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Why is zeta popular in furry fandom? -- SPUI ( T - C) 14:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Zeta (letter) →
Zeta — Since the Greek letter is prominent enough that the term "zeta" should go there instead of a disambiguation page. —
Yath 08:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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, then sign your comment with ~~~~
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polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.This article has been renamed from Zeta (letter) to Zeta as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 11:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to point out that Ionic (and Doric) σσ (which is regular in the Koine, as well) corresponds to Attic (and Boeotian) ττ, which seems to go back to *[ts] via an intermediate *[θθ] (this sound change has a neat parallel in the Finnish dialects). Interestingly, *[st] in some Greek dialects seems to have merged with *[θθ] and is spelled σσ or ττ respectively (which can be paralleled with developments in Celtic where *[st] becomes [θθ] or [ss], except in Celtiberian). It is tempting to think that the voiced equivalents of *[ts] and *[st] developped in a parallel fashion: First, *[dz] became *[ðð], and *[zd] merged with this sound in various dialects. Then, it became *[zz] in Ionic (but it does not seem to have become [dd] in Attic - on the other hand, perhaps Attic ττ was really a spelling for [θθ] - or even [ts], as suggested in Ancient Greek phonology - anyway, and ζ was likewise a spelling for [ðð] - or even [dz] - in Attic). Then we would have [zz] in the Koine just as we have [ss], and this is (besides the retention of original *[st]) in fact what we find. (Modern Standard Greek, predictably, simplifies the geminates.) This kind of reasoning (paralleling the voiced sounds with the voiceless ones) is not new if one looks at the arguments in favour of [zd] and against. Therefore I think it would be worthwhile to examine if the assumption that *[zd] and *[dz] developped in a manner (largely) parallel to *[st] and *[ts] explains all the facts. Florian Blaschke ( talk) 01:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to ad my two cents. The entire debate seems to reflect the English problems of ascian (ask) / axian (aks) and tascian (task, "to require") / taxian (taks, "to require").
It is generally accepted by linguists that the easier to pronounce variant, while more common in the language as a whole, comes later. The harder to pronounce variant would have arisen as a newer word -- relative to the language -- for a newly discussed phenomenon. Over time the majority of people have an easier time with a different pronunciation, so it changes. Thus, ask -> aks, task -> tax, and -dz- -> -zd-. 173.30.103.80 ( talk) 10:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
...Are how I would describe this article. It's biased towards the zd pronunciation with weasel-words such as "most handbooks", contains no footnotes (i.e. I have no idea where to search for the facts in the books in the reference list, even if such facts are contained within them) and mentions authors who lived 500 years after the classical time or have been filtered down to us through Alexandrian scholars. Servus Triviae ( talk) 22:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
A person identifying as a zoophile told me that this symbol, Zeta, has been used by zoophiles as a way of identifying themselves to others. Should this be part of this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.22.201 ( talk) 23:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC) EDIT: They're citing this page. http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Zoophilia 86.167.22.201 ( talk) 23:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
In the first argument in favor of a historical value of [zd] for zeta, it mentions that [dz] is more likely because [zd] would violate the sonority hierarchy. However, the sonority hierarchy is only really relative to the position of a cluster in the syllable, so while [zd] might be bad (depending on a language's minimal sonority distance) in the onset because the sequence proceeds from greater to lesser sonority (then followed by a vowel, presumably, which would have the greatest sonority), this is expected in the coda.
