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the album leaked, it's an easily verifiable fact, why is it not in the article? there are several other album articles which state the date that the album leaked, and i think it's just stupid the way people have been adding & deleting it from this page. the higher ups @ wikipedia really need to make a new rule about album leaks so people will stop trying to "protect album sales" by deleting info about album leaks.
"yeah but there's no legitimaite sources. can you think of any major notable websites that have a news item every time any album leaks? there aren't any." Well then doesn't that fail Wikipedia's
notability guideline? I'm sorry dude, we just can't include it, it just grinds with too many policies that make this encyclopedia trusty and relied on. If these policies were not being enforced, I'm sure Wikipedia wouldn't be the 9th most visited site in the world, and it wouldn't be so popular.
I know you want "consistency", but it's a hard thing to achieve sometimes. I can relate to you: I've always strived for consistency in artist genres, and I have tried coming up with a few solutions to deal with the slow edit wars that circulate around them. But I have a policy or two that has me up against the wall on this one as well. That and the fact that not enough people care. Hate to break it to you, but that appears to be the same situation here.
Finally, the only reason you see it mentioned in other articles is because there aren't as many of us policy commies patrolling around those articles. Alot more editors are buzzing around here than on Static-X's album article. But shit, you got me now, thats original research. --
Reaper
X
04:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Well before we shoot too far off the trail...I think the bottom line is it stays out. Unless some newsflash develops of it, like the artwork, and verifyable, notable sources come to light. -- Reaper X 01:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Seems my last entry was deleted (would you quit doing this?!?), the actual CD (no promo or advance tag given) was released July 1st, 2007 by the MP3 group SAW. It doesn't sound like a webrip. Now it is possible it was a promo copy, just that someone mis-labelled it (?!?), doesn't matter, AWESOME album (and I dislike the band), I plan to buy it on record/vinyl once it hits retail (in fact I also bought the latest Rush CD on record/vinyl too). BTW: My sources are legit!!! UPDATE: Word is that it's also avaliable in lossless format, though I dunno if this is a re-encode from VBR MP3, apparently it's not, and avaliable via Torrent. 24.68.69.28 01:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Although the correct name for the original Pumpkins lineup(s) was "The Smashing Pumpkins" you should note that the current lineup is referred to as simply "Smashing Pumpkins" -- the Zeitgeist cover and official WWW site reflect this. Does anybody know if Billy or Jimmy have addressed this slight name change in any interviews, blog postings, etc.?
They were originally The Smashing Pumpkins, switched to Smashing Pumpkins, back to The Smashing Pumpkins, and then back again. Without the article the word Smashing is a verb. With the article the word Smashing is an adjective. It is a difference. Do you want to smash a pumpkin or be a smashing pumpkin?-- Zahveed 21:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The Smashing Pumpkins website, when they reformed, has stated that they had been working on new material since their 1999 album, indicating the first Machina album. The Smashing Pumpkins Myspace album announcement also stated that it was their sixth album. Although dedicated SP fans wish to canonize the second Machina album in its discography, leave it out (but leave a footnote explaining it) unless the SP team decide to officially state/revise it themselves. Kittyyradio 02:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Corgan definitely called Zeitgeist their sixth album. Pisces Iscariot and Machina II are compilations of outtakes and b-sides from other albums and should not be included with the other studio albums.
it's just some guy saying zeitgeist. sounds like neither billy nor jimmy. what the fuck -- Flvg94 23:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
They were already reunited in Zwan! This makes it, so far, as much of a Zwan reunion as it is a Smashing Pumpkins reunion...-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 08:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the article, the track listing is from a photo posted on Billy Corgan's personal MySpace page, but unsourced. I've gone to both Billy Corgan's page and the page for the Smashing Pumpkins, and I can't find said photo anywhere. I'm going to remove it for now, since the photo obviously isn't posted anywhere, but here it is if anyone can find the source photo:
Working titles
On Billy Corgan's personal myspace page, a photo of a whiteboard featuring the following song titles was posted. citation needed
thats the way orchid shades of doom c'mon lets go doomsday clock F# stomp (or FA stomp) god & country united states never lost death from above pomp + circumstance stellar gossamer ma belle from America with love tarantula scars bring the light
- Upon some further research, I've tracked this down to a forum posting. This is the only result that came up for on Google for the first three song titles. Results
I think if it was actually posted on Billy Corgan's MySpace page it would be turning up in more places than a forum thread, but for now I'm willing to call this fake.
