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No other Australian has ever come close to winning an Olympic or World Championship alpine skiing medal.
Malcolm Milne won a bronze at the World Championship at Val Gardena in 1970. Andjam 13:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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There reads: At the 1994 Olympics in Lillehammer, the size of the field was scaled back. Steggall came 22nd out of 28 athletes in the slalom and 24th and last in the giant slalom. She withdrew from the super-G and was unplaced in the overall standings.[5] What overall standing? The article Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics has nothing about an overall standing, and I have never seen such being used in other than World Cup (and other Cups). 85.76.71.5 ( talk) 06:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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Please change Zali Steggall, OAM (born 16 April 1974) is an Australian lawyer, former Olympic athlete and Men's magazine model. It is incorrect and a piece of vandalism; please change to Zali Steggall, OAM (born 16 April 1974) is an Australian lawyer and former Olympic athlete.
Furthermore, please delete both her height and weight, as they are both incorrect. JackHislop ( talk) 02:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Zali Steggall is a men's magazine model, here is a magazine scan of her doing lingerie modelling for a men's magazine: https://forums.auscelebs.net/acnet-files/image.php?id=969733&from=post
Your attempt at historical revisionism is factually incorrect. I did not add the Penthouse Black Label statement and accept this may be inaccurate -- Martin.j.fox ( talk) 07:43, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I have literally linked through to a picture of Zali Steggall in lingerie for the 1995 edition of Inside Sport -- Martin.j.fox ( talk) 07:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Her height and weight comes from Sports Reference. Is that a reliable source? 75 kg sounds a bit high. Adpete ( talk) 10:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Martin.j.fox has continued to insert this photo into the article, as the lead image. This was previously taken out as a copyright violation. Adding text to the picture doesn't change the fact that it is a copyright violation, though Martin asserts it is his own work. It is not a genuine "fan poster" as he claimed, but rather another attempt to get the picture into the article. Even if we could get round the copyright issue, which we can't, I don't think this is an appropriate picture to use for an aspiring politician, especially as a lead picture. As for the claims about her being a "model", we have no reliable source for this. She might have had a couple of glamorous shots taken at the height of her fame as a skier. That's not notable. She is far from "nude" in the photo provided, and only because her camisole (?) is revealed could it be said that she was in lingerie. However, as I said, this is not an appropriate image. She is known as a skier, a barrister, and a political candidate. This photo gives totally the wrong impression.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 06:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
This picture is notable in that there has been a great deal of controversy surrounding the sexist and demeaning treatment of women by Inside Sport. The picture proves beyond a doubt that Zali Steggall was complicit in the behavior of Inside Sport in using sportswomen in such a demeaning and degrading manner. It is clear Zali Steggall did this for monetary gain and it flies in the face of the correct treatment of women in the media. Zali Steggall's hypocritical positions here should be made known in an article that seeks to present an unbiased view of the candidate. -- Martin.j.fox ( talk) 06:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Martin.j.fox is pathetically trying to smear Zali under the guise of concern for "sexism" 203.38.29.204 ( talk) 02:12, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the suggestion that she won on Labor preferences. I can't see this is the source given. On my count she received an extra 13% on preferences. Labor was on 6.2% primary, Greens 5.6%. So she got more than the Labor preferences and the Green preferences combined. Labor preferences were a minor contribution to her preferences, on the figures given. She only needed 5.6% to win, so she was not dependent on Labor preferences at all.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 10:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
This has been added a few times:
We have already said that she advocates action on climate change. The reports on the petition on wind farms are from her opponents, and the petition seems to be a joke. There is no serious proposal for wind farms on the Northern Beaches, and I think they would be impractical. This is similar to the reports about nuclear power stations in the electorate of Bennelong a few years ago. In any case, since she hasn't taken a position on the issue, it doesn't seem relevant to this article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 11:14, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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ClimateChange
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).There are lots of strange statements in the part covering Steggall's skiing career. References to World Cup, European Cup and World Championships are mixed as if they were of the same status. A World Championships in Sestrière in 1996 is mentioned in spite of there being no such competition. That part should be re-written. By somebody. :) Fomalhaut76 ( talk) 14:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Since this has come up again:
The recently reversed 2 January 2022 edits added two primary sources that directly refuted the Wikipedia subject's obfuscation during a media interview, which was referenced directly in the preceding sentence. The edits cite primary sources that discredit the representations made on Steggall's behalf by Gardner. The fact the truth of this matter in all likelihood serves to discredit Steggall is in no way defamatory.
Editor --Jack Upland appears to be a campaign operative working on behalf of Steggall and repeatedly sought to sanitize her Wikipedia entry prior to the 2019 election, to such an extent that he removed primary sources and engaged in significant editorial. These edits do not appear to have been made in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zizek Rocks ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
There are several issues with the information you want to include in the article.
