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"Zazaki" is the most common name for the language in English, therefore should remain the name of the article. The most recent compendium of information on the Iranian languages uses "Zazaki": Ludwig Paul, "Zazaki", The Iranian Languages, ed. Gernot Windfuhr (2009, Routledge), pages 545-586. -- Taivo ( talk) 10:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
english | persian | zazaki | kurmanci | bulgarian |
---|---|---|---|---|
i know | midânam | ez dizono | ez dizanim | az znam |
you know | midâni | ti dizana | tu dizanî | ti znayş |
i don't know | nemidânam | ez nizon | ez nizanim | az neznam |
you don't know | nemidâni | ti nizona | tu nizanî | ti niznayş |
a dog | sag | kûtik | kûtchik (kûçik) | kutche (kûçe) |
my wife | zanâne-am | djina mi | jina min | jena mi |
-- Alsace38 ( talk) 12:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
The comparaison of linguistists are only on the words but not with the grammmar, and the grammar of zazaki or kurdish is more close to bulgarian thant to any iranian tongs!
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) kennethaw88 • talk 03:22, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Zazaki language → Zaza language – Per WP:COMMONNAME. "Zaza language" is common but "Zazaki" is used rarely. Per the Google Books search, "Zaza language" gets about 465 results, but "Zazaki language" gets only about 61 results. Per WP:CONCISE. "Zazaki" is longer than "Zaza", because of a suffix with 2 extra characters (k, and i). "Zaza language" is the optimal title for this page. --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 03:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Khestwol ( talk) 23:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
A related move discussion is open at Zaza people's talk page. Khestwol ( talk) 23:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
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According to @ Wikaviani:, this source supports the article's claim that the Zazaki alphabet includes letters such as eth, thorn, o-stroke, and aesh. From what I can see of the article, nothing there corroborates anything of the sort (although I don't understand Zazaki, so there's possibly some context I'm missing). If you take a look at the diq:Zazaki article on Zazaki WP, you can also observe that it uses an orthography similar to Kurdish and does not use æ, ð, ø, or þ as this article claims. Would those of you who believe the source supports the table in the article explain why? Snorepion ( talk) 03:21, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Some sentences have been unsourced for years without any attempt to find a reliable source for the claims. Instead of having all those unsourced segments, they should be removed. Furthermore, the File:Zaza DialectsMap-5.gif is not sourced and can be misleading. Again, why have it in the article. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 18:29, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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Although the Zaza language is often considered a Kurdish dialect for political and cultural reasons, Iranian studies (the science of researching Iranian languages) clearly states that Zazaki is an independent language of the Northwestern branch of the Iranian languages. Within this Northwestern branch, the Kurdish languages, together with the Central Iranian dialects, form a genetic subgroup, whereas Zazaki, together with Gorani, forms an independent subunit called Zaza-Gorani. [1] -- Mirzali ( talk) 18:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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This issue persists in the English "Zaza people" page as well, there seems to be people who would like to dedicate the entire sections of the pages, to "Zaza people considering themselves as Kurds", with no adequate source or credible statistical research on their claims. Moreover, Whether Zaza people identify as Kurdish or not, Zazaki language's linguistic classification has nothing to do with Zazas' identity. These editings do not exist in the Turkish page, which uses credible and neutral information regarding Zazas and Zazaki language. 95.13.97.7 ( talk) 18:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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"Zazaki" is the most common name for the language in English, therefore should remain the name of the article. The most recent compendium of information on the Iranian languages uses "Zazaki": Ludwig Paul, "Zazaki", The Iranian Languages, ed. Gernot Windfuhr (2009, Routledge), pages 545-586. -- Taivo ( talk) 10:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
english | persian | zazaki | kurmanci | bulgarian |
---|---|---|---|---|
i know | midânam | ez dizono | ez dizanim | az znam |
you know | midâni | ti dizana | tu dizanî | ti znayş |
i don't know | nemidânam | ez nizon | ez nizanim | az neznam |
you don't know | nemidâni | ti nizona | tu nizanî | ti niznayş |
a dog | sag | kûtik | kûtchik (kûçik) | kutche (kûçe) |
my wife | zanâne-am | djina mi | jina min | jena mi |
-- Alsace38 ( talk) 12:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
The comparaison of linguistists are only on the words but not with the grammmar, and the grammar of zazaki or kurdish is more close to bulgarian thant to any iranian tongs!
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) kennethaw88 • talk 03:22, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Zazaki language → Zaza language – Per WP:COMMONNAME. "Zaza language" is common but "Zazaki" is used rarely. Per the Google Books search, "Zaza language" gets about 465 results, but "Zazaki language" gets only about 61 results. Per WP:CONCISE. "Zazaki" is longer than "Zaza", because of a suffix with 2 extra characters (k, and i). "Zaza language" is the optimal title for this page. --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 03:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Khestwol ( talk) 23:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
A related move discussion is open at Zaza people's talk page. Khestwol ( talk) 23:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
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According to @ Wikaviani:, this source supports the article's claim that the Zazaki alphabet includes letters such as eth, thorn, o-stroke, and aesh. From what I can see of the article, nothing there corroborates anything of the sort (although I don't understand Zazaki, so there's possibly some context I'm missing). If you take a look at the diq:Zazaki article on Zazaki WP, you can also observe that it uses an orthography similar to Kurdish and does not use æ, ð, ø, or þ as this article claims. Would those of you who believe the source supports the table in the article explain why? Snorepion ( talk) 03:21, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Some sentences have been unsourced for years without any attempt to find a reliable source for the claims. Instead of having all those unsourced segments, they should be removed. Furthermore, the File:Zaza DialectsMap-5.gif is not sourced and can be misleading. Again, why have it in the article. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 18:29, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 00:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Although the Zaza language is often considered a Kurdish dialect for political and cultural reasons, Iranian studies (the science of researching Iranian languages) clearly states that Zazaki is an independent language of the Northwestern branch of the Iranian languages. Within this Northwestern branch, the Kurdish languages, together with the Central Iranian dialects, form a genetic subgroup, whereas Zazaki, together with Gorani, forms an independent subunit called Zaza-Gorani. [1] -- Mirzali ( talk) 18:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
References
This issue persists in the English "Zaza people" page as well, there seems to be people who would like to dedicate the entire sections of the pages, to "Zaza people considering themselves as Kurds", with no adequate source or credible statistical research on their claims. Moreover, Whether Zaza people identify as Kurdish or not, Zazaki language's linguistic classification has nothing to do with Zazas' identity. These editings do not exist in the Turkish page, which uses credible and neutral information regarding Zazas and Zazaki language. 95.13.97.7 ( talk) 18:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)