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On 8 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zechariah. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
On 8 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zacharias. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
It may be better to use for this priest the common modern English spelling Zechariah both in the title and throughout this article. This spelling is used e.g. in the article Elizabeth (Biblical person); but the link there was taking the reader to the prophet Zechariah. I have fixed that link so that it leads to this article. However, a consistent spelling throughout the English Wikipedia for the priest Zechariah must surely be desirable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.9.221 ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 2 October 2005
From a layman's perspective, I must state that Muslims I know refer to this individual as Zacharias and I may not have found this article but for this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.81.252.12 ( talk • contribs) 14:55, 20 July 2006
from Pink: The name that Muslims use when referring to Prophet Zakariya is زكريا (za kaf ra ya alif). Would it be possible for someone to list the various spellings of the name in various languages as is done for other figures common to various religions? 66.112.51.45 ( talk) 18:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC) Pink
The page was recently moved from Zechariah (priest) to Zechariah (New Testament figure), but this was reverted today for lack of evidence that the Old Testament prophet was a priest. IMHO, even though "Zechariah (priest)" was my idea several years ago, the name "Zechariah (New Testament figure)" was an improvement in clarity, and I would support putting it back there. As for Zechariah (Hebrew prophet), he probably was also a priest, and this is referred to in the article. – Fayenatic L ondon 18:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Prophets in the Qur'an template should go the Islamic view of Zechariah article. The last paragraph has a link to this article (Zakariya), but we could add a "see also" link if someone sees it appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriolpont ( talk • contribs) 09:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The Zechariah mentioned in Baha'u'llah's Summons of the Lord of Hosts is NOT this Zechariah (priest), the father of John the Baptist, but the earlier Hebrew prophet of this name. Section moved to Zechariah (Hebrew prophet), "a prophet of the kingdom of Judah" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keislar ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Leslie Weatherhead suggests that Zechariah might have been the biological father of Jesus - see http://DLMcN.com/weatherhead.html ... Some members of the Unification Church subscribe to that view. Is that worth a mention? -- DLMcN ( talk) 04:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Shaam ( Arabic: الـشَّـام, Ash-Shâm) is a region that includes the modern countries of Syria and Lebanon, and the land of Palestine. [1] [2] The term ' Levant' can mean either this region, [3] [4] or in a broader sense, include other places, such as Iraq. [5] Leo1pard ( talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
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To the Arabs, this same territory, which the Romans considered Arabian, formed part of what they called Bilad al-Sham, which was their own name for Syria. From the classical perspective however Syria, including Palestine, formed no more than the western fringes of what was reckoned to be Arabia between the first line of cities and the coast. Since there is no clear dividing line between what are called today the Syrian and Arabian deserts, which actually form one stretch of arid tableland, the classical concept of what actually constituted Syria had more to its credit geographically than the vaguer Arab concept of Syria as Bilad al-Sham. Under the Romans, there was actually a province of Syria, with its capital at Antioch, which carried the name of the territory. Otherwise, down the centuries, Syria like Arabia and Mesopotamia was no more than a geographic expression. In Islamic times, the Arab geographers used the name arabicized as Suriyah, to denote one special region of Bilad al-Sham, which was the middle section of the valley of the Orontes river, in the vicinity of the towns of Homs and Hama. They also noted that it was an old name for the whole of Bilad al-Sham which had gone out of use. As a geographic expression, however, the name Syria survived in its original classical sense in Byzantine and Western European usage, and also in the Syriac literature of some of the Eastern Christian churches, from which it occasionally found its way into Christian Arabic usage. It was only in the nineteenth century that the use of the name was revived in its modern Arabic form, frequently as Suriyya rather than the older Suriyah, to denote the whole of Bilad al-Sham: first of all in the Christian Arabic literature of the period, and under the influence of Western Europe. By the end of that century it had already replaced the name of Bilad al-Sham even in Muslim Arabic usage.
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
– Primary topic and long term significance as the father of John the Baptist. He is also more significant than the minor prophet Zechariah (Hebrew prophet). See pageviews https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2020-09-07&end=2021-09-07&pages=Zechariah%7CZechariah_(New_Testament_figure)%7CZachariah_(film)%7CZechariah_(Hebrew_prophet)%7CZechariah_(given_name)%7CZechariah_(list_of_biblical_figures)%7CZechariah_(disambiguation) Sahaib3005 ( talk) 17:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
The hatnote would look something like this:
Sahaib3005 ( talk) 17:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)“ | The basic maths is that having a primary topic saves a click for readers looking for that topic, but costs a click for readers looking for any other topic, so there's a net gain if more than 50% of readers are looking for the main topic. But that means readers using Go on the specific term in question. | ” |
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Zechariah (New Testament figure) → Zacharias – This page is being needlessly disambiguated with an unconcise and unnatural parenthetical classification when there is a totally natural disambiguating page title of " Zacharias" available and simply acting as a redirect to the Zechariah disambiguation page. While the name Zacharias is obviously derived from "Zechariah", the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of this specific spelling is the New Testament figure, as it is a version of the name created by way of Christian Bible translations. Hence, tertiary sources such as the Easton's Bible Dictionary (a public domain source for this page) have separate entries for Zacharias and Zechariah. I propose naturally disambiguating here, per WP:NCDAB, which prefers natural disambiguation over parenthetical disambiguation (and is doubly applicable here, given the particularly unconcise and unnatural parentheses). Iskandar323 ( talk) 07:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 13:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Zakariya(New Testament figure) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 20 § Zakariya(New Testament figure) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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On 8 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zechariah. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