1. They do not use neutral language ('evasive', 'sympathetic') without any source to back those claims up
2. The edition of Penthouse clearly states that Steggall is categorised under Articles and not Pictoral, so unless you can find a source that shows otherwise this is as noteworthy as her being interviewed by the SMH or The Australian.
3. The idea of Gardner coming in to protect her is again not supported by the sources and is POV
4. You need to come up with a reason why posing in lingerie is noteworthy
As far as I am concerned none of that paragraph is noteworthy, although I am open to being convinced if it is radically different to what exists at the moment.
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You're deleting primary sources that directly counter the misleading impression Steggall allowed to be presented on her behalf by Georgie Gardner in the media interview cited in the Wikipedia entry. The alterations to Steggall's Wikipedia page in 2019, referred to erroneously as an "online smear campaign", would appear to be factually correct. It should be of great concern that Jack Upland orchestrated these edits in 2019 and is again sanitizing her Wikipedia entry. The posing in lingerie is noteworthy because Steggall allowed Gardner to falsely claim on her behalf that she had never engaged in these activities, she then proceeded to claim that she was being unfairly victimized by the alterations to her Wikipedia profile. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 02:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Why is she denying it then, or using her proxy in the press (Gardner) to deny it on her behalf? It's not just that she's denying it, or using her proxy to deny it, she's further claiming to have been victimized as a result of information being added to her Wikipedia entry, despite the fact that is factually correct. The magazine appearances (as you rightly point out, are not particularly controversial in and of themselves) are noteworthy because Steggall has made them controversial by denying them and claiming to have been victimized. Wikipedia has made them noteworthy by censoring them and allowing active censorship of the profile of an Australian Parliamentarian. 116.251.39.7 ( talk) 06:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
It is using a magazine known for nude pictures, so when you take out the context that it was an article only, it looks bad for her. That is why this is a non-story and the inclusion of it in the article is at the same time factually correct, not notable and defamatory. This is why she had to address the issue because people were trying to defame her using problematic inferences. That is why it has no place in this article. Playlet ( talk) 06:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
It is not possible for something to be factually correct and defamatory, truth is a defence to defamation. Removing material because "it looks bad for her" is political censorship and undermines the mission of Wikipedia 'to present a neutrally written summary of existing mainstream knowledge in a fair and accurate manner with a straightforward, "just-the-facts style"'. Present the facts and allow people to make up their own minds. Do not remove primary sources because they look bad for Steggall. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 22:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Editor Playlet has been revealed to be a campaign operative for Zoe Daniel. We need a senior editor to investigate whether Jack Upland is one of his sock-puppet accounts. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 06:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Editor Playlet has been confirmed to be a campaign operative for Zoe Daniel and is ideologically aligned with Teal candidates like Zali Steggall, his real name is Rabbi Yaron Gottlieb and he has been suspended for using multiple Wikipedia accounts. Full details are set out below in reporting by The Australian [1]. These revelations bring into question the neutrality of Steggall's Wikipedia profile and unmask an obvious campaign by political operatives to censor and harass contributors. Wikipedia's higher level editors need to address this urgently to restore confidence in the site and the information it contains. This is scandalous and enormously damaging to the reputation of Wikipedia and its oversight processes, particularly as I brought these issues to light earlier and received a ban when I undid the censorship they had engaged in.
Wikipedia query on teal MP Zoe Daniel
REMY VARGA
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5:18AM JULY 12, 2022
The Wikipedia page of teal independent MP Zoe Daniel has been flagged as potentially being created or edited “in return for undisclosed payments”. The online encyclopaedia has added a note to Ms Daniel’s page warning readers that it may violate policies requiring content to represent views fairly, proportionately and without bias.
“This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia’s terms of use,” said the note.
“It may require clean-up to comply with Wikipedia’s content policies, particularly neutral point of view.”
The note was added after The Australian reported the Victorian division of the federal Liberal Party had written to the Australian Electoral Commission about an account called Playlet, which created Ms Daniel’s Wikipedia page.
It was operated by Melbourne rabbi Yaron Gottlieb, who was involved in Ms Daniel’s campaign but has been suspended for the “misuse of multiple Wikipedia accounts”, a practice known as sock puppetry.
Mr Gottlieb said he had never been employed by Ms Daniel nor her campaign and had never made Wikipedia edits for money.
“I have never edited any Wikipedia pages for payment, whether disclosed or not,” he said.
“Suggestions that I have engaged in any nefarious conduct, such as editing Wikipedia for undisclosed payments or to propagate disinformation, are false and defamatory.”
The Australian is not suggesting anyone, Mr Gottlieb or otherwise, made edits to Ms Daniel’s Wikipedia page for money and is reporting only that a note was added. Mr Gottlieb – as Playlet – also created the Wikipedia pages of campaign fundraising vehicle Climate 200, independent candidate for Wentworth Allegra Spender and Greens candidate for Macnamara Steph Hodgins-May.
