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The Book of Mormon Entry in this article is stated as though it is a truthful historical claim with historical backing. But since the Book of Mormon is not an widely accepted source of historical information it must be considered that this part of the entry may be false. Tommack2953 01:08, May 15, 2006 (UTC)
The problems with using the Book of Mormon as a dating reference are numerous (even assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Book of Mormon is historically accurate) because of the lack of information concerning the number of days in a calendar year, the type of calendar (solar, lunar, Mayan), the possibility of mistakes or generalities, etc. For an introductory discussion on the problems associated with Book of Mormon dating (published by BYU's FARMS institute), see http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=276 (towards the bottom). Because of this, I have deleted the reference under the Book of Mormon section to the beginning date of Zedekiah's reign. ( BipBop10 13:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC))
2 Chronicles 36:10 states that Zedekiah was brother rather than uncle of Jeconiah (Jeoiachin). This is almost certainly in error, but it would seem to be deserving of a mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Opaanderson ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Indicating that Zedekiah was a very weak ruler is the fact that, when the princes later requested that Jeremiah be put to death for allegedly weakening the morale of the besieged people, Zedekiah said: “Look! He is in your hands. For there is nothing at all in which the king himself can prevail against you.” However, afterward Zedekiah granted Ebed-melech’s request to rescue Jeremiah and directed that Ebed-melech take along 30 men to assist in this. Later Zedekiah again had a private audience with Jeremiah. He assured the prophet that he would neither kill him nor deliver him into the hands of those seeking his death. But Zedekiah feared reprisals from the Jews who had fallen away to the Chaldeans and, therefore, did not heed Jeremiah’s inspired advice to surrender to the princes of Babylon. In further display of his fear, the king requested that Jeremiah not reveal the subject of their private discussion to the suspicious princes.—Jer 38:1-28.
When you consider such strong kings as Saul, David, Solomon, Jehoshaphat, etc...King Zedekiah should not be considered "strong". His kingdom was not firmly established by anyone other than power of Babylon. There is really nothing that set Zedekiah apart, other than his stubbornness in not listening to advice from counsel. He must have known that he did not have the manpower to resist the Chaldeans attack, and could only resort to making the residence of Jerusalem suffer before a near complete destruction. Had he remained submitted to Babylon, many lives would not have been wasted in the most demoralized way.
Concerning the passage below, the biblical references there cited do not refer to the quotation given. In fact, I can't find the quotation anywhere in the King James version.... I'm assuming that the quotation marks are supposed to refer to a source that identifies the woes identified in the biblical passages supplied as being "the worst woe[s]" but if so, this source should be cited.
During this siege, which lasted about thirty months, "every worst woe befell the devoted city, which drank the cup of God's fury to the dregs". (2 Kings 25:3; Lamentations 4:4, 5, 9) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbrown29 ( talk • contribs) 17:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
The alternative translation of Zedekiah as "Priest of Ah" (inserted after mention of Nebuchadnezzar's designation of this throne name for the new king, at the end of the section titled Genealogical note), is news, to say the least (with or without revocalisation and resegmentation → Zadok-i-Ah). Just for starters, at the time of this post it is found nowhere on the entire Internet, except in this article, and in a copy of it on Answers.com.
Zadok/Ṣāḏôq does not even mean "priest", although there was a well-known priest of King David's time by that name. The name may mean "righteous" like its cognate adjective (t)zadik/ṣaddîq, as the well-known Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon suggests. As already indicated at the start of the article, (T)zidkiyyahu/Ṣiḏqiyyā́hû means "YHWH is my righteousness"; the latter phrase in bold translates Hebrew (t)zidkiy/ṣiḏqiy (→ṣiḏqî when standing alone...), which in turn is derived by simple and straightforward application of Hebrew grammar from (t)zedek/ṣéḏeq "righteousness".
I am removing this translation as utterly unsupported. If anyone wishes to restore it, they should provide a reference that is a bona fide peer-reviewed secondary source. IfYouDoIfYouDon't ( talk) 10:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
The inclusion of reference to Scarlatti's Oratorio Sedecia would enhance this article. See http://www.todoperaweb.com.ar/biblio/Sedecia.html 193.108.78.10 ( talk) 09:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe there's nothing in it, but there's a whole book called The Last Kings of Judah: Zedekiah and Sedekias in the Hebrew and Old Greek Versions of Jeremiah 37 44 :1-40 47 :6 which discusses the differences between the Hebrew and the Greek texts. [1] Doug Weller talk 13:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
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The Book of Mormon Entry in this article is stated as though it is a truthful historical claim with historical backing. But since the Book of Mormon is not an widely accepted source of historical information it must be considered that this part of the entry may be false. Tommack2953 01:08, May 15, 2006 (UTC)
The problems with using the Book of Mormon as a dating reference are numerous (even assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Book of Mormon is historically accurate) because of the lack of information concerning the number of days in a calendar year, the type of calendar (solar, lunar, Mayan), the possibility of mistakes or generalities, etc. For an introductory discussion on the problems associated with Book of Mormon dating (published by BYU's FARMS institute), see http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=276 (towards the bottom). Because of this, I have deleted the reference under the Book of Mormon section to the beginning date of Zedekiah's reign. ( BipBop10 13:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC))
2 Chronicles 36:10 states that Zedekiah was brother rather than uncle of Jeconiah (Jeoiachin). This is almost certainly in error, but it would seem to be deserving of a mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Opaanderson ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Indicating that Zedekiah was a very weak ruler is the fact that, when the princes later requested that Jeremiah be put to death for allegedly weakening the morale of the besieged people, Zedekiah said: “Look! He is in your hands. For there is nothing at all in which the king himself can prevail against you.” However, afterward Zedekiah granted Ebed-melech’s request to rescue Jeremiah and directed that Ebed-melech take along 30 men to assist in this. Later Zedekiah again had a private audience with Jeremiah. He assured the prophet that he would neither kill him nor deliver him into the hands of those seeking his death. But Zedekiah feared reprisals from the Jews who had fallen away to the Chaldeans and, therefore, did not heed Jeremiah’s inspired advice to surrender to the princes of Babylon. In further display of his fear, the king requested that Jeremiah not reveal the subject of their private discussion to the suspicious princes.—Jer 38:1-28.
When you consider such strong kings as Saul, David, Solomon, Jehoshaphat, etc...King Zedekiah should not be considered "strong". His kingdom was not firmly established by anyone other than power of Babylon. There is really nothing that set Zedekiah apart, other than his stubbornness in not listening to advice from counsel. He must have known that he did not have the manpower to resist the Chaldeans attack, and could only resort to making the residence of Jerusalem suffer before a near complete destruction. Had he remained submitted to Babylon, many lives would not have been wasted in the most demoralized way.
Concerning the passage below, the biblical references there cited do not refer to the quotation given. In fact, I can't find the quotation anywhere in the King James version.... I'm assuming that the quotation marks are supposed to refer to a source that identifies the woes identified in the biblical passages supplied as being "the worst woe[s]" but if so, this source should be cited.
During this siege, which lasted about thirty months, "every worst woe befell the devoted city, which drank the cup of God's fury to the dregs". (2 Kings 25:3; Lamentations 4:4, 5, 9) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbrown29 ( talk • contribs) 17:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
The alternative translation of Zedekiah as "Priest of Ah" (inserted after mention of Nebuchadnezzar's designation of this throne name for the new king, at the end of the section titled Genealogical note), is news, to say the least (with or without revocalisation and resegmentation → Zadok-i-Ah). Just for starters, at the time of this post it is found nowhere on the entire Internet, except in this article, and in a copy of it on Answers.com.
Zadok/Ṣāḏôq does not even mean "priest", although there was a well-known priest of King David's time by that name. The name may mean "righteous" like its cognate adjective (t)zadik/ṣaddîq, as the well-known Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon suggests. As already indicated at the start of the article, (T)zidkiyyahu/Ṣiḏqiyyā́hû means "YHWH is my righteousness"; the latter phrase in bold translates Hebrew (t)zidkiy/ṣiḏqiy (→ṣiḏqî when standing alone...), which in turn is derived by simple and straightforward application of Hebrew grammar from (t)zedek/ṣéḏeq "righteousness".
I am removing this translation as utterly unsupported. If anyone wishes to restore it, they should provide a reference that is a bona fide peer-reviewed secondary source. IfYouDoIfYouDon't ( talk) 10:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
The inclusion of reference to Scarlatti's Oratorio Sedecia would enhance this article. See http://www.todoperaweb.com.ar/biblio/Sedecia.html 193.108.78.10 ( talk) 09:26, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe there's nothing in it, but there's a whole book called The Last Kings of Judah: Zedekiah and Sedekias in the Hebrew and Old Greek Versions of Jeremiah 37 44 :1-40 47 :6 which discusses the differences between the Hebrew and the Greek texts. [1] Doug Weller talk 13:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)