Based on that, I think mention of sonority hierarchy should be removed from this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.13.11 ( talk) 19:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Am I the only one feeling that the treatment of this is getting a bit out of control? There is a whole section with several point "for", another "against", and each point has a "contra" for each point "for" or "against"; and, now, 129.101.91.240 has been expanding it a lot with several unrelated but parallel examples from Slavic languages. I call it overkill. LjL ( talk) 23:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
The article claims there is no distinction between Zeta, and the Latin letter Z in Swedish. This is inaccurate, as there is a distinction in both pronunciation and spelling (although letters are rarely spelled out in Swedish). Zeta is spelled Zeta and pronounced with an ⟨e⟩, and Z is spelled Zäta, and pronounced with an ⟨æ⟩. -- AwaweWiki ( talk) 20:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
As of an unknown date, zoophiles have started using this symbol as a way to identify each other. Potentially related to the use of Theta Delta for therian communities. Multiple other symbols have been used in this way, but this is the only one I've managed to decipher thus far. Not sure if this is important enough to make it onto the page, but it's prevalent enough that I've decided to at least make a comment about it. Myth ( talk) 03:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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Why is zeta popular in furry fandom? -- SPUI ( T - C) 14:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Zeta (letter) →
Zeta — Since the Greek letter is prominent enough that the term "zeta" should go there instead of a disambiguation page. —
Yath 08:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.This article has been renamed from Zeta (letter) to Zeta as the result of a move request. -- Stemonitis 11:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to point out that Ionic (and Doric) σσ (which is regular in the Koine, as well) corresponds to Attic (and Boeotian) ττ, which seems to go back to *[ts] via an intermediate *[θθ] (this sound change has a neat parallel in the Finnish dialects). Interestingly, *[st] in some Greek dialects seems to have merged with *[θθ] and is spelled σσ or ττ respectively (which can be paralleled with developments in Celtic where *[st] becomes [θθ] or [ss], except in Celtiberian). It is tempting to think that the voiced equivalents of *[ts] and *[st] developped in a parallel fashion: First, *[dz] became *[ðð], and *[zd] merged with this sound in various dialects. Then, it became *[zz] in Ionic (but it does not seem to have become [dd] in Attic - on the other hand, perhaps Attic ττ was really a spelling for [θθ] - or even [ts], as suggested in Ancient Greek phonology - anyway, and ζ was likewise a spelling for [ðð] - or even [dz] - in Attic). Then we would have [zz] in the Koine just as we have [ss], and this is (besides the retention of original *[st]) in fact what we find. (Modern Standard Greek, predictably, simplifies the geminates.) This kind of reasoning (paralleling the voiced sounds with the voiceless ones) is not new if one looks at the arguments in favour of [zd] and against. Therefore I think it would be worthwhile to examine if the assumption that *[zd] and *[dz] developped in a manner (largely) parallel to *[st] and *[ts] explains all the facts. Florian Blaschke ( talk) 01:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to ad my two cents. The entire debate seems to reflect the English problems of ascian (ask) / axian (aks) and tascian (task, "to require") / taxian (taks, "to require").
It is generally accepted by linguists that the easier to pronounce variant, while more common in the language as a whole, comes later. The harder to pronounce variant would have arisen as a newer word -- relative to the language -- for a newly discussed phenomenon. Over time the majority of people have an easier time with a different pronunciation, so it changes. Thus, ask -> aks, task -> tax, and -dz- -> -zd-. 173.30.103.80 ( talk) 10:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
...Are how I would describe this article. It's biased towards the zd pronunciation with weasel-words such as "most handbooks", contains no footnotes (i.e. I have no idea where to search for the facts in the books in the reference list, even if such facts are contained within them) and mentions authors who lived 500 years after the classical time or have been filtered down to us through Alexandrian scholars. Servus Triviae ( talk) 22:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
A person identifying as a zoophile told me that this symbol, Zeta, has been used by zoophiles as a way of identifying themselves to others. Should this be part of this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.22.201 ( talk) 23:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC) EDIT: They're citing this page. http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Zoophilia 86.167.22.201 ( talk) 23:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
In the first argument in favor of a historical value of [zd] for zeta, it mentions that [dz] is more likely because [zd] would violate the sonority hierarchy. However, the sonority hierarchy is only really relative to the position of a cluster in the syllable, so while [zd] might be bad (depending on a language's minimal sonority distance) in the onset because the sequence proceeds from greater to lesser sonority (then followed by a vowel, presumably, which would have the greatest sonority), this is expected in the coda.
Based on that, I think mention of sonority hierarchy should be removed from this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.13.11 ( talk) 19:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Am I the only one feeling that the treatment of this is getting a bit out of control? There is a whole section with several point "for", another "against", and each point has a "contra" for each point "for" or "against"; and, now, 129.101.91.240 has been expanding it a lot with several unrelated but parallel examples from Slavic languages. I call it overkill. LjL ( talk) 23:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
The article claims there is no distinction between Zeta, and the Latin letter Z in Swedish. This is inaccurate, as there is a distinction in both pronunciation and spelling (although letters are rarely spelled out in Swedish). Zeta is spelled Zeta and pronounced with an ⟨e⟩, and Z is spelled Zäta, and pronounced with an ⟨æ⟩. -- AwaweWiki ( talk) 20:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
As of an unknown date, zoophiles have started using this symbol as a way to identify each other. Potentially related to the use of Theta Delta for therian communities. Multiple other symbols have been used in this way, but this is the only one I've managed to decipher thus far. Not sure if this is important enough to make it onto the page, but it's prevalent enough that I've decided to at least make a comment about it. Myth ( talk) 03:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)