He also made about 70 edits in the past year to the page of then incumbent MP Tim Wilson, against whom Ms Daniel successfully ran in the Victorian seat of Goldstein, as well as edits to the pages of former treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Victorian Caulfield MP David Southwick.
Mr Wilson said Ms Daniel should prioritise her constituents, given the election was over.
“Zoe Daniel should focus on the people of Goldstein and call off her attack hounds who spread misinformation in the lead-up to the election and should definitely stop now it’s over,” he said. Wikipedia is maintained by online volunteers and anyone with an account is able to edit pages.
All changes are recorded and can be viewed by anyone.
A spokeswoman for Ms Daniel said Mr Gottlieb had never been paid by Ms Daniel or by her campaign.
Mr Gottlieb and his wife, Alex Fein, donated about $350 to Ms Daniel’s campaign in Goldstein, according to the teal MP’s website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zizek Rocks ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Long bow claiming this has anything to do with Zali Steggall. “Ideologically aligned” doesn’t cut the mustard. Ponyshine ( talk) 07:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
No at all, the same editor Playlet has been vigorously editing Zali Steggall's page and it seems likely that he also used his sock-puppet accounts to nail down these edits. Steggall and Daniel are obviously ideologically aligned, they're even supported for the same financial backers, have similar policy platforms and broadly identical branding. This is scandalous for Wikipedia's reputation in the Australian political arena. A senior editor needs to examine the extent of the activity of this account and its sock-puppets on the pages of Australian politicians. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 06:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Censorship and editing of this Wikipedia entry by a political operative and financial donor to Teal candidate MPs resumes unimpeded, despite Playlet's suspension for sock-puppetry. This is a sick joke and reflects poorly on the quality of the editorial oversight. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 08:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi Zali, can you let us know if No Lights No Lycra is coming back to Manly? Thank you Leah 120.18.95.130 ( talk) 13:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Jack Upland says, ”No reference to NIMBY in article” >> Sorry that is not the issue.
What is relevant here is MOS:ALSO >> A "See also" section is a useful way to organize internal links to related or comparable articles and build the web.
Further, many other articles (including those edited by Jack Upland) contain 'See also' sections breaking the 'Upland Requirement'. 'Including Zali Steggall' '==See also==' '* List of grassroots political engagement groups in Australia'
But let's not get into a discussion about WP:OTHERSTUFF
NIMBY - Australia, contains RS Steggall references.
Recommend that ==See also == include
Podestsedop ( talk) 01:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Podestsedop ( talk) 03:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I think this reference to NIMBY is irrelevant
Playlet ( talk) 04:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I have since found out that Steggall did comment about it, in
this article: Ms Steggall has not proposed wind farms in Warringah but said: "The concept behind it, which is let's be sustainable and use renewables as much as possible - whichever form is appropriate for where you're living - is fine." "They think they're being funny but I don't have a problem with it. I certainly support the concept of [making] Warringah like California, as sustainable as possible," Ms Steggall said.
The article describes the petition as "tongue-in-cheek" and "satirical", and says that Steggall's opponent
Tony Abbott dismissed it.--
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Reviewer: I'll take this one. Please note, I view reviews as a conversation to improve the article. Please feel free to discuss anything that I propose. SusunW ( talk · contribs) 15:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Steggall was educated for 18 months in Sydneyhas no citation. Maley's article above confirms she went to school at Queenwood beginning in 1989, but does not confirm 18 months. Please provide a RS.
Albertville in 1992, at the age of 17is cited to The Compendium, p. 218, but it says nothing about Albertville or her age on that page. The previous page in inaccessible to me, but given other entries, it doesn't give bio info on athletes, just the name of the event. Sports-reference.com, which needs to be cited, confirms Albertville as her debut and her age.
event at Sankt Antoncitation goes to a blank page of the Daily Telegraph and no links in Wayback work. This confirms she made it into the top 10 at St. Anton, but doesn't confirm that was her first time in the top tier.
In December, Steggall placedthe link goes to a blank page of the Daily Telegraph and no links in Wayback work. This confirms her 1 second loss to Pärson. After this you need to say that the 2nd place finish made her the first woman from Australia to win an alpine medal in a World Cup competition, cited to Sport Australia Hall of Fame.
She had earlier placed seventh at Park City, but this looks like it says she finished 2nd in Park City and was ranked 7th overall?
10th at Aare, Sweden, the last top 10 result in her career. Those are both cited to that dead Daily Telegraph link and I find nothing in Newspapers.com or a book search. Do you have another source? After the sentence about Vail, you need to input that her Alpine World Championship title was the first for any athlete in the southern hemisphere.
Steggall's Olympic career ended...Why is this sentence not part of the previous paragraph? One sentence paragraphs typically conflict with WP:Proseline as they aren't actually prose, but function as timelines or bullet points. I think it needs to be part of the preceding paragraph.