Billy Corgan has a personal myspace page that he uses himself. (as opposed to the smashing pumpkins and official billy corgan myspace pages which are used for promotion and run by other people.) He posted the picture of the whiteboard on that page. The profile is set to private, so citing it as a source won't help with verification unless you are one of his friends.
TSP have announced that Zeitgeist will be released July 7, which is a Saturday, and I don't believe that albums are released on any day except Tuesdays. Anyone know any more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.194.104.5 ( talk • contribs)
“ | Pitchfork Media reported that the album is set to be released on July 7, 2007; however, this is unlikely as 07/07/07 is a Saturday, and major records are almost never released on any other day but Tuesday. [1] | ” |
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I can't help but noticing it's also the anaversary of the London subway/bus attacks... its probably an uninteded coincidense though. 125.238.18.100 09:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
digital release the 7th, actual cd the 10th Rhinowing 03:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
There is no consistency in the release date listed for Zeitgeist in wikipedia. On the main Smashing Pumpkins page, it says July 7 in the discography. On this Zeitgeist page, it lists both July 7 and July 10 depending on where you look. Can we pick a date and stick with it? Even http://www.myspace.com/smashingpumpkins is now showing July 10 as the release date in their countdown clock, so I think they've given up on the July 7 date. 75.35.109.255 19:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Let's see some sources for this... - ZEROpumpkins 02:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
please note that this is CONFIRMED as being authentic material by Frank Quinto's request that it be removed. IMO, this would also confirm the jeff/ginger sitation, but thats just me. Rhinowing 03:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Maybe their removal was requested because they are crap pictures, not because they are authentic.
Doesnt make sense that pakula would be banning for posting them, then 70.225.169.83 18:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I am putting the artwork leak info back in. A Pumpkins representative was involved, it's the real deal people. MMBKG
Yeah, please keep this up. Right now the only question is what the band's intentions are. Some have theorized that this is all a very elaborate viral marketing scheme. I don't believe them, but either way the band's management definitely has become involved. -- Werideatdusk33 17:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
If you really want the section to remain, get as many references as possible. It only makes your verifibility stronger. -- Reaper X 17:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I have restored this section. Please leave it up! This has been verified by news media, commented on by Chicago Police personnel, and confirmed by the band's management. The Pitchfork reference is pretty solid, but if you need more its out there. You citation nazis. Also, the reach of Frank Quinto extends far indeed. -- Werideatdusk33 20:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Good job, the section looks good now., all citated and such. Asked about the band's predicament, a Chicago Police officer commented, "They were pissed." Haha, I love it! The only issue is this line: "[The images] had already spread to hundreds of fans' personal archives." I think we need to deal with that line... -- Reaper X 21:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Where did we get this "That's the way (My Love Is)" thing? Is there a source for that parenthetical thing? Does this mean its not a Led Zeppelin cover? -- Werideatdusk33 20:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
The new promo poster says the 10th: http://www.msopr.com/files/Smashing%20Pumpkins%20Admat.pdf
I know Billy wants it on a Saturday, but albums typically come out on Tuesdays. He might not be updating his website, but it looks like the record company is going ahead w/ a 7/10 release. -- byelf2007 13 May 2007
"The Pumpkins have also changed Zeitgeist's release date to a Tuesday in alignment with industry standards. The record will now come out July 10 instead of July 7, but don't let those three extra days convince you to go stealing anything." - [ Media] 84.68.9.72 16:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
There are still persistent rumors that itll get a digital release the 7th. No word if theres a real source for that. - Werideatdusk33 18:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I heard on the radio today ( The Rock (New Zealand) that the album will be released on the 6th of July in NZ. 125.238.129.144 04:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/images/zeitcover.png -- byelf2007 16 May 2007
http://www.spinner.com/2007/05/18/new-music-tarantula-by-smashing-pumpkins/ -- byelf2007 18 May 2007
