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You mean who's the largest discount chain in Canada (Canadian or foreign-owned)? That would be Wal-Mart. J2rome 04:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
At present, HBC's Store Locator lists 279 Zellers stores. I'm changing the article's assertion (that there are 291 Zellers locations) and linking to the Store Locator as a citation. — NRen2k5 05:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
My local Zellers still has a Zeddy costume and still uses it on special occasions. And his image still shows up on a good deal of paperwork. As far as I can tell, Zellers still has Zeddy as a mascot; he just doesn't figure as much into advertising and signage as he used to. — NRen2k5( TALK), 23:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
As of Feb. 5th, 2009, Zellers discontinued the sale of their products online. See here Maybe this can be added in? Related to this, why in the world would they stop online sales? 24.67.52.119 ( talk) 02:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
All the news reports announced today (January 13, 2011) indicate the vast majority of Zeller stores have been sold to Target. That is 220 out of 279 existing stores are now, or will soon be, owned by Target (and The Hudson's Bay Company will lease these stores from Target over the next year, while they're still operating as Zellers). Now my understanding is over the coming months these will ALL be converted into Target stores, while the remaining 59 stores kept by HBC will eventually be sold off to other store chains. In otherwords, the complete disappearance of Zellers stores. Right? The article seems to indicate otherwise, that...
"about 50 to 60 locations will be retained by HBC and will continue to operate as Zellers stores."
Is that short term, or indefinitely? Again, all the news reports seem to indicate the store chain will disappear completely within the next year or two. Which ever direction is correct, it needs to be made clear in the article-- Apple2gs ( talk) 23:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I was speaking to a friend who works in one of the "orphan stores" he was saying that all the orphan stores have been given notice they are closing in march. Some of these stores have very long terms left in the leases so the question is what is being done with these sites? we dont know. Soyonsexpositifs ( talk) 14:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (infoboxes). The infobox is for presenting key facts. Who owns a company is a key fact. Very much so. If you feel that the infobox is too detailed, then parent should be removed, not owner. Who owns a company is information of more value than what the parent company is. - tSR - Nth Man ( talk) 16:15, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, could you please get the current store count as of the current day? 76.69.130.32 ( talk) 15:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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Zeddy has now been adopted by Camp Trillium, please update Zeddy section of the Zellers page to mention that Thanks! 76.69.124.85 ( talk) 20:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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The infobox says the Zellers headquarters were located in Brampton, Ontario. This jives with the second sentence of the History section. (The chain began [...] in Southern Ontario.) But the '1990s–2000s' section of the history says "In 1996, HBC closed its Zellers head office in Montreal". Apparently, the head office was moved between 1931 and 1996, but there's no mention of that anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.239.48 ( talk) 00:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please take high quality pictures of any of the three remaining Zellers stores? This should include both the outside and the inside. Please keep yourself stable while taking the picture (don't move or shake!), use a high quality camera if possible (not cell phone) and make sure the picture quality (focus, colours, etc.) is right. Thanks! -- LABcrabs ( talk) 16:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
HI everyone a new zellers store opened today, in ottawa,
i am forwarding a link to support this claim
please update the main site
http://www.cfra.com/news/2014/03/31/zellers-to-reopen-at-bells-corners
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Looks like Zellers will outlive Target. Should anything of Target's failure and closure be mentioned here? (since it is about former store locations) -- 65.94.40.137 ( talk) 10:29, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
The article starts with the words "Zellers Inc. is....", speaking of the store in present tense, implying that it still operates and exists. It goes on to describe it as liquidation centre "chain". Is this entirely accurate? For all intents and purposes the Zellers that had been around for 82 years is no more, in fact the info box even lists its status as 'Defunct'. This article is about that Canadian store chain and it no longer exists, therefore it should state "Zellers Inc. was...".
