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Jjj1238, you recently reverted my changes about Zlata Ognevich that do not correspond to the article. Fist of all where was Zlata born Sudak or Murmansk? Second of all does Murmansk located in Ukraine or Russia? If she was born in Russia, she is a Russian who later switched her nationality, but primarily she was a Russian, not Ukrainian. So, as she was born, Zlata was a Russian person of Jewish descent living in Murmansk. Later her family moved to Sudak, Crimean Oblast when Zlata was still underage. People who emigrated from Russia to Ukraine category denotes people who arrived to Ukraine for permanent residence. With the fall of the Soviet Union, all people of Ukraine who lived there at that time received Ukrainian citizenship automatically. So would you please, explain me the reason you reverted my changes. Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 19:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Jjj1238, you are being incorrect. I suggest you to look at least at the Wikipedia article Citizenship of Russia#Terminology. There is no documents that support your claim of the "by blood rule". Second of all, she was born when Russia was part of the Soviet Union, therefore her parents were citizens of the Soviet Union. For the purpose of disambiguity, Zlata was born in Murmansk, Russian SFSR and she was born as Russian to parents who are ethnically Ukrainian. She is a Russian person of Ukrainian descent. Also it seems that some her parents are Jewish, therefore she also a Russian person of Jewish descent. However, the Jewish descent, I bet, is not even relevant, as there are no evidence of her practicing Judaism or speaking in Hebrew nor Yiddish. My grandparents were Jewish and my dad considers himself as Jewish, but I do not see him that way. I was born in Ukraine to parent who were born in Ukraine, while my last name clearly denotes my Russian descent. Therefore I am Ukrainian person of Russian descent. Your example with Savannah Guthrie does not prove anything. It does not even technically categorize her under any descent, but she is obviously was born as an Australian to American parents. I never denied the fact that Zlata is a Ukrainian singer or Ukrainian politician. She obviously is. And because she has Ukrainian parents, her family moved back to Ukraine. But Zlata did not go back to Ukraine as she started out her life in Russia, not Ukraine. Zlata technically simply moved to Ukraine instead of going back. Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 20:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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I linked a BBC article where the is written she has italian and serbian origins, there is also an interview where she says it.. -- 2.226.12.134 ( talk) 22:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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Jjj1238, you recently reverted my changes about Zlata Ognevich that do not correspond to the article. Fist of all where was Zlata born Sudak or Murmansk? Second of all does Murmansk located in Ukraine or Russia? If she was born in Russia, she is a Russian who later switched her nationality, but primarily she was a Russian, not Ukrainian. So, as she was born, Zlata was a Russian person of Jewish descent living in Murmansk. Later her family moved to Sudak, Crimean Oblast when Zlata was still underage. People who emigrated from Russia to Ukraine category denotes people who arrived to Ukraine for permanent residence. With the fall of the Soviet Union, all people of Ukraine who lived there at that time received Ukrainian citizenship automatically. So would you please, explain me the reason you reverted my changes. Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 19:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Jjj1238, you are being incorrect. I suggest you to look at least at the Wikipedia article Citizenship of Russia#Terminology. There is no documents that support your claim of the "by blood rule". Second of all, she was born when Russia was part of the Soviet Union, therefore her parents were citizens of the Soviet Union. For the purpose of disambiguity, Zlata was born in Murmansk, Russian SFSR and she was born as Russian to parents who are ethnically Ukrainian. She is a Russian person of Ukrainian descent. Also it seems that some her parents are Jewish, therefore she also a Russian person of Jewish descent. However, the Jewish descent, I bet, is not even relevant, as there are no evidence of her practicing Judaism or speaking in Hebrew nor Yiddish. My grandparents were Jewish and my dad considers himself as Jewish, but I do not see him that way. I was born in Ukraine to parent who were born in Ukraine, while my last name clearly denotes my Russian descent. Therefore I am Ukrainian person of Russian descent. Your example with Savannah Guthrie does not prove anything. It does not even technically categorize her under any descent, but she is obviously was born as an Australian to American parents. I never denied the fact that Zlata is a Ukrainian singer or Ukrainian politician. She obviously is. And because she has Ukrainian parents, her family moved back to Ukraine. But Zlata did not go back to Ukraine as she started out her life in Russia, not Ukraine. Zlata technically simply moved to Ukraine instead of going back. Aleksandr Grigoryev ( talk) 20:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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I linked a BBC article where the is written she has italian and serbian origins, there is also an interview where she says it.. -- 2.226.12.134 ( talk) 22:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)