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From a version of Dubai Ports World controversy:
Which flags do they fly under?
Who say that the "do it to avoid" the Arab League Boycott of Israel? -- Uncle Ed 14:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
It is evidently untrue that ZIM left the WTC the week before the attacks. The decision to move to Virginia had been made months before and there were still ZIM employees working in the WTC on 9-11. This is explained in two Web log articles that seem to be the best source for this:
http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2008/09/slander-that-just-wont-die-where-does.html http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2007/12/sorry-not-convinced-yet-this-post-is.html
Evidently the source of the hoax is Christopher Bolleyn, a well known Holocaust denier and racist associate of David Duke http://www.911review.com/denial/holocaust.html - [[ Mewnews ( talk) 15:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)]]
One week prior to the WTC attack, the Zim Shipping Company moves out of its offices in the WTC, breaking its lease and costing the company $50,000. No reason has ever been given, but Zim Shipping Company is half owned by the State of Israel (The Rothschilds). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovetherothschilds ( talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I researched this and found on here http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=zim-american_israeli_shipping_co. it referenced it to Newspaper Articles in The Virginia Pilot back in 2001. Christopher's article were 2002. http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/AmericanFreePress0902.html . This page http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2012/05/zim-israel-navigation-company.html links to about a hundred news articles on how they did move out weeks before 9/11. Are you ready for IPv6? ( talk) 14:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement over whether the placement of this section on the Zim Integrated Shipping Services page is appropriate. After many attempts by a number of anonymous users to completely remove the section, I had restored the section with the justification that these protests are not strictly in response to Israel's 2014 offensive in Gaza, but rather part of an ongoing and years-long effort. The most recent example of this is a similar effort taken in 2010 in response to Israel's assault on the Mavi Marmara flotilla.
In addition to this, the protesting of Zim's shipping services has made international news - as outlined in the very section in question - thus it would make the most sense to keep this as its own section on the Zim Shipping Wikipedia page, as these efforts continue.
Regarding the word count and proportionality, the fact that a section outlining protests directed at particular company has grown in light of new details should not be an argument for its removal. It is still a minor section relative to the rest of the article.
Iproofreadwiki ( talk) 18:32, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The section about the blockades is out of place. It should be under "Reactions to the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict".
The Wikipedia article about Zim is a relatively short description of an organization with a history of 70 years. There were probably many similar occurrences in the past but non of them is mentioned. Inserting this section is grossly disproportionate. At most, there should be a link to the "Reactions to the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict".
It should also be noted that the focus of the protest operations is Israel and its government's policy towards the Palestinians. ZIM is targeted because it is identified as an Israeli national company, which is not the case.
Dannyzimrin ( talk) 13:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I notice that a section I created outlining the recent blockade in Oakland, the previous blockade of a Zim ship after the Israeli attack on Gaza Freedom Flotilla, and the planned future blockades of Zim, has been deleted by an anonymous user. Given the special relation of Zim Integrated, and the fact that many wikipedia users are coming to this page in search of this information I think it is important to have a section on this unique aspect of Zim shipping. I will thus restore my addition...
Target of Blockades On August 16th, 2014, the Zim Piraeus was the target of a successful blockade action at the Port of Oakland, involving 2,500 protesters and expressions of support from ILWU members. The action was organized by a coalition of groups that came together in response to the Israeli military activity in Operation Protective Edge and more generally to protest against Israeli policies towards Palestinians in line with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement. Due to community pickets and safety concerns of ILWU members, the ship was unable to unload for 4 days and, according to some reports from workers, then only a limited number of its containers. In 2010, Workers and protesters at the port of Oakland blockaded another Zim vessel in response to the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara Gaza Freedom Flotilla. The 2014 action has attracted international attention[15][16]. Following their initial success Oakland groups are planning future blockades and activist groups in LA and Seattle[17] are also organizing blockades targeting Zim ships.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausrussell ( talk • contribs) 00:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Dannyzimrin ( talk) 13:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I just wanted to draw the attention of all editors to the notice I put at the top of this page. This article falls under the arbitration committee enforcement rules for all articles related to the Arab-Israel conflict. One of the most important rules is that there is a strict prohibition on editing warring. Specifically, editors are prohibited from making more than one "revert" (changing back what an editor did) per 24-hour period. There has been edit warring and it must stop. The controversial material in question must be discussed in accordance with Wikipedia rules pertaining to verifiability and neutrality. Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
There has been extensive edit warring over a section that some editors are seeking to add, current titled "Target of Blockades." This relates to recent efforts by pro-Palestinian activists to prevent unloading of Zim shipping at ports in the United States.
-- Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a request for a citation for "expressions of support from ILWU members". Here is a video of the ILWU member and labor leader Clarence Thomas speaking at the Oakland protest. YouTube: PNN-TV: Longshoremen Speaks for Gaza at Blockade the Boat Action in Oakland Wanted to check that was suitable as a citation before adding it. [btw. I only wish to contribute usefully to this wikipedia and this page and have learned a lot from your comments, thanks!]
Ausrussell ( talk) 21:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Statement from ILWU might serve as citation for 'Due to community pickets and safety concerns of ILWU members' if required http://www.longshoreshippingnews.com/2014/08/volatile-atmosphere-at-gaza-demonstration-prevents-longshoremen-from-entering-port-of-oakland-terminal/
Ausrussell ( talk) 19:46, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Evidence or citation that there was a only limited unloading at Oakland : http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/unpublicized-impact-successful-bds-action Ausrussell ( talk) 00:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
There has been another successful action in Oakland on 27th September, which prevented the unloading of any cargo. There's significant press about it Reuters: Israeli cargo ship heads for L.A. to unload after Oakland protest... and I think worth mentioning the growing internationalism of the campaign... Liverpool Dockers Solidarity with ILWU Local 10 and Oakland Community Picket of ZIM Ships. As requested I'm discussing possible edits to the page and would be happy to help update it as the content is now out of date. I would suggest the growing significance of the campaign against Zim which shows no sign of weakening, is a strong argument for the protests to have their section. Many people will be wanting to read news of Zim in relation to these protests.
Ausrussell ( talk) 00:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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From a version of Dubai Ports World controversy:
Which flags do they fly under?
Who say that the "do it to avoid" the Arab League Boycott of Israel? -- Uncle Ed 14:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
It is evidently untrue that ZIM left the WTC the week before the attacks. The decision to move to Virginia had been made months before and there were still ZIM employees working in the WTC on 9-11. This is explained in two Web log articles that seem to be the best source for this:
http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2008/09/slander-that-just-wont-die-where-does.html http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com/2007/12/sorry-not-convinced-yet-this-post-is.html
Evidently the source of the hoax is Christopher Bolleyn, a well known Holocaust denier and racist associate of David Duke http://www.911review.com/denial/holocaust.html - [[ Mewnews ( talk) 15:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)]]
One week prior to the WTC attack, the Zim Shipping Company moves out of its offices in the WTC, breaking its lease and costing the company $50,000. No reason has ever been given, but Zim Shipping Company is half owned by the State of Israel (The Rothschilds). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovetherothschilds ( talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I researched this and found on here http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=zim-american_israeli_shipping_co. it referenced it to Newspaper Articles in The Virginia Pilot back in 2001. Christopher's article were 2002. http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/AmericanFreePress0902.html . This page http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2012/05/zim-israel-navigation-company.html links to about a hundred news articles on how they did move out weeks before 9/11. Are you ready for IPv6? ( talk) 14:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement over whether the placement of this section on the Zim Integrated Shipping Services page is appropriate. After many attempts by a number of anonymous users to completely remove the section, I had restored the section with the justification that these protests are not strictly in response to Israel's 2014 offensive in Gaza, but rather part of an ongoing and years-long effort. The most recent example of this is a similar effort taken in 2010 in response to Israel's assault on the Mavi Marmara flotilla.
In addition to this, the protesting of Zim's shipping services has made international news - as outlined in the very section in question - thus it would make the most sense to keep this as its own section on the Zim Shipping Wikipedia page, as these efforts continue.
Regarding the word count and proportionality, the fact that a section outlining protests directed at particular company has grown in light of new details should not be an argument for its removal. It is still a minor section relative to the rest of the article.