Yes, there are two former stores that have been re-purposed as liquidation centers, but apart from the name, they have absolutely no relation to the Zellers chain that ceases to exists. These two stores may as well be called the "HBC Liquidation Outlet Store". Is there a Zellers website? No. Are there flyers? No. Are there television ads? No. More importantly, do they have a restaurant or any of the other features that made Zellers...well, Zellers? Not that I'm aware. And with two stores, I'd be hard pressed to call it a "chain". Personally I think the article should open with "Zellers was a Canadian discount chain store", and then somewhere within the article a sub-section describing the two liquidation center stores that happen to borrow/recycle the old name. Any opinions on this?-- Apple2gs ( talk) 22:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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The reason I ask is because there is a photo of an ad dated Friday August 3, 1928 from the London Free Press showing a branch of the store opening at 176 Dundas Street, London Ontario. This is posted on the London Vintage Facebook page. The ad references an exiting chain of Zellers stores, which probably means the first would be years before this date.
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What one location later became, what happened to the store that replaced it and what happened to stores in the same location several iteration later is all irrelevant to Zellers, the subject of this article. I've removed most of that info.
At present, we have about a dozen photos of stores. This seems excessive, especially the photos incorporating large parking moats. Yes, a photo or two giving a general idea of a typical location makes sense. A parking lot and unrelated stores at a randomly selected location does not inform readers about the chain. Thoughts? - SummerPhD v2.0 19:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
The company is legitimate. Here is proof: https://imgur.com/Bv8ObLF. You can obtain this by searching for Zellers at https://www.registreentreprises.gouv.qc.ca/fr/default.aspx. I am now reverting the changes. Zellers Inc ( talk) 04:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
1. Thank you for the the question. I intend to continue Zellers as a department store, have opened locations and am opening many more. Zellers will carry on its legacy.
The picture was merely the results of a search on the government company listing. Going to that website and performing a search for Zellers, or any other company, is how you tell if a company is legitimate here. I can post a video of going on the website and how to use the search, but it seemed sufficient. These questions are answered in articles that have been written about Zellers, and I will include them. I am editing the page again with every article written about Zellers included. If this is unacceptable, I will revert it and we may discuss here as you ask. This time, hopefully everything is very clear.
To avoid any disagreement, I will post links to articles that I will find appropriate places to include, and you can review them. In 24 hours, I will make the changes, and we can discuss further, will save you a lot of reading. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/costofliving/zellers-moniz-family-hbc-1.6241397 https://les2rives.com/robert-manuel-moniz-assure-oeuvrer-en-toute-legalite/ https://retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2021/10/quebec-family-nabs-zellers-trademark-from-hbc-to-open-small-format-zellers-stores-and-restaurants/ https://www.goodmansip.ca/post/hbc-sues-quebec-family-for-using-the-zellers-brand https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/entreprises/2021-10-18/utilisation-de-la-marque-zellers/la-baie-d-hudson-poursuit-un-detaillant-quebecois.php https://www.soreltracy.com/robert-manuel-moniz-assure-oeuvrer-en-toute-legalite/ https://www.breageeknews.fr/kipker-dont-la-famille-est-poursuivie-par-la-baie-dhudson-pour-la-marque-de-commerce-de-zellers-dit-quil-nabandonne-pas/ https://lesactualites.news/affaires/la-famille-de-detaillants-du-quebec-ne-se-rend-pas-a-la-baie-dhudson-au-sujet-de-la-marque-zellers/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8274164/hudson-bay-quebec-retailer-zellers-lawsuit/ https://curiocity.com/a-canadian-family-got-the-zellers-trademark-opened-up-rogue-stores-now-the-bay-is-suing/ https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/hudson-s-bay-sues-quebec-retailer-alleging-trademark-infringement-of-zellers-brand-1.5627621 https://hardlines.ca/gp_dailynews/hbc-sues-over-zellers-name/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-hudsons-bay-sues-quebec-retailer-alleging-trademark-infringement-of/ https://www.mondaq.com/canada/trademark/1130328/hbc-trademark-troubles--a-review-of-the-zellers-trademark-dispute-between-hbc-and-a-quebec-retail-family https://www.nouvelles-du-monde.com/hbc-poursuit-une-famille-de-detaillants-au-quebec-pour-avoir-utilise-le-nom-de-zellers/https://bripgroup.com/2021/trademarks/zellers-is-back-or-is-it/ https://kiosque.dbc.ca/ePaper/xml_epaper/2Rives/26_10_2021/pla_1202_2_Rives_(Les)/pdf_pags/1202.pdf