As they played on today's show in paris: Ginger Reyes on Bass and Jeff Schroeder on Guitar. Fco. 21:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Judging by this promotional video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzHwPKXjMbU , it looks like the stolen pictures were Tarantula video stills, and not album artwork (shows kids doing Nazi-esqe salute towards the end). -- byelf2007 31 May 2007
I added a fancy gallery section with all the different cover arts and versions. The citations don't seem to be working properly - I'm not very familiar with gallery making. Please, feel free to fix them! - Werideatdusk33 18:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I just bought the Japanese version with the bonus track Death From Above and the album cover was red, not orange. 219.60.122.141 09:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I just purchased the UK version, that has the standard tracklisting with booklet but a purple cover like the german one. I can't find a source for this however. BHARfan 18:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Several of the songs have had their own separate articles created. However, apart from the single, upcoming single, and Doomsday Clock (appears on a soundtrack), none of the songs are yet notable. The separate articles contained no real information, or worse, Original research. Therefore, I've converted all (apart from the three I've just mentioned) into redirects back to this page.
Oli Filth 23:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Can we get more info on this, model it somewhat similar to the release history of Kid A? At least include the labels? -- Reaper X 04:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Is the extensive personnel needed down to the hair stylist? I figure it could at least be narrowed down to those working with the actual music and not so much the visuals.-- Zahveed 21:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
So a friend told me about "An open letter from Billy Corgan", in which Coragn apparently backlashed and chewed out all those giving negative reviews for Zeitgeist.
Fake? What exactly does it say? I don't know, I didn't have time to read it at the time. And when I did,
the goddamn site was down, and it is the only place I can find
the article. There's a chance it's legit though, because
Rolling Stone
made mention of it. Keep your ears perked guys, I have a feeling this is a notable shit disturber that will hit the fan. --
Reaper
X
06:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Yea, as soon as I read "plus another chick bassist and some new guitar guy." Wish I had time to read it, now I feel like a dumbass bringing it up here. -- Reaper X 16:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose moving this page to "Zeitgeist (Smashing Pumpkins album)". The band is credited on the album as "Smashing Pumpkins". It also sounds immensely better as well. Grim-Gym 04:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I really don't feel strongly either way, but I think it's fine as it is. WesleyDodds 02:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Image:Zeitgeist cover.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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At this point, under the pluralised title 'Singles', only 'Tarantula' is included. Shouldn't 'That's the Way (My Love Is)' also be included? And since 'Bring the Light' is an unofficial single in South America, but still referenced on Wikipedia, and 'Doomsday Clock' has been registered by Wikipedia, they ought to have some kind of inclusion, shouldn't they? Vaughn (non-user) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.164.132.179 ( talk) 08:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
"Superchrist" is not an outtake, but is one of the new songs debuted at the residencies. It was not recorded or even written during the Zeitgeist sessions... should we take it out? - Werideatdusk33 04:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I apologize, I went ahead with these edits to the stuff about the Best Buy re-issue, without seeing the history of it. But IMO, this is a practical way to deal with it. Only the resequenced parts of the track listing are included, and the main information is included in the alternate versions section, with the rest of them. It doesn't deserve too much space. -- Reaper X 23:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Delete - I believe this should be deleted. Although it may have had some significance a while ago, it is not important now, and certainly doesn't have much to do with the music, leak and all. Hakeem ( talk) 23:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
As for the iTunes edition, is there a different cover? -- Reaper X 22:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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the album leaked, it's an easily verifiable fact, why is it not in the article? there are several other album articles which state the date that the album leaked, and i think it's just stupid the way people have been adding & deleting it from this page. the higher ups @ wikipedia really need to make a new rule about album leaks so people will stop trying to "protect album sales" by deleting info about album leaks.