Iproofreadwiki ( talk) 18:32, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The section about the blockades is out of place. It should be under "Reactions to the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict".
The Wikipedia article about Zim is a relatively short description of an organization with a history of 70 years. There were probably many similar occurrences in the past but non of them is mentioned. Inserting this section is grossly disproportionate. At most, there should be a link to the "Reactions to the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict".
It should also be noted that the focus of the protest operations is Israel and its government's policy towards the Palestinians. ZIM is targeted because it is identified as an Israeli national company, which is not the case.
Dannyzimrin ( talk) 13:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I notice that a section I created outlining the recent blockade in Oakland, the previous blockade of a Zim ship after the Israeli attack on Gaza Freedom Flotilla, and the planned future blockades of Zim, has been deleted by an anonymous user. Given the special relation of Zim Integrated, and the fact that many wikipedia users are coming to this page in search of this information I think it is important to have a section on this unique aspect of Zim shipping. I will thus restore my addition...
Target of Blockades On August 16th, 2014, the Zim Piraeus was the target of a successful blockade action at the Port of Oakland, involving 2,500 protesters and expressions of support from ILWU members. The action was organized by a coalition of groups that came together in response to the Israeli military activity in Operation Protective Edge and more generally to protest against Israeli policies towards Palestinians in line with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement. Due to community pickets and safety concerns of ILWU members, the ship was unable to unload for 4 days and, according to some reports from workers, then only a limited number of its containers. In 2010, Workers and protesters at the port of Oakland blockaded another Zim vessel in response to the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara Gaza Freedom Flotilla. The 2014 action has attracted international attention[15][16]. Following their initial success Oakland groups are planning future blockades and activist groups in LA and Seattle[17] are also organizing blockades targeting Zim ships.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausrussell ( talk • contribs) 00:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Dannyzimrin ( talk) 13:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I just wanted to draw the attention of all editors to the notice I put at the top of this page. This article falls under the arbitration committee enforcement rules for all articles related to the Arab-Israel conflict. One of the most important rules is that there is a strict prohibition on editing warring. Specifically, editors are prohibited from making more than one "revert" (changing back what an editor did) per 24-hour period. There has been edit warring and it must stop. The controversial material in question must be discussed in accordance with Wikipedia rules pertaining to verifiability and neutrality. Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
There has been extensive edit warring over a section that some editors are seeking to add, current titled "Target of Blockades." This relates to recent efforts by pro-Palestinian activists to prevent unloading of Zim shipping at ports in the United States.
-- Figureofnine ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a request for a citation for "expressions of support from ILWU members". Here is a video of the ILWU member and labor leader Clarence Thomas speaking at the Oakland protest. YouTube: PNN-TV: Longshoremen Speaks for Gaza at Blockade the Boat Action in Oakland Wanted to check that was suitable as a citation before adding it. [btw. I only wish to contribute usefully to this wikipedia and this page and have learned a lot from your comments, thanks!]
Ausrussell ( talk) 21:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Statement from ILWU might serve as citation for 'Due to community pickets and safety concerns of ILWU members' if required http://www.longshoreshippingnews.com/2014/08/volatile-atmosphere-at-gaza-demonstration-prevents-longshoremen-from-entering-port-of-oakland-terminal/
Ausrussell ( talk) 19:46, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Evidence or citation that there was a only limited unloading at Oakland : http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/unpublicized-impact-successful-bds-action Ausrussell ( talk) 00:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
There has been another successful action in Oakland on 27th September, which prevented the unloading of any cargo. There's significant press about it Reuters: Israeli cargo ship heads for L.A. to unload after Oakland protest... and I think worth mentioning the growing internationalism of the campaign... Liverpool Dockers Solidarity with ILWU Local 10 and Oakland Community Picket of ZIM Ships. As requested I'm discussing possible edits to the page and would be happy to help update it as the content is now out of date. I would suggest the growing significance of the campaign against Zim which shows no sign of weakening, is a strong argument for the protests to have their section. Many people will be wanting to read news of Zim in relation to these protests.
Ausrussell ( talk) 00:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)