https://www.pressreader.com/canada/times-colonist/20211019/281702617909414 https://news7h.com/hudsons-bay-sues-quebec-retail-family-over-alleged-trademark-infringement-of-zellers-brand/ https://patentable.com/hudsons-bay-company-enforces-defunct-zellers-brand-against-quebec-retailing-family/ https://worldnewstimes.com/quebecer-whose-family-is-being-sued-by-hudsons-bay-over-zellers-brand-says-hes-not-surrendering/ https://techiai.com/quebec-retailing-family-sued-by-hbc-for-improper-use-of-zellers-brand-name-cbc-news/ https://fa.news/articles/hbc_sues_family_over_use_of_zellers_brand-37602/ https://todaynewspost.com/news/business-news/quebec-retailing-family-not-surrendering-to-hudsons-bay-over-zellers-brand-cbc-radio/ https://www.iqstock.news/n/quebec-retailing-family-surrendering-hudson-bay-zellers-brand-2971098/https://actualitescanada.com/la-baie-dhudson-poursuit-le-detaillant-quebecois-pour-contrefacon-de-la-marque-zellers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/q78saa/quebec_family_nabs_zellers_trademark_from_hbc_to/ https://planetconcerns.com/amp/hbc-sues-quebec-retailing-family-for-using-the-zellers-name/ https://www.habeasdata.org/el-comercio-minorista-familiar-de-quebec-no-se-rinda-a-la-bahia-de-hudson-en-la-marca-zellers/ https://perilofafrica.com/2021/10/hbc-sues-quebec-retailing-family-for-using-zellers-name.html https://www.espanol.news/quebecer-cuya-familia-esta-siendo-demandada-por-la-bahia-de-hudson-por-la-marca-zellers-dice-que-no-se-rinde/ https://interreviewed.com/hudsons-bay-sues-quebec-retail-family-over-alleged-trademark-infringement-of-zellers-brand/ https://forums.redflagdeals.com/return-zellers-2491394/5/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertMMoniz ( talk • contribs)
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The story was really funny. How he used to have 200 million dollars worth of buildings and tha stole everything and got the people who took the houses to talk about how much of a house thief he was when I can easily verify he owned the houses they are giving the interview from the day before was less funny. And they put he stole a car for driving in his brother's car when his brother didn't have a problem and the charges were clearly dropped, reminds me of others I know. There no way all the bloodthirsty sharks of this city are eating someone if he doesn't have a good tasty heart for them, add that to the fact he bought Zellers on top of it, I am personally going to write a new season of Bad Blood and pitch it to Netflix if I finish, the story has so many ups and downs you can not miss the gold here as an author.
As for this line: "trademark filings by an unrelated group that...", we know who the unrelated group is, it's the Moniz family. Unrelated is a good word to put there, clarifies, but it's not a group. It says it later "HBC is suing the group". There's no reason for ambiguity here. The section goes on to describe the current state of affairs and their hopes for the company's future. A description of what the "Moniz Zellers" currently are would fit there, I think I saw an article, I will get to it and also never promise to finish judging a debate on a page again. Also, was Retail Insider the first to publish on this? It seems there are many articles, and writing it around that if it's not the first is like saying "a local paper indicates an earthquake in another country". If it isn't the "trade... Insider" should be changed to "many media outlets", and if there were the first then this is accurate. Someone please do check. Also as far as I know there is only one "kmart Canada" location that the family opened. Please anyone find the right reference from that pile of articles and maybe say where. If you go to the Registre des Entreprise de Quebec, you can see that the Moniz people do not own "KMART", but they do own "KMART CANADA". That is an error. Also I don't know why brands is pluralized here. If we want to discuss the other brands they bought, what exactly do we write about dear Zeddy here? Finally, " a trademark on the Zellers logo": what trademarks related to Zellers does HBC (no S) currently own? If that is interesting and not lengthy maybe it should be here, but I say no because it is subject to change based on the trial in progress. - Making this change: "Subsequent reporting by trade publication Retail Insider indicates the pop-up location may have been prompted by trademark filings by the Moniz family that has opened two stores under the Zellers (as well one Kmart Canada) brand, after HBC allowed a trademark on the Zellers logo to expire in 2020; HBC is suing the Moniz family to prevent what it alleges to be unauthorized use of a brand that it still controls.[53]" |
I agree that "unrelated" is a good word and should be there, but group is not a correct term; it's really just that guy but legally the family owns it. I will immediately change KMART United States to KMART Canada, that is an error. I propose: "an unrelated family" for the first mention, and "HBC is suing the Moniz family" for the second mention now that everyone is aware that they are unrelated.