"yeah but there's no legitimaite sources. can you think of any major notable websites that have a news item every time any album leaks? there aren't any." Well then doesn't that fail Wikipedia's
notability guideline? I'm sorry dude, we just can't include it, it just grinds with too many policies that make this encyclopedia trusty and relied on. If these policies were not being enforced, I'm sure Wikipedia wouldn't be the 9th most visited site in the world, and it wouldn't be so popular.
I know you want "consistency", but it's a hard thing to achieve sometimes. I can relate to you: I've always strived for consistency in artist genres, and I have tried coming up with a few solutions to deal with the slow edit wars that circulate around them. But I have a policy or two that has me up against the wall on this one as well. That and the fact that not enough people care. Hate to break it to you, but that appears to be the same situation here.
Finally, the only reason you see it mentioned in other articles is because there aren't as many of us policy commies patrolling around those articles. Alot more editors are buzzing around here than on Static-X's album article. But shit, you got me now, thats original research. --
Reaper
X
04:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Well before we shoot too far off the trail...I think the bottom line is it stays out. Unless some newsflash develops of it, like the artwork, and verifyable, notable sources come to light. -- Reaper X 01:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Seems my last entry was deleted (would you quit doing this?!?), the actual CD (no promo or advance tag given) was released July 1st, 2007 by the MP3 group SAW. It doesn't sound like a webrip. Now it is possible it was a promo copy, just that someone mis-labelled it (?!?), doesn't matter, AWESOME album (and I dislike the band), I plan to buy it on record/vinyl once it hits retail (in fact I also bought the latest Rush CD on record/vinyl too). BTW: My sources are legit!!! UPDATE: Word is that it's also avaliable in lossless format, though I dunno if this is a re-encode from VBR MP3, apparently it's not, and avaliable via Torrent. 24.68.69.28 01:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Although the correct name for the original Pumpkins lineup(s) was "The Smashing Pumpkins" you should note that the current lineup is referred to as simply "Smashing Pumpkins" -- the Zeitgeist cover and official WWW site reflect this. Does anybody know if Billy or Jimmy have addressed this slight name change in any interviews, blog postings, etc.?
They were originally The Smashing Pumpkins, switched to Smashing Pumpkins, back to The Smashing Pumpkins, and then back again. Without the article the word Smashing is a verb. With the article the word Smashing is an adjective. It is a difference. Do you want to smash a pumpkin or be a smashing pumpkin?-- Zahveed 21:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The Smashing Pumpkins website, when they reformed, has stated that they had been working on new material since their 1999 album, indicating the first Machina album. The Smashing Pumpkins Myspace album announcement also stated that it was their sixth album. Although dedicated SP fans wish to canonize the second Machina album in its discography, leave it out (but leave a footnote explaining it) unless the SP team decide to officially state/revise it themselves. Kittyyradio 02:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Corgan definitely called Zeitgeist their sixth album. Pisces Iscariot and Machina II are compilations of outtakes and b-sides from other albums and should not be included with the other studio albums.
it's just some guy saying zeitgeist. sounds like neither billy nor jimmy. what the fuck -- Flvg94 23:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
They were already reunited in Zwan! This makes it, so far, as much of a Zwan reunion as it is a Smashing Pumpkins reunion...-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 08:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the article, the track listing is from a photo posted on Billy Corgan's personal MySpace page, but unsourced. I've gone to both Billy Corgan's page and the page for the Smashing Pumpkins, and I can't find said photo anywhere. I'm going to remove it for now, since the photo obviously isn't posted anywhere, but here it is if anyone can find the source photo:
Working titles
On Billy Corgan's personal myspace page, a photo of a whiteboard featuring the following song titles was posted. citation needed
thats the way orchid shades of doom c'mon lets go doomsday clock F# stomp (or FA stomp) god & country united states never lost death from above pomp + circumstance stellar gossamer ma belle from America with love tarantula scars bring the light
- Upon some further research, I've tracked this down to a forum posting. This is the only result that came up for on Google for the first three song titles. Results
I think if it was actually posted on Billy Corgan's MySpace page it would be turning up in more places than a forum thread, but for now I'm willing to call this fake.