Steggall is Australia's most internationally successful alpine skierand
In the Winter Olympics she is Australia's first individual medallist, first female medallist, and only medallist in alpine skiing.None of which is cited in the body of the article. The lede is supposed to be a summary of already cited material, so you need this information verified in this section. The link to the Sport Australia Hall of Fame confirms most of that (not only alpine medalist, so if you have a source for that, it needs to be included or removed from the lede), but shows "most internationally successful alpine skier" is a direct quote. (I'm going back to the above and note where you should input the other info from this link.)
Steggall retired from skiing in 2002is not verified in Family Law Chambers but is confirmed in the Sport Australia Hall of Fame. Change link.
She completed a Bachelor of Arts, majoring in communications and media studies from Griffith University, Brisbane, Queensland, and then studied law. She was admitted as a solicitor while working for her father's legal practice, Roper & Steggall, in Manly, New South Wales. In 2008, she was admitted to the NSW Bar.again not verified in Family Law Chambers. This link from the International Ski and Snowboard Federation confirms most of it, but does not give the name of her father's firm. Perhaps link New South Wales Bar Association
Her principal areas of practice as a barrister were family law, sports law, commercial law, real-property law, local government and planning law, corporations and insolvency law, and equity.does not appear to be supported by Family Law Chambers. The Ski Federation confirms sports law. This says sport and family law and this says sport, family, and commercial law. Do you have a source that confirms all of that?
Steggall was councillor to the NSW Bar Association and chair of its Health, Sports, and Recreation Committee from 2010 to 2013is really close to the source material "Steggall served as councillor to the NSW Bar Association from 2010 to 2013 and was Chair of its Health, Sports and Recreation Committee from 2010 to 2013". You need to rephrase. Also, I would probably site it to the Ski Federation site which is not primary.
campaign.[23][17]refs aren't in numerical order.
During the debate, Steggalland Abbott clashed on measures to address climate change, such as stronger vehicle emissions standards, and support for electric cars and charging stations. Abbott opposed subsidizing the car industry. Although Steggall did not favor a mandate for 50 percent electric vehicles by 2030, she supported policies that would move toward that target and sufficient charging stations to support the higher electric use. She felt with better controls in place emissions could be reduced more than 45 percent by 2030. She also supported the creation of an independent advisory to phase out dependence on coal and spur development of renewable energy projects. (Obviously your call, but the source does focus on this topic most.)
vote of 57.24%is this one. Correct archive link.
over 4,100She had 40,034 votes, he had 35,935 a difference of 4,099. Shouldn't it say just under 4,100?
Her victory marked the first time that the traditional blue-ribbon Liberal seat had been out of the hands of the Liberals or their predecessors since its formation in 1922. Don't see this in the cited source. It says "Warringah was first contested at the 1922 election and has always been a safe conservative seat" this says Warringah is "traditionally regarded as a blue-ribbon Liberal seat" and this says it voted for conservative MPs since it was founded.
In March 2021, Steggall joinedI don't think we know when she joined, just that she was a member of the group. The article is dated March 2021, but says "who last year met with Mr Assange in Britain, said the point of the meeting was to express the group's support for Mr Assange" so we know only that it was formed prior to 2020. Perhaps just "In foreign policy matters Steggall, part of the "Bring Julian Assange Home" parliamentary group, opposed extradition of Assange to face charges in the United States on his publishing rights.
2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, The Australian is paywalled and should be marked {{ subscription required}} or you could change it out for this link, which says she felt it pressures athletes to make a political statement for their governments.
Steggall retained her seatJoin to the previous paragraph and just say "She retained".
Deves.[37] Steggall increased her marginafter flows better if you say "Deves, and increased her margin" Link is to the 2019 election with Abbott. Change it to 2022.
large multinational companies evading taxis cited to a primary link by her. this is a secondary source, which appears to be reliable as it has an editorial board who oversees its reporters. After evading tax, I'd probably add "but protected retirees' uperannuations from excessive taxation, per this
making changes to the planned stage three tax cuts. What changes?
In 2007, her relationship with marketing executive Tim Irving was made publicis cited to an article from the Telegraph but both the link and archive go to a blank page in the Herald Sun.
and married later that yearalso says it's an article from the Telegraph but there is no article at the link and the archive page is an error. If you cannot find reliable links, better to just show what you can glean from Maley, they met in 2007, he was a marketing executive and he had 3 daughters. SusunW ( talk) 20:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Okay, that's it from me. Thanks for your work on her. I really enjoyed learning about her life. Please ping me when you have addressed the points above, or if you need to discuss something with me. SusunW ( talk) 20:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Schwede66
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GraziePrego ( talk) 05:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
you need a second source for her membership of the Parliament. Could you please elaborate? GraziePrego, you need to respond to a reviewer's feedback, otherwise this isn't going anywhere. Schwede 66 22:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
A link for her membership of the parliament: https://handbook.aph.gov.au/Parliamentarian/175696 GraziePrego ( talk) 22:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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No other Australian has ever come close to winning an Olympic or World Championship alpine skiing medal.