Furthermore, I take back what I said about putting the Moniz Zellers on the top. The company does have patriotic branding and it would look bad for a company many associate with Canada to have their legal troubles plastered at the top of this page. The entire line, "In August 2021, the Zellers brand was relaunched as a pop-up shop (store-within-a-store) at the Hudson's Bay store located in the Burlington Centre shopping mall.[4]" at the top of the page will be removed now, it already appears below, and I don't want to risk someone putting the other Zellers with it and the article starts with a fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadiansteve ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I hope this page is semi-protected. GoodDay ( talk) 19:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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By copying all the text source here and apply it to article, it will give this result. It will be up-to-date. Robert Manuel Moniz ( talk) 04:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
In the interest of discussing this and getting consensus, I have reverted another editor who insists on adding that Zellers has been rebooted as of today. That's quite the
crystalball considering the sole source for this is a just released press release that says "Canadian department store Zellers hopes to make a comeback next year"
(emphasis, mine). Hopes does not mean it will happen and like anything else, the article should not change the status until such a time that 1.) more sources and a wide variety of RS are available reporting this and 2.) it actually happens.
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Retail analyst Bruce Winder said the reintroduction of Zellers likely stems in part from the lawsuit.
"It's most likely related to the legal issue with the trademarks," he said. "For Zellers to really say, 'This is ours,' they have to show that they're using it."
Zellers will face an uphill battle from entrenched competitors in the discount retail marketplace, he said.
"It could be a niche opportunity and I hope it works, but I just don't see it coming back successfully en masse."
Is reviving the "name", the same as reviving the discount department retail chain itself? Will a separate page need creating, when the time comes, with this page being re-named Zellers (1931–2020) or Zellers (1931–2013)? GoodDay ( talk) 18:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Zellers is a Canadian pop-up shop ( store-within-a-store) brand, located within Hudson's Bay stores in Canada, with additional locations anticipated in early 2023. The brand formerly refered to a discount department retail chain that operated stores throughout Canada for 82 years.
I would apply this edit myself, but as I work in retail, it may be a conflict of interest. Therefore, I am simply presenting a suggestion. -- LABcrabs ( talk) 22:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
As part of the return this spring 2023,
Could you add a new information about The Zellers Family Restaurant’s return as a food truck please? It’s on the Canadian News, thanks. :) 96.55.62.202 ( talk) 01:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Is there another article for the relaunch of Zellers? If not, why does the source of the page tell editors not to update the article, in essence instructing them to keep incorrect/out of date information?
The brand is relaunching, as soon as I looked it up online I immediately noticed that the language of the article still says "Zellers was" and I went to change it but was stopped by the notice.
I'm also somewhat opposed to a proposition for a separate section of the article solely for the relaunch; if anything, the "old" Zellers should get its own section while the main article focuses on the new.