Billy Corgan has a personal myspace page that he uses himself. (as opposed to the smashing pumpkins and official billy corgan myspace pages which are used for promotion and run by other people.) He posted the picture of the whiteboard on that page. The profile is set to private, so citing it as a source won't help with verification unless you are one of his friends.
TSP have announced that Zeitgeist will be released July 7, which is a Saturday, and I don't believe that albums are released on any day except Tuesdays. Anyone know any more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.194.104.5 ( talk • contribs)
“ | Pitchfork Media reported that the album is set to be released on July 7, 2007; however, this is unlikely as 07/07/07 is a Saturday, and major records are almost never released on any other day but Tuesday. [1] | ” |
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I can't help but noticing it's also the anaversary of the London subway/bus attacks... its probably an uninteded coincidense though. 125.238.18.100 09:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
digital release the 7th, actual cd the 10th Rhinowing 03:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
There is no consistency in the release date listed for Zeitgeist in wikipedia. On the main Smashing Pumpkins page, it says July 7 in the discography. On this Zeitgeist page, it lists both July 7 and July 10 depending on where you look. Can we pick a date and stick with it? Even http://www.myspace.com/smashingpumpkins is now showing July 10 as the release date in their countdown clock, so I think they've given up on the July 7 date. 75.35.109.255 19:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Let's see some sources for this... - ZEROpumpkins 02:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
please note that this is CONFIRMED as being authentic material by Frank Quinto's request that it be removed. IMO, this would also confirm the jeff/ginger sitation, but thats just me. Rhinowing 03:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Maybe their removal was requested because they are crap pictures, not because they are authentic.
Doesnt make sense that pakula would be banning for posting them, then 70.225.169.83 18:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I am putting the artwork leak info back in. A Pumpkins representative was involved, it's the real deal people. MMBKG
Yeah, please keep this up. Right now the only question is what the band's intentions are. Some have theorized that this is all a very elaborate viral marketing scheme. I don't believe them, but either way the band's management definitely has become involved. -- Werideatdusk33 17:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
If you really want the section to remain, get as many references as possible. It only makes your verifibility stronger. -- Reaper X 17:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I have restored this section. Please leave it up! This has been verified by news media, commented on by Chicago Police personnel, and confirmed by the band's management. The Pitchfork reference is pretty solid, but if you need more its out there. You citation nazis. Also, the reach of Frank Quinto extends far indeed. -- Werideatdusk33 20:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Good job, the section looks good now., all citated and such. Asked about the band's predicament, a Chicago Police officer commented, "They were pissed." Haha, I love it! The only issue is this line: "[The images] had already spread to hundreds of fans' personal archives." I think we need to deal with that line... -- Reaper X 21:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Where did we get this "That's the way (My Love Is)" thing? Is there a source for that parenthetical thing? Does this mean its not a Led Zeppelin cover? -- Werideatdusk33 20:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
The new promo poster says the 10th: http://www.msopr.com/files/Smashing%20Pumpkins%20Admat.pdf
I know Billy wants it on a Saturday, but albums typically come out on Tuesdays. He might not be updating his website, but it looks like the record company is going ahead w/ a 7/10 release. -- byelf2007 13 May 2007
"The Pumpkins have also changed Zeitgeist's release date to a Tuesday in alignment with industry standards. The record will now come out July 10 instead of July 7, but don't let those three extra days convince you to go stealing anything." - [ Media] 84.68.9.72 16:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
There are still persistent rumors that itll get a digital release the 7th. No word if theres a real source for that. - Werideatdusk33 18:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I heard on the radio today ( The Rock (New Zealand) that the album will be released on the 6th of July in NZ. 125.238.129.144 04:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/images/zeitcover.png -- byelf2007 16 May 2007