Malcolm Milne won a bronze at the World Championship at Val Gardena in 1970. Andjam 13:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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There reads: At the 1994 Olympics in Lillehammer, the size of the field was scaled back. Steggall came 22nd out of 28 athletes in the slalom and 24th and last in the giant slalom. She withdrew from the super-G and was unplaced in the overall standings.[5] What overall standing? The article Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics has nothing about an overall standing, and I have never seen such being used in other than World Cup (and other Cups). 85.76.71.5 ( talk) 06:41, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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Please change Zali Steggall, OAM (born 16 April 1974) is an Australian lawyer, former Olympic athlete and Men's magazine model. It is incorrect and a piece of vandalism; please change to Zali Steggall, OAM (born 16 April 1974) is an Australian lawyer and former Olympic athlete.
Furthermore, please delete both her height and weight, as they are both incorrect. JackHislop ( talk) 02:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Zali Steggall is a men's magazine model, here is a magazine scan of her doing lingerie modelling for a men's magazine: https://forums.auscelebs.net/acnet-files/image.php?id=969733&from=post
Your attempt at historical revisionism is factually incorrect. I did not add the Penthouse Black Label statement and accept this may be inaccurate -- Martin.j.fox ( talk) 07:43, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
I have literally linked through to a picture of Zali Steggall in lingerie for the 1995 edition of Inside Sport -- Martin.j.fox ( talk) 07:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Her height and weight comes from Sports Reference. Is that a reliable source? 75 kg sounds a bit high. Adpete ( talk) 10:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Martin.j.fox has continued to insert this photo into the article, as the lead image. This was previously taken out as a copyright violation. Adding text to the picture doesn't change the fact that it is a copyright violation, though Martin asserts it is his own work. It is not a genuine "fan poster" as he claimed, but rather another attempt to get the picture into the article. Even if we could get round the copyright issue, which we can't, I don't think this is an appropriate picture to use for an aspiring politician, especially as a lead picture. As for the claims about her being a "model", we have no reliable source for this. She might have had a couple of glamorous shots taken at the height of her fame as a skier. That's not notable. She is far from "nude" in the photo provided, and only because her camisole (?) is revealed could it be said that she was in lingerie. However, as I said, this is not an appropriate image. She is known as a skier, a barrister, and a political candidate. This photo gives totally the wrong impression.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 06:15, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
This picture is notable in that there has been a great deal of controversy surrounding the sexist and demeaning treatment of women by Inside Sport. The picture proves beyond a doubt that Zali Steggall was complicit in the behavior of Inside Sport in using sportswomen in such a demeaning and degrading manner. It is clear Zali Steggall did this for monetary gain and it flies in the face of the correct treatment of women in the media. Zali Steggall's hypocritical positions here should be made known in an article that seeks to present an unbiased view of the candidate. -- Martin.j.fox ( talk) 06:20, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Martin.j.fox is pathetically trying to smear Zali under the guise of concern for "sexism" 203.38.29.204 ( talk) 02:12, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the suggestion that she won on Labor preferences. I can't see this is the source given. On my count she received an extra 13% on preferences. Labor was on 6.2% primary, Greens 5.6%. So she got more than the Labor preferences and the Green preferences combined. Labor preferences were a minor contribution to her preferences, on the figures given. She only needed 5.6% to win, so she was not dependent on Labor preferences at all.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 10:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
This has been added a few times:
We have already said that she advocates action on climate change. The reports on the petition on wind farms are from her opponents, and the petition seems to be a joke. There is no serious proposal for wind farms on the Northern Beaches, and I think they would be impractical. This is similar to the reports about nuclear power stations in the electorate of Bennelong a few years ago. In any case, since she hasn't taken a position on the issue, it doesn't seem relevant to this article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 11:14, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
References
ClimateChange
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).There are lots of strange statements in the part covering Steggall's skiing career. References to World Cup, European Cup and World Championships are mixed as if they were of the same status. A World Championships in Sestrière in 1996 is mentioned in spite of there being no such competition. That part should be re-written. By somebody. :) Fomalhaut76 ( talk) 14:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Since this has come up again:
The recently reversed 2 January 2022 edits added two primary sources that directly refuted the Wikipedia subject's obfuscation during a media interview, which was referenced directly in the preceding sentence. The edits cite primary sources that discredit the representations made on Steggall's behalf by Gardner. The fact the truth of this matter in all likelihood serves to discredit Steggall is in no way defamatory.
Editor --Jack Upland appears to be a campaign operative working on behalf of Steggall and repeatedly sought to sanitize her Wikipedia entry prior to the 2019 election, to such an extent that he removed primary sources and engaged in significant editorial. These edits do not appear to have been made in good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zizek Rocks ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
There are several issues with the information you want to include in the article.
1. They do not use neutral language ('evasive', 'sympathetic') without any source to back those claims up
2. The edition of Penthouse clearly states that Steggall is categorised under Articles and not Pictoral, so unless you can find a source that shows otherwise this is as noteworthy as her being interviewed by the SMH or The Australian.
3. The idea of Gardner coming in to protect her is again not supported by the sources and is POV
4. You need to come up with a reason why posing in lingerie is noteworthy
As far as I am concerned none of that paragraph is noteworthy, although I am open to being convinced if it is radically different to what exists at the moment.
Playlet (
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You're deleting primary sources that directly counter the misleading impression Steggall allowed to be presented on her behalf by Georgie Gardner in the media interview cited in the Wikipedia entry. The alterations to Steggall's Wikipedia page in 2019, referred to erroneously as an "online smear campaign", would appear to be factually correct. It should be of great concern that Jack Upland orchestrated these edits in 2019 and is again sanitizing her Wikipedia entry. The posing in lingerie is noteworthy because Steggall allowed Gardner to falsely claim on her behalf that she had never engaged in these activities, she then proceeded to claim that she was being unfairly victimized by the alterations to her Wikipedia profile. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 02:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Why is she denying it then, or using her proxy in the press (Gardner) to deny it on her behalf? It's not just that she's denying it, or using her proxy to deny it, she's further claiming to have been victimized as a result of information being added to her Wikipedia entry, despite the fact that is factually correct. The magazine appearances (as you rightly point out, are not particularly controversial in and of themselves) are noteworthy because Steggall has made them controversial by denying them and claiming to have been victimized. Wikipedia has made them noteworthy by censoring them and allowing active censorship of the profile of an Australian Parliamentarian. 116.251.39.7 ( talk) 06:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
It is using a magazine known for nude pictures, so when you take out the context that it was an article only, it looks bad for her. That is why this is a non-story and the inclusion of it in the article is at the same time factually correct, not notable and defamatory. This is why she had to address the issue because people were trying to defame her using problematic inferences. That is why it has no place in this article. Playlet ( talk) 06:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
It is not possible for something to be factually correct and defamatory, truth is a defence to defamation. Removing material because "it looks bad for her" is political censorship and undermines the mission of Wikipedia 'to present a neutrally written summary of existing mainstream knowledge in a fair and accurate manner with a straightforward, "just-the-facts style"'. Present the facts and allow people to make up their own minds. Do not remove primary sources because they look bad for Steggall. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 22:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Editor Playlet has been revealed to be a campaign operative for Zoe Daniel. We need a senior editor to investigate whether Jack Upland is one of his sock-puppet accounts. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 06:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Editor Playlet has been confirmed to be a campaign operative for Zoe Daniel and is ideologically aligned with Teal candidates like Zali Steggall, his real name is Rabbi Yaron Gottlieb and he has been suspended for using multiple Wikipedia accounts. Full details are set out below in reporting by The Australian [1]. These revelations bring into question the neutrality of Steggall's Wikipedia profile and unmask an obvious campaign by political operatives to censor and harass contributors. Wikipedia's higher level editors need to address this urgently to restore confidence in the site and the information it contains. This is scandalous and enormously damaging to the reputation of Wikipedia and its oversight processes, particularly as I brought these issues to light earlier and received a ban when I undid the censorship they had engaged in.
Wikipedia query on teal MP Zoe Daniel
REMY VARGA
NSW REPORTER
5:18AM JULY 12, 2022
The Wikipedia page of teal independent MP Zoe Daniel has been flagged as potentially being created or edited “in return for undisclosed payments”. The online encyclopaedia has added a note to Ms Daniel’s page warning readers that it may violate policies requiring content to represent views fairly, proportionately and without bias.
“This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia’s terms of use,” said the note.
“It may require clean-up to comply with Wikipedia’s content policies, particularly neutral point of view.”
The note was added after The Australian reported the Victorian division of the federal Liberal Party had written to the Australian Electoral Commission about an account called Playlet, which created Ms Daniel’s Wikipedia page.
It was operated by Melbourne rabbi Yaron Gottlieb, who was involved in Ms Daniel’s campaign but has been suspended for the “misuse of multiple Wikipedia accounts”, a practice known as sock puppetry.
Mr Gottlieb said he had never been employed by Ms Daniel nor her campaign and had never made Wikipedia edits for money.
“I have never edited any Wikipedia pages for payment, whether disclosed or not,” he said.
“Suggestions that I have engaged in any nefarious conduct, such as editing Wikipedia for undisclosed payments or to propagate disinformation, are false and defamatory.”
The Australian is not suggesting anyone, Mr Gottlieb or otherwise, made edits to Ms Daniel’s Wikipedia page for money and is reporting only that a note was added. Mr Gottlieb – as Playlet – also created the Wikipedia pages of campaign fundraising vehicle Climate 200, independent candidate for Wentworth Allegra Spender and Greens candidate for Macnamara Steph Hodgins-May.