On 8 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zacharias. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
It may be better to use for this priest the common modern English spelling Zechariah both in the title and throughout this article. This spelling is used e.g. in the article Elizabeth (Biblical person); but the link there was taking the reader to the prophet Zechariah. I have fixed that link so that it leads to this article. However, a consistent spelling throughout the English Wikipedia for the priest Zechariah must surely be desirable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.9.221 ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 2 October 2005
From a layman's perspective, I must state that Muslims I know refer to this individual as Zacharias and I may not have found this article but for this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.81.252.12 ( talk • contribs) 14:55, 20 July 2006
from Pink: The name that Muslims use when referring to Prophet Zakariya is زكريا (za kaf ra ya alif). Would it be possible for someone to list the various spellings of the name in various languages as is done for other figures common to various religions? 66.112.51.45 ( talk) 18:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC) Pink
The page was recently moved from Zechariah (priest) to Zechariah (New Testament figure), but this was reverted today for lack of evidence that the Old Testament prophet was a priest. IMHO, even though "Zechariah (priest)" was my idea several years ago, the name "Zechariah (New Testament figure)" was an improvement in clarity, and I would support putting it back there. As for Zechariah (Hebrew prophet), he probably was also a priest, and this is referred to in the article. – Fayenatic L ondon 18:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Prophets in the Qur'an template should go the Islamic view of Zechariah article. The last paragraph has a link to this article (Zakariya), but we could add a "see also" link if someone sees it appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriolpont ( talk • contribs) 09:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The Zechariah mentioned in Baha'u'llah's Summons of the Lord of Hosts is NOT this Zechariah (priest), the father of John the Baptist, but the earlier Hebrew prophet of this name. Section moved to Zechariah (Hebrew prophet), "a prophet of the kingdom of Judah" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keislar ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Leslie Weatherhead suggests that Zechariah might have been the biological father of Jesus - see http://DLMcN.com/weatherhead.html ... Some members of the Unification Church subscribe to that view. Is that worth a mention? -- DLMcN ( talk) 04:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. There is more info on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org. |
Leo1pard ( talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Shaam ( Arabic: الـشَّـام, Ash-Shâm) is a region that includes the modern countries of Syria and Lebanon, and the land of Palestine. [1] [2] The term ' Levant' can mean either this region, [3] [4] or in a broader sense, include other places, such as Iraq. [5] Leo1pard ( talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
References
To the Arabs, this same territory, which the Romans considered Arabian, formed part of what they called Bilad al-Sham, which was their own name for Syria. From the classical perspective however Syria, including Palestine, formed no more than the western fringes of what was reckoned to be Arabia between the first line of cities and the coast. Since there is no clear dividing line between what are called today the Syrian and Arabian deserts, which actually form one stretch of arid tableland, the classical concept of what actually constituted Syria had more to its credit geographically than the vaguer Arab concept of Syria as Bilad al-Sham. Under the Romans, there was actually a province of Syria, with its capital at Antioch, which carried the name of the territory. Otherwise, down the centuries, Syria like Arabia and Mesopotamia was no more than a geographic expression. In Islamic times, the Arab geographers used the name arabicized as Suriyah, to denote one special region of Bilad al-Sham, which was the middle section of the valley of the Orontes river, in the vicinity of the towns of Homs and Hama. They also noted that it was an old name for the whole of Bilad al-Sham which had gone out of use. As a geographic expression, however, the name Syria survived in its original classical sense in Byzantine and Western European usage, and also in the Syriac literature of some of the Eastern Christian churches, from which it occasionally found its way into Christian Arabic usage. It was only in the nineteenth century that the use of the name was revived in its modern Arabic form, frequently as Suriyya rather than the older Suriyah, to denote the whole of Bilad al-Sham: first of all in the Christian Arabic literature of the period, and under the influence of Western Europe. By the end of that century it had already replaced the name of Bilad al-Sham even in Muslim Arabic usage.
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
– Primary topic and long term significance as the father of John the Baptist. He is also more significant than the minor prophet Zechariah (Hebrew prophet). See pageviews https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2020-09-07&end=2021-09-07&pages=Zechariah%7CZechariah_(New_Testament_figure)%7CZachariah_(film)%7CZechariah_(Hebrew_prophet)%7CZechariah_(given_name)%7CZechariah_(list_of_biblical_figures)%7CZechariah_(disambiguation) Sahaib3005 ( talk) 17:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
The hatnote would look something like this:
Sahaib3005 ( talk) 17:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)“ | The basic maths is that having a primary topic saves a click for readers looking for that topic, but costs a click for readers looking for any other topic, so there's a net gain if more than 50% of readers are looking for the main topic. But that means readers using Go on the specific term in question. | ” |
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Zechariah (New Testament figure) → Zacharias – This page is being needlessly disambiguated with an unconcise and unnatural parenthetical classification when there is a totally natural disambiguating page title of " Zacharias" available and simply acting as a redirect to the Zechariah disambiguation page. While the name Zacharias is obviously derived from "Zechariah", the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of this specific spelling is the New Testament figure, as it is a version of the name created by way of Christian Bible translations. Hence, tertiary sources such as the Easton's Bible Dictionary (a public domain source for this page) have separate entries for Zacharias and Zechariah. I propose naturally disambiguating here, per WP:NCDAB, which prefers natural disambiguation over parenthetical disambiguation (and is doubly applicable here, given the particularly unconcise and unnatural parentheses). Iskandar323 ( talk) 07:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 13:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Zakariya(New Testament figure) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 20 § Zakariya(New Testament figure) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)