) is faster than the live performances of the song, which tended to be in th 72-75 bpm range. It's actually the reason the live performances dragged, in my not-asked-for opinion. I'm removing the mention of the bpm altogether because it's not consistent across all performances of the song and it's just a weird statement. That leaves the fact that it's in E minor. Is that relevant? I'm deleting that too cause having a whole section just to tell people it's in E minor is a bad way of presenting this information. Correct me if I'm wrong though. We could just write that in somewhere else in the article. Here. I'll do that now. Cheers Youtryandyoutry ( talk) 23:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I think these a mistake and the song released only at 1994, not 1993 Nirvadel ( talk) 10:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
This section was moved into a new Legacy section which usually appears at the end of the article at Wikipedia. The table of contents for the covers has now been changed to a Renditions section. I think the Legacy section should come after it. The article deserves a Legacy section. ErnestKrause ( talk) 18:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Grnrchst ( talk · contribs) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
More than happy to take this one on. This has been one of my favourite grunge songs for my whole life, seeing it sung by Ireland fans at the Rugby World Cup last year gave me chills. This is a long monster of an article, so it has taken me quite a few days to write this review, I hope you'll bare with me as I go over it all and I hope my comments are helpful. -- Grnrchst ( talk) 16:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
"More than 3,500 people died and thousands more were injured."I'm having trouble verifying this specific number with the sources you provided. There are verified sources for this information in the article about The Troubles, so consider using a citation to McEvoy 2008 instead.
"Republican and Unionist paramilitaries killed thousands of people"This repeats information already mentioned above.
"Over 10,000 bomb attacks were perpetrated by paramilitary groups in Ireland and England"Cited sources only mention bomb attacks in the six counties of Northern Ireland. If you're going to talk about bomb attacks in both Ireland and England (which is relevant to the song), you should find sources that reference bomb attacks throughout both.
"The song was written in response to [...]"All of the cited sources in this paragraph discuss the bombing, but none of them mention the song, with a few of the cited sources having been published before the song was released. This bit about the song should be moved to after the details of the bombing, so that it can introduce the subsequent quote from O'Riordan.
"a song that reflected upon the event"This is a new section, so specify what the event is (the Warrington bombing yes?)
"Writing the core chords on her acoustic guitar, O'Riordan returned to Ireland and continued to write the song after returning to her apartment after a night out"This reads a bit odd. Rephrase "Writing" to "Having written".
"The lyrics and chords of "Zombie" were written initially on an acoustic guitar by O'Riordan alone late that night"Why are we repeating this same information?
"without hindrance"Huh? What would have hindered it?
"governed by no inhibitions"What?
"I found it very easy to write lyrics when I was younger because I had no inhibitions – they just came pouring out. I find as I get older it’s more difficult: you develop fears and you go, ‘What will people think of this?’ But it’s important not to think too much about what people will think, because then you’ll never write!"I see. So you've chopped up the quote into smaller pieces, but tried to keep the same structure in the wikivoice prose, which has led to it being quite messy. I think this sentence needs to be rewritten because it reads very odd right now.
"observed that"Observed is an odd choice of word here. Maybe "recalled"?
"The sound came organically"Here "came organically" should be in quotation marks, as it's O'Riordan's own words.
"while raising the volume"Cited source doesn't appear to mention this.
"features a foggy, sludgy electric guitars sound"This is a unique description that I can't find basis for in the cited sources (it's not wrong, just not verified). Think this bit could be cut so it goes "recorded during the grunge era, represents a radical depature [...]"
"O'Riordan had been the focus of a battle over censorship"Calling it "censorship" approaches original interpretation. The rest of this sentence also gets a bit too closely paraphrased for comfort. Consider a wee rewrite.
"[...] on the path to IRA's historic [...]"Should be "the IRA's"
"as well as No Need to Argue the following month"Should specify that No Need to Argue is the album.
"responsible for the heavier sound,"so The Telegraph is left to verify the specific quote at the end of the sentence.
"O’Riordan's mother Eileen has stated, [...]"Why is this in the criticism section? It doesn't seem particularly critical.
"one of the largest public music polls in the world,"Is this relevant? Think this could be cut.
"(as evident from their thin red line tactical recognition flashes)".
"(IRA, UDA, UFF, UVF, Bobby Sands)."
"The song reached No. 14 on the UK Singles Chart."Huh? Why is that mentioned here? Shouldn't this be in the "Chart performance" section?
"In November 2022, the song was voted as the greatest Irish hit"Shouldn't this be in the critical reception section? Why is it in the section about the video?
"Towards the end of "Zombie", O'Riordan embodied what it meant to her".
"in the bathroom""the bathroom" is a little ambiguous, as it could mean her hotel bathroom or (given the recent mention) the studio. You should clarify that it was her hotel bathroom.
"the actress playing Dolores gold covered character, was smearing gold paint on a plate of glass while Bad Wolves vocalist Tommy Vext was singing to her from the other side. At one point in the video, the character wrote 1-15-18, the day Dolores O’Riordan passed away."
"that performance quickly became viral online with individuals appreciating Cyrus' fine, raw vocals"It's not in the source, also why are we praising Cyrus' "fine, raw vocals" in Wikivoice?
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria