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Scott’s wiki page says While at a country club, Fitzgerald met and fell in love with Zelda Sayre....
Zelda’s wiki page says Scott and Zelda's first encounter was in a train station, which Scott later wrote into The Great Gatsby.
Could we have an expert opinion, please? Valetude ( talk) 20:18, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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I'd like to follow up on a comment made back in 2009. I've never posted on a Wikipedia talk page -- but when reading this entry for Fitzgerald, I was shocked to read the characterization of her, in the first paragraph, as one who "ruined" her husband's life. To me, this kind of comment seems more apropos to a checkout line gossip magazine than to an encyclopedia entry. Am I overreacting on this? Thanks. Justaservant ( talk) 10:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Ivylyy ( talk) 02:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC) I don't think you're overreacting at all, I'm willing to believe that it was Hemingway's opinion, but I don't think that that piece of information should be right at the start of the article. Maybe it should be moved to a later section?
I would like to delete the generalization Southern women were expected to be delicate, docile and accommodating; Zelda was anything but. 1. Why only Southern women? 2. As the daughter of a state supreme court justice, Zelda did not live the life of most other women in Montgomery, Alabama. 3. Any city not Montgomery at the time was not identical to any city anywhere else. Willgargan ( talk) 23:17, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
I cannot see how she can be described in the lede as a novelist first. I have moved it to second. If she had not been the wife of Scott Fitzgerald, she would not merit a wiki page at all, as the author of just one novel which failed to sell, except posthumously as a historical curio, to do with her and her husband's fame as Jazz Age figures. Valetude ( talk) 13:27, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
I noticed the need for more updated sources on the talk page and took the liberty to go through Deborah Pike's The Subversive Art of Zelda Fitzgerald. I felt as if the article could benefit from this source (published in 2017) and attempted to match the writing style and tone of the article. More could be drawn from this biography as it would be good to change some of the Milford 1970 sources to Pike 2017 (and there was much overlap). This new source is obviously not objective, but I attempted to include only facts cited.
Thanks! And I'm open to suggestions and critique. Kaitlyndepew ( talk) 00:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
i think you should add her husband STEALING and multiple pages of her diary for his books and taking all of the credit and her. writing reviews about true blantant plagiarism and add him talking about giving her mental breakdowns in his diary and aswell him locking her in rooms when she wanted a divorce Yurionlife ( talk) 17:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm concerned about this article's status as an FA. These are the following issues:
That's all. ~ HAL 333 02:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Many descriptions of Zelda and Scott's marriage dwell on his drunkenness, their fights, and his use of her private letters and diary in his novels. To get a fair idea of what their relationship was like, and how she actually saw Fitzgerald, it's important to read the words she wrote at his death:
"I grieve for his brilliant talent, his faithful effort to keep me under the very best of expensive care and Scottie in school; his devotion to those he felt were contributing to the aesthetic and spiritual purposes of life--and for his generous and vibrant soul that never spared itself, and never found anything too much trouble save the fundamentals of life itself. That he won't be here to arrange nice things and tell us what to do is grievous to envisage....he was as comprehensive and intelligent and gratifying a friend as I could ever have found-- and he loved you dearly." To Gerald and Sara Murphy, late December 1940, Letters from the Lost Generation, p. 261
Younggoldchip ( talk) 16:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
"Ernest Hemingway, whom Fitzgerald disliked, blamed her for her husband's declining literary output."
This sentence does not make sense, please change it so that it does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB04:3151:6600:180E:9AA7:525D:7C9D ( talk) 16:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello @ Hannibpop: / @ 24.162.33.222:
I again cordially invite you to discuss your previous edits with me on this Talk Page. Note that your very first edit accused others of acting in bad faith contrary to WP:AGF. When I invited you to discuss the edits on this Talk Page in order to reach a consensus per WP:BRD, you instead filed a report on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard with false accusations. Despite both of these unwarranted actions, I nonetheless continue to invite you to engage in a discussion with me per WP:BRD. — Flask ( talk) 19:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just imagining it, but "became regarded" feels quite awkward. Toddcs ( talk) 20:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Scott’s wiki page says While at a country club, Fitzgerald met and fell in love with Zelda Sayre....
Zelda’s wiki page says Scott and Zelda's first encounter was in a train station, which Scott later wrote into The Great Gatsby.
Could we have an expert opinion, please? Valetude ( talk) 20:18, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
References
I'd like to follow up on a comment made back in 2009. I've never posted on a Wikipedia talk page -- but when reading this entry for Fitzgerald, I was shocked to read the characterization of her, in the first paragraph, as one who "ruined" her husband's life. To me, this kind of comment seems more apropos to a checkout line gossip magazine than to an encyclopedia entry. Am I overreacting on this? Thanks. Justaservant ( talk) 10:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Ivylyy ( talk) 02:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC) I don't think you're overreacting at all, I'm willing to believe that it was Hemingway's opinion, but I don't think that that piece of information should be right at the start of the article. Maybe it should be moved to a later section?
I would like to delete the generalization Southern women were expected to be delicate, docile and accommodating; Zelda was anything but. 1. Why only Southern women? 2. As the daughter of a state supreme court justice, Zelda did not live the life of most other women in Montgomery, Alabama. 3. Any city not Montgomery at the time was not identical to any city anywhere else. Willgargan ( talk) 23:17, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
I cannot see how she can be described in the lede as a novelist first. I have moved it to second. If she had not been the wife of Scott Fitzgerald, she would not merit a wiki page at all, as the author of just one novel which failed to sell, except posthumously as a historical curio, to do with her and her husband's fame as Jazz Age figures. Valetude ( talk) 13:27, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
I noticed the need for more updated sources on the talk page and took the liberty to go through Deborah Pike's The Subversive Art of Zelda Fitzgerald. I felt as if the article could benefit from this source (published in 2017) and attempted to match the writing style and tone of the article. More could be drawn from this biography as it would be good to change some of the Milford 1970 sources to Pike 2017 (and there was much overlap). This new source is obviously not objective, but I attempted to include only facts cited.
Thanks! And I'm open to suggestions and critique. Kaitlyndepew ( talk) 00:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
i think you should add her husband STEALING and multiple pages of her diary for his books and taking all of the credit and her. writing reviews about true blantant plagiarism and add him talking about giving her mental breakdowns in his diary and aswell him locking her in rooms when she wanted a divorce Yurionlife ( talk) 17:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm concerned about this article's status as an FA. These are the following issues:
That's all. ~ HAL 333 02:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Many descriptions of Zelda and Scott's marriage dwell on his drunkenness, their fights, and his use of her private letters and diary in his novels. To get a fair idea of what their relationship was like, and how she actually saw Fitzgerald, it's important to read the words she wrote at his death:
"I grieve for his brilliant talent, his faithful effort to keep me under the very best of expensive care and Scottie in school; his devotion to those he felt were contributing to the aesthetic and spiritual purposes of life--and for his generous and vibrant soul that never spared itself, and never found anything too much trouble save the fundamentals of life itself. That he won't be here to arrange nice things and tell us what to do is grievous to envisage....he was as comprehensive and intelligent and gratifying a friend as I could ever have found-- and he loved you dearly." To Gerald and Sara Murphy, late December 1940, Letters from the Lost Generation, p. 261
Younggoldchip ( talk) 16:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
"Ernest Hemingway, whom Fitzgerald disliked, blamed her for her husband's declining literary output."
This sentence does not make sense, please change it so that it does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB04:3151:6600:180E:9AA7:525D:7C9D ( talk) 16:40, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello @ Hannibpop: / @ 24.162.33.222:
I again cordially invite you to discuss your previous edits with me on this Talk Page. Note that your very first edit accused others of acting in bad faith contrary to WP:AGF. When I invited you to discuss the edits on this Talk Page in order to reach a consensus per WP:BRD, you instead filed a report on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard with false accusations. Despite both of these unwarranted actions, I nonetheless continue to invite you to engage in a discussion with me per WP:BRD. — Flask ( talk) 19:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Maybe I'm just imagining it, but "became regarded" feels quite awkward. Toddcs ( talk) 20:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)