http://www.spinner.com/2007/05/18/new-music-tarantula-by-smashing-pumpkins/ -- byelf2007 18 May 2007
As they played on today's show in paris: Ginger Reyes on Bass and Jeff Schroeder on Guitar. Fco. 21:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Judging by this promotional video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzHwPKXjMbU , it looks like the stolen pictures were Tarantula video stills, and not album artwork (shows kids doing Nazi-esqe salute towards the end). -- byelf2007 31 May 2007
I added a fancy gallery section with all the different cover arts and versions. The citations don't seem to be working properly - I'm not very familiar with gallery making. Please, feel free to fix them! - Werideatdusk33 18:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I just bought the Japanese version with the bonus track Death From Above and the album cover was red, not orange. 219.60.122.141 09:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I just purchased the UK version, that has the standard tracklisting with booklet but a purple cover like the german one. I can't find a source for this however. BHARfan 18:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Several of the songs have had their own separate articles created. However, apart from the single, upcoming single, and Doomsday Clock (appears on a soundtrack), none of the songs are yet notable. The separate articles contained no real information, or worse, Original research. Therefore, I've converted all (apart from the three I've just mentioned) into redirects back to this page.
Oli Filth 23:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Can we get more info on this, model it somewhat similar to the release history of Kid A? At least include the labels? -- Reaper X 04:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Is the extensive personnel needed down to the hair stylist? I figure it could at least be narrowed down to those working with the actual music and not so much the visuals.-- Zahveed 21:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
So a friend told me about "An open letter from Billy Corgan", in which Coragn apparently backlashed and chewed out all those giving negative reviews for Zeitgeist.
Fake? What exactly does it say? I don't know, I didn't have time to read it at the time. And when I did,
the goddamn site was down, and it is the only place I can find
the article. There's a chance it's legit though, because
Rolling Stone
made mention of it. Keep your ears perked guys, I have a feeling this is a notable shit disturber that will hit the fan. --
Reaper
X
06:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Yea, as soon as I read "plus another chick bassist and some new guitar guy." Wish I had time to read it, now I feel like a dumbass bringing it up here. -- Reaper X 16:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose moving this page to "Zeitgeist (Smashing Pumpkins album)". The band is credited on the album as "Smashing Pumpkins". It also sounds immensely better as well. Grim-Gym 04:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I really don't feel strongly either way, but I think it's fine as it is. WesleyDodds 02:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Image:Zeitgeist cover.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 05:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
At this point, under the pluralised title 'Singles', only 'Tarantula' is included. Shouldn't 'That's the Way (My Love Is)' also be included? And since 'Bring the Light' is an unofficial single in South America, but still referenced on Wikipedia, and 'Doomsday Clock' has been registered by Wikipedia, they ought to have some kind of inclusion, shouldn't they? Vaughn (non-user) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.164.132.179 ( talk) 08:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
"Superchrist" is not an outtake, but is one of the new songs debuted at the residencies. It was not recorded or even written during the Zeitgeist sessions... should we take it out? - Werideatdusk33 04:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I apologize, I went ahead with these edits to the stuff about the Best Buy re-issue, without seeing the history of it. But IMO, this is a practical way to deal with it. Only the resequenced parts of the track listing are included, and the main information is included in the alternate versions section, with the rest of them. It doesn't deserve too much space. -- Reaper X 23:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Delete - I believe this should be deleted. Although it may have had some significance a while ago, it is not important now, and certainly doesn't have much to do with the music, leak and all. Hakeem ( talk) 23:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
As for the iTunes edition, is there a different cover? -- Reaper X 22:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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