I am somewhat new to editing so I don't know if the notice in the source has any actual authority, but would rather play it safe. Celeron64 ( talk) 03:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Since the Zellers brand has been re-launched, there have been questions as to why the past-tense "was" is being used, and that's because this article refers to the former chain stores that themselves have not been re-launched, not the actual brand itself. Because of the recent and persistent coverage of the its return, I'm wondering if considering an article split might be worth it. As an example, this Zellers article could focus on the Zellers company and its former/now re-launched brand, while information about the former chain stores could be split into an article such as Zellers (store) or some similar name. This would somewhat match what is currently being done with the Hudson's Bay Company and Hudson's Bay (department store), and would be a way to prevent some misinterpretations of describing Zellers in the past tense. – Handoto ( talk) 19:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
The Bells Corners, Ottawa store was a former Kmart, as I can tell by the shape of the storefront. 24.59.245.106 ( talk) 01:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
by the shape of the storefrontis not something we can use. Meters ( talk) 06:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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You mean who's the largest discount chain in Canada (Canadian or foreign-owned)? That would be Wal-Mart. J2rome 04:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
At present, HBC's Store Locator lists 279 Zellers stores. I'm changing the article's assertion (that there are 291 Zellers locations) and linking to the Store Locator as a citation. — NRen2k5 05:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
My local Zellers still has a Zeddy costume and still uses it on special occasions. And his image still shows up on a good deal of paperwork. As far as I can tell, Zellers still has Zeddy as a mascot; he just doesn't figure as much into advertising and signage as he used to. — NRen2k5( TALK), 23:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
As of Feb. 5th, 2009, Zellers discontinued the sale of their products online. See here Maybe this can be added in? Related to this, why in the world would they stop online sales? 24.67.52.119 ( talk) 02:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
All the news reports announced today (January 13, 2011) indicate the vast majority of Zeller stores have been sold to Target. That is 220 out of 279 existing stores are now, or will soon be, owned by Target (and The Hudson's Bay Company will lease these stores from Target over the next year, while they're still operating as Zellers). Now my understanding is over the coming months these will ALL be converted into Target stores, while the remaining 59 stores kept by HBC will eventually be sold off to other store chains. In otherwords, the complete disappearance of Zellers stores. Right? The article seems to indicate otherwise, that...
"about 50 to 60 locations will be retained by HBC and will continue to operate as Zellers stores."
Is that short term, or indefinitely? Again, all the news reports seem to indicate the store chain will disappear completely within the next year or two. Which ever direction is correct, it needs to be made clear in the article-- Apple2gs ( talk) 23:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I was speaking to a friend who works in one of the "orphan stores" he was saying that all the orphan stores have been given notice they are closing in march. Some of these stores have very long terms left in the leases so the question is what is being done with these sites? we dont know. Soyonsexpositifs ( talk) 14:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
See: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (infoboxes). The infobox is for presenting key facts. Who owns a company is a key fact. Very much so. If you feel that the infobox is too detailed, then parent should be removed, not owner. Who owns a company is information of more value than what the parent company is. - tSR - Nth Man ( talk) 16:15, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, could you please get the current store count as of the current day? 76.69.130.32 ( talk) 15:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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Zeddy has now been adopted by Camp Trillium, please update Zeddy section of the Zellers page to mention that Thanks! 76.69.124.85 ( talk) 20:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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The infobox says the Zellers headquarters were located in Brampton, Ontario. This jives with the second sentence of the History section. (The chain began [...] in Southern Ontario.) But the '1990s–2000s' section of the history says "In 1996, HBC closed its Zellers head office in Montreal". Apparently, the head office was moved between 1931 and 1996, but there's no mention of that anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.239.48 ( talk) 00:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Can someone please take high quality pictures of any of the three remaining Zellers stores? This should include both the outside and the inside. Please keep yourself stable while taking the picture (don't move or shake!), use a high quality camera if possible (not cell phone) and make sure the picture quality (focus, colours, etc.) is right. Thanks! -- LABcrabs ( talk) 16:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
HI everyone a new zellers store opened today, in ottawa,
i am forwarding a link to support this claim
please update the main site
http://www.cfra.com/news/2014/03/31/zellers-to-reopen-at-bells-corners
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Looks like Zellers will outlive Target. Should anything of Target's failure and closure be mentioned here? (since it is about former store locations) -- 65.94.40.137 ( talk) 10:29, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
The article starts with the words "Zellers Inc. is....", speaking of the store in present tense, implying that it still operates and exists. It goes on to describe it as liquidation centre "chain". Is this entirely accurate? For all intents and purposes the Zellers that had been around for 82 years is no more, in fact the info box even lists its status as 'Defunct'. This article is about that Canadian store chain and it no longer exists, therefore it should state "Zellers Inc. was...".