He also made about 70 edits in the past year to the page of then incumbent MP Tim Wilson, against whom Ms Daniel successfully ran in the Victorian seat of Goldstein, as well as edits to the pages of former treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Victorian Caulfield MP David Southwick.
Mr Wilson said Ms Daniel should prioritise her constituents, given the election was over.
“Zoe Daniel should focus on the people of Goldstein and call off her attack hounds who spread misinformation in the lead-up to the election and should definitely stop now it’s over,” he said. Wikipedia is maintained by online volunteers and anyone with an account is able to edit pages.
All changes are recorded and can be viewed by anyone.
A spokeswoman for Ms Daniel said Mr Gottlieb had never been paid by Ms Daniel or by her campaign.
Mr Gottlieb and his wife, Alex Fein, donated about $350 to Ms Daniel’s campaign in Goldstein, according to the teal MP’s website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zizek Rocks ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Long bow claiming this has anything to do with Zali Steggall. “Ideologically aligned” doesn’t cut the mustard. Ponyshine ( talk) 07:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
No at all, the same editor Playlet has been vigorously editing Zali Steggall's page and it seems likely that he also used his sock-puppet accounts to nail down these edits. Steggall and Daniel are obviously ideologically aligned, they're even supported for the same financial backers, have similar policy platforms and broadly identical branding. This is scandalous for Wikipedia's reputation in the Australian political arena. A senior editor needs to examine the extent of the activity of this account and its sock-puppets on the pages of Australian politicians. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 06:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Censorship and editing of this Wikipedia entry by a political operative and financial donor to Teal candidate MPs resumes unimpeded, despite Playlet's suspension for sock-puppetry. This is a sick joke and reflects poorly on the quality of the editorial oversight. Zizek Rocks ( talk) 08:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi Zali, can you let us know if No Lights No Lycra is coming back to Manly? Thank you Leah 120.18.95.130 ( talk) 13:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Jack Upland says, ”No reference to NIMBY in article” >> Sorry that is not the issue.
What is relevant here is MOS:ALSO >> A "See also" section is a useful way to organize internal links to related or comparable articles and build the web.
Further, many other articles (including those edited by Jack Upland) contain 'See also' sections breaking the 'Upland Requirement'. 'Including Zali Steggall' '==See also==' '* List of grassroots political engagement groups in Australia'
But let's not get into a discussion about WP:OTHERSTUFF
NIMBY - Australia, contains RS Steggall references.
Recommend that ==See also == include
Podestsedop ( talk) 01:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Podestsedop ( talk) 03:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I think this reference to NIMBY is irrelevant
Playlet ( talk) 04:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
I have since found out that Steggall did comment about it, in
this article: Ms Steggall has not proposed wind farms in Warringah but said: "The concept behind it, which is let's be sustainable and use renewables as much as possible - whichever form is appropriate for where you're living - is fine." "They think they're being funny but I don't have a problem with it. I certainly support the concept of [making] Warringah like California, as sustainable as possible," Ms Steggall said.
The article describes the petition as "tongue-in-cheek" and "satirical", and says that Steggall's opponent
Tony Abbott dismissed it.--
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Reviewer: I'll take this one. Please note, I view reviews as a conversation to improve the article. Please feel free to discuss anything that I propose. SusunW ( talk · contribs) 15:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Steggall was educated for 18 months in Sydneyhas no citation. Maley's article above confirms she went to school at Queenwood beginning in 1989, but does not confirm 18 months. Please provide a RS.
Albertville in 1992, at the age of 17is cited to The Compendium, p. 218, but it says nothing about Albertville or her age on that page. The previous page in inaccessible to me, but given other entries, it doesn't give bio info on athletes, just the name of the event. Sports-reference.com, which needs to be cited, confirms Albertville as her debut and her age.
event at Sankt Antoncitation goes to a blank page of the Daily Telegraph and no links in Wayback work. This confirms she made it into the top 10 at St. Anton, but doesn't confirm that was her first time in the top tier.
In December, Steggall placedthe link goes to a blank page of the Daily Telegraph and no links in Wayback work. This confirms her 1 second loss to Pärson. After this you need to say that the 2nd place finish made her the first woman from Australia to win an alpine medal in a World Cup competition, cited to Sport Australia Hall of Fame.
She had earlier placed seventh at Park City, but this looks like it says she finished 2nd in Park City and was ranked 7th overall?
10th at Aare, Sweden, the last top 10 result in her career. Those are both cited to that dead Daily Telegraph link and I find nothing in Newspapers.com or a book search. Do you have another source? After the sentence about Vail, you need to input that her Alpine World Championship title was the first for any athlete in the southern hemisphere.
Steggall's Olympic career ended...Why is this sentence not part of the previous paragraph? One sentence paragraphs typically conflict with WP:Proseline as they aren't actually prose, but function as timelines or bullet points. I think it needs to be part of the preceding paragraph.