Yes, there are two former stores that have been re-purposed as liquidation centers, but apart from the name, they have absolutely no relation to the Zellers chain that ceases to exists. These two stores may as well be called the "HBC Liquidation Outlet Store". Is there a Zellers website? No. Are there flyers? No. Are there television ads? No. More importantly, do they have a restaurant or any of the other features that made Zellers...well, Zellers? Not that I'm aware. And with two stores, I'd be hard pressed to call it a "chain". Personally I think the article should open with "Zellers was a Canadian discount chain store", and then somewhere within the article a sub-section describing the two liquidation center stores that happen to borrow/recycle the old name. Any opinions on this?-- Apple2gs ( talk) 22:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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The reason I ask is because there is a photo of an ad dated Friday August 3, 1928 from the London Free Press showing a branch of the store opening at 176 Dundas Street, London Ontario. This is posted on the London Vintage Facebook page. The ad references an exiting chain of Zellers stores, which probably means the first would be years before this date.
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What one location later became, what happened to the store that replaced it and what happened to stores in the same location several iteration later is all irrelevant to Zellers, the subject of this article. I've removed most of that info.
At present, we have about a dozen photos of stores. This seems excessive, especially the photos incorporating large parking moats. Yes, a photo or two giving a general idea of a typical location makes sense. A parking lot and unrelated stores at a randomly selected location does not inform readers about the chain. Thoughts? - SummerPhD v2.0 19:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
The company is legitimate. Here is proof: https://imgur.com/Bv8ObLF. You can obtain this by searching for Zellers at https://www.registreentreprises.gouv.qc.ca/fr/default.aspx. I am now reverting the changes. Zellers Inc ( talk) 04:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
1. Thank you for the the question. I intend to continue Zellers as a department store, have opened locations and am opening many more. Zellers will carry on its legacy.
The picture was merely the results of a search on the government company listing. Going to that website and performing a search for Zellers, or any other company, is how you tell if a company is legitimate here. I can post a video of going on the website and how to use the search, but it seemed sufficient. These questions are answered in articles that have been written about Zellers, and I will include them. I am editing the page again with every article written about Zellers included. If this is unacceptable, I will revert it and we may discuss here as you ask. This time, hopefully everything is very clear.
To avoid any disagreement, I will post links to articles that I will find appropriate places to include, and you can review them. In 24 hours, I will make the changes, and we can discuss further, will save you a lot of reading. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/costofliving/zellers-moniz-family-hbc-1.6241397 https://les2rives.com/robert-manuel-moniz-assure-oeuvrer-en-toute-legalite/ https://retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2021/10/quebec-family-nabs-zellers-trademark-from-hbc-to-open-small-format-zellers-stores-and-restaurants/ https://www.goodmansip.ca/post/hbc-sues-quebec-family-for-using-the-zellers-brand https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/entreprises/2021-10-18/utilisation-de-la-marque-zellers/la-baie-d-hudson-poursuit-un-detaillant-quebecois.php https://www.soreltracy.com/robert-manuel-moniz-assure-oeuvrer-en-toute-legalite/ https://www.breageeknews.fr/kipker-dont-la-famille-est-poursuivie-par-la-baie-dhudson-pour-la-marque-de-commerce-de-zellers-dit-quil-nabandonne-pas/ https://lesactualites.news/affaires/la-famille-de-detaillants-du-quebec-ne-se-rend-pas-a-la-baie-dhudson-au-sujet-de-la-marque-zellers/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8274164/hudson-bay-quebec-retailer-zellers-lawsuit/ https://curiocity.com/a-canadian-family-got-the-zellers-trademark-opened-up-rogue-stores-now-the-bay-is-suing/ https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/hudson-s-bay-sues-quebec-retailer-alleging-trademark-infringement-of-zellers-brand-1.5627621 https://hardlines.ca/gp_dailynews/hbc-sues-over-zellers-name/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-hudsons-bay-sues-quebec-retailer-alleging-trademark-infringement-of/ https://www.mondaq.com/canada/trademark/1130328/hbc-trademark-troubles--a-review-of-the-zellers-trademark-dispute-between-hbc-and-a-quebec-retail-family https://www.nouvelles-du-monde.com/hbc-poursuit-une-famille-de-detaillants-au-quebec-pour-avoir-utilise-le-nom-de-zellers/https://bripgroup.com/2021/trademarks/zellers-is-back-or-is-it/ https://kiosque.dbc.ca/ePaper/xml_epaper/2Rives/26_10_2021/pla_1202_2_Rives_(Les)/pdf_pags/1202.pdf https://www.pressreader.com/canada/times-colonist/20211019/281702617909414 https://news7h.com/hudsons-bay-sues-quebec-retail-family-over-alleged-trademark-infringement-of-zellers-brand/ https://patentable.com/hudsons-bay-company-enforces-defunct-zellers-brand-against-quebec-retailing-family/ https://worldnewstimes.com/quebecer-whose-family-is-being-sued-by-hudsons-bay-over-zellers-brand-says-hes-not-surrendering/ https://techiai.com/quebec-retailing-family-sued-by-hbc-for-improper-use-of-zellers-brand-name-cbc-news/ https://fa.news/articles/hbc_sues_family_over_use_of_zellers_brand-37602/ https://todaynewspost.com/news/business-news/quebec-retailing-family-not-surrendering-to-hudsons-bay-over-zellers-brand-cbc-radio/ https://www.iqstock.news/n/quebec-retailing-family-surrendering-hudson-bay-zellers-brand-2971098/https://actualitescanada.com/la-baie-dhudson-poursuit-le-detaillant-quebecois-pour-contrefacon-de-la-marque-zellers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/q78saa/quebec_family_nabs_zellers_trademark_from_hbc_to/ https://planetconcerns.com/amp/hbc-sues-quebec-retailing-family-for-using-the-zellers-name/ https://www.habeasdata.org/el-comercio-minorista-familiar-de-quebec-no-se-rinda-a-la-bahia-de-hudson-en-la-marca-zellers/ https://perilofafrica.com/2021/10/hbc-sues-quebec-retailing-family-for-using-zellers-name.html https://www.espanol.news/quebecer-cuya-familia-esta-siendo-demandada-por-la-bahia-de-hudson-por-la-marca-zellers-dice-que-no-se-rinde/ https://interreviewed.com/hudsons-bay-sues-quebec-retail-family-over-alleged-trademark-infringement-of-zellers-brand/ https://forums.redflagdeals.com/return-zellers-2491394/5/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertMMoniz ( talk • contribs)
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The story was really funny. How he used to have 200 million dollars worth of buildings and tha stole everything and got the people who took the houses to talk about how much of a house thief he was when I can easily verify he owned the houses they are giving the interview from the day before was less funny. And they put he stole a car for driving in his brother's car when his brother didn't have a problem and the charges were clearly dropped, reminds me of others I know. There no way all the bloodthirsty sharks of this city are eating someone if he doesn't have a good tasty heart for them, add that to the fact he bought Zellers on top of it, I am personally going to write a new season of Bad Blood and pitch it to Netflix if I finish, the story has so many ups and downs you can not miss the gold here as an author.
As for this line: "trademark filings by an unrelated group that...", we know who the unrelated group is, it's the Moniz family. Unrelated is a good word to put there, clarifies, but it's not a group. It says it later "HBC is suing the group". There's no reason for ambiguity here. The section goes on to describe the current state of affairs and their hopes for the company's future. A description of what the "Moniz Zellers" currently are would fit there, I think I saw an article, I will get to it and also never promise to finish judging a debate on a page again. Also, was Retail Insider the first to publish on this? It seems there are many articles, and writing it around that if it's not the first is like saying "a local paper indicates an earthquake in another country". If it isn't the "trade... Insider" should be changed to "many media outlets", and if there were the first then this is accurate. Someone please do check. Also as far as I know there is only one "kmart Canada" location that the family opened. Please anyone find the right reference from that pile of articles and maybe say where. If you go to the Registre des Entreprise de Quebec, you can see that the Moniz people do not own "KMART", but they do own "KMART CANADA". That is an error. Also I don't know why brands is pluralized here. If we want to discuss the other brands they bought, what exactly do we write about dear Zeddy here? Finally, " a trademark on the Zellers logo": what trademarks related to Zellers does HBC (no S) currently own? If that is interesting and not lengthy maybe it should be here, but I say no because it is subject to change based on the trial in progress. - Making this change: "Subsequent reporting by trade publication Retail Insider indicates the pop-up location may have been prompted by trademark filings by the Moniz family that has opened two stores under the Zellers (as well one Kmart Canada) brand, after HBC allowed a trademark on the Zellers logo to expire in 2020; HBC is suing the Moniz family to prevent what it alleges to be unauthorized use of a brand that it still controls.[53]" |
I agree that "unrelated" is a good word and should be there, but group is not a correct term; it's really just that guy but legally the family owns it. I will immediately change KMART United States to KMART Canada, that is an error. I propose: "an unrelated family" for the first mention, and "HBC is suing the Moniz family" for the second mention now that everyone is aware that they are unrelated.
Furthermore, I take back what I said about putting the Moniz Zellers on the top. The company does have patriotic branding and it would look bad for a company many associate with Canada to have their legal troubles plastered at the top of this page. The entire line, "In August 2021, the Zellers brand was relaunched as a pop-up shop (store-within-a-store) at the Hudson's Bay store located in the Burlington Centre shopping mall.[4]" at the top of the page will be removed now, it already appears below, and I don't want to risk someone putting the other Zellers with it and the article starts with a fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadiansteve ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I hope this page is semi-protected. GoodDay ( talk) 19:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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By copying all the text source here and apply it to article, it will give this result. It will be up-to-date. Robert Manuel Moniz ( talk) 04:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
In the interest of discussing this and getting consensus, I have reverted another editor who insists on adding that Zellers has been rebooted as of today. That's quite the
crystalball considering the sole source for this is a just released press release that says "Canadian department store Zellers hopes to make a comeback next year"
(emphasis, mine). Hopes does not mean it will happen and like anything else, the article should not change the status until such a time that 1.) more sources and a wide variety of RS are available reporting this and 2.) it actually happens.
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Retail analyst Bruce Winder said the reintroduction of Zellers likely stems in part from the lawsuit.
"It's most likely related to the legal issue with the trademarks," he said. "For Zellers to really say, 'This is ours,' they have to show that they're using it."
Zellers will face an uphill battle from entrenched competitors in the discount retail marketplace, he said.
"It could be a niche opportunity and I hope it works, but I just don't see it coming back successfully en masse."
Is reviving the "name", the same as reviving the discount department retail chain itself? Will a separate page need creating, when the time comes, with this page being re-named Zellers (1931–2020) or Zellers (1931–2013)? GoodDay ( talk) 18:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Zellers is a Canadian pop-up shop ( store-within-a-store) brand, located within Hudson's Bay stores in Canada, with additional locations anticipated in early 2023. The brand formerly refered to a discount department retail chain that operated stores throughout Canada for 82 years.
I would apply this edit myself, but as I work in retail, it may be a conflict of interest. Therefore, I am simply presenting a suggestion. -- LABcrabs ( talk) 22:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
As part of the return this spring 2023,
Could you add a new information about The Zellers Family Restaurant’s return as a food truck please? It’s on the Canadian News, thanks. :) 96.55.62.202 ( talk) 01:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Is there another article for the relaunch of Zellers? If not, why does the source of the page tell editors not to update the article, in essence instructing them to keep incorrect/out of date information?
The brand is relaunching, as soon as I looked it up online I immediately noticed that the language of the article still says "Zellers was" and I went to change it but was stopped by the notice.
I'm also somewhat opposed to a proposition for a separate section of the article solely for the relaunch; if anything, the "old" Zellers should get its own section while the main article focuses on the new.
I am somewhat new to editing so I don't know if the notice in the source has any actual authority, but would rather play it safe. Celeron64 ( talk) 03:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Since the Zellers brand has been re-launched, there have been questions as to why the past-tense "was" is being used, and that's because this article refers to the former chain stores that themselves have not been re-launched, not the actual brand itself. Because of the recent and persistent coverage of the its return, I'm wondering if considering an article split might be worth it. As an example, this Zellers article could focus on the Zellers company and its former/now re-launched brand, while information about the former chain stores could be split into an article such as Zellers (store) or some similar name. This would somewhat match what is currently being done with the Hudson's Bay Company and Hudson's Bay (department store), and would be a way to prevent some misinterpretations of describing Zellers in the past tense. – Handoto ( talk) 19:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
The Bells Corners, Ottawa store was a former Kmart, as I can tell by the shape of the storefront. 24.59.245.106 ( talk) 01:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
by the shape of the storefrontis not something we can use. Meters ( talk) 06:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)