Steggall is Australia's most internationally successful alpine skierand
In the Winter Olympics she is Australia's first individual medallist, first female medallist, and only medallist in alpine skiing.None of which is cited in the body of the article. The lede is supposed to be a summary of already cited material, so you need this information verified in this section. The link to the Sport Australia Hall of Fame confirms most of that (not only alpine medalist, so if you have a source for that, it needs to be included or removed from the lede), but shows "most internationally successful alpine skier" is a direct quote. (I'm going back to the above and note where you should input the other info from this link.)
Steggall retired from skiing in 2002is not verified in Family Law Chambers but is confirmed in the Sport Australia Hall of Fame. Change link.
She completed a Bachelor of Arts, majoring in communications and media studies from Griffith University, Brisbane, Queensland, and then studied law. She was admitted as a solicitor while working for her father's legal practice, Roper & Steggall, in Manly, New South Wales. In 2008, she was admitted to the NSW Bar.again not verified in Family Law Chambers. This link from the International Ski and Snowboard Federation confirms most of it, but does not give the name of her father's firm. Perhaps link New South Wales Bar Association
Her principal areas of practice as a barrister were family law, sports law, commercial law, real-property law, local government and planning law, corporations and insolvency law, and equity.does not appear to be supported by Family Law Chambers. The Ski Federation confirms sports law. This says sport and family law and this says sport, family, and commercial law. Do you have a source that confirms all of that?
Steggall was councillor to the NSW Bar Association and chair of its Health, Sports, and Recreation Committee from 2010 to 2013is really close to the source material "Steggall served as councillor to the NSW Bar Association from 2010 to 2013 and was Chair of its Health, Sports and Recreation Committee from 2010 to 2013". You need to rephrase. Also, I would probably site it to the Ski Federation site which is not primary.
campaign.[23][17]refs aren't in numerical order.
During the debate, Steggalland Abbott clashed on measures to address climate change, such as stronger vehicle emissions standards, and support for electric cars and charging stations. Abbott opposed subsidizing the car industry. Although Steggall did not favor a mandate for 50 percent electric vehicles by 2030, she supported policies that would move toward that target and sufficient charging stations to support the higher electric use. She felt with better controls in place emissions could be reduced more than 45 percent by 2030. She also supported the creation of an independent advisory to phase out dependence on coal and spur development of renewable energy projects. (Obviously your call, but the source does focus on this topic most.)
vote of 57.24%is this one. Correct archive link.
over 4,100She had 40,034 votes, he had 35,935 a difference of 4,099. Shouldn't it say just under 4,100?
Her victory marked the first time that the traditional blue-ribbon Liberal seat had been out of the hands of the Liberals or their predecessors since its formation in 1922. Don't see this in the cited source. It says "Warringah was first contested at the 1922 election and has always been a safe conservative seat" this says Warringah is "traditionally regarded as a blue-ribbon Liberal seat" and this says it voted for conservative MPs since it was founded.
In March 2021, Steggall joinedI don't think we know when she joined, just that she was a member of the group. The article is dated March 2021, but says "who last year met with Mr Assange in Britain, said the point of the meeting was to express the group's support for Mr Assange" so we know only that it was formed prior to 2020. Perhaps just "In foreign policy matters Steggall, part of the "Bring Julian Assange Home" parliamentary group, opposed extradition of Assange to face charges in the United States on his publishing rights.
2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, The Australian is paywalled and should be marked {{ subscription required}} or you could change it out for this link, which says she felt it pressures athletes to make a political statement for their governments.
Steggall retained her seatJoin to the previous paragraph and just say "She retained".
Deves.[37] Steggall increased her marginafter flows better if you say "Deves, and increased her margin" Link is to the 2019 election with Abbott. Change it to 2022.
large multinational companies evading taxis cited to a primary link by her. this is a secondary source, which appears to be reliable as it has an editorial board who oversees its reporters. After evading tax, I'd probably add "but protected retirees' uperannuations from excessive taxation, per this
making changes to the planned stage three tax cuts. What changes?
In 2007, her relationship with marketing executive Tim Irving was made publicis cited to an article from the Telegraph but both the link and archive go to a blank page in the Herald Sun.
and married later that yearalso says it's an article from the Telegraph but there is no article at the link and the archive page is an error. If you cannot find reliable links, better to just show what you can glean from Maley, they met in 2007, he was a marketing executive and he had 3 daughters. SusunW ( talk) 20:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Okay, that's it from me. Thanks for your work on her. I really enjoyed learning about her life. Please ping me when you have addressed the points above, or if you need to discuss something with me. SusunW ( talk) 20:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
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GraziePrego ( talk) 05:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
you need a second source for her membership of the Parliament. Could you please elaborate? GraziePrego, you need to respond to a reviewer's feedback, otherwise this isn't going anywhere. Schwede 66 22:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
A link for her membership of the parliament: https://handbook.aph.gov.au/Parliamentarian/175696 GraziePrego ( talk) 22:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)