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EARLY LIFE (quote) - Zaid Shakir participates as a speaker at Islamic Society of North America annual conferences. [1]
YEARS ABROAD (quote) - ......and writing and speaking frequently on a host of issues. [2]
The above 2 citations have been corrected with references no. 1 and no. 2 above: Imzaid 05:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
The above 2 citations have been corrected with references no. 1 and no. 2 above: Imzaid 09:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Some quotes:
That's an eulogy, not NPOV. {{wikify}}{{sources}} goes without saying. -- tickle me 00:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Not really--it can't be a eulogy if he's not dead! In any event, there's an articne in the 6/18/2006 New York TImes that essentially confirms all of this. [1] and which seems to provide enough info to serve as a citation for most of what's said in the Wikipedia article. Andrewjnyc 02:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
The cite they add to this quote 'Shakir is amongst the most respected and influential Muslim scholars in the West' is from his own institute! Opiner 15:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
This paragraph "Imam Shakir has expressed a hope that the people of the United States submit to Islam, "Every Muslim who is honest would say, I would like to see America become a Muslim country. I think it would help people, and if I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be a Muslim. Because Islam helped me as a person, and it's helped a lot of people in my community" [3]
Stands on its own and has a reliable source. Let the reader decide what to think about it. Fred Talk 14:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Please discuss the specific information contained in the article here rather than repeatedly reverting from one version to another. Fred Talk 12:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Concerning the deleted paragraph, his quote was printed out of context in the NY Times interview (2006). We have the original audio of Goodstein's interview and the written response to the editor regarding the printed quote on file as well. However, this letter was not made public.
As for User: Plot Spoiler, you and the unknown User need to back off from editing this page period. Besides adding the Criticism category ( I have edited), there have been continual deletions of my verified public postings from the following categories: Early life (citations), External links and further reading, Articles and Videos for the last week.It appears there is a personal agenda, and it is not appreciated or professional to impose unsavory intentions. Monteil ( talk) 9:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
This is for the Administrator of Imzaid's page to include the following edit that had been posted for the last year, repeated as an edit all week (constantly deleted by another User), and re-posted as an edit yesterday May 20,2010. It is the last sentence in the first paragraph of the Imzaid's main page:
He is one of the signatories of A Common Word Between Us and You, an open letter by Islamic scholars to Christian leaders, calling for peace and understanding. Monteil ( talk) 9:39am, 21 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
To the Administrator, here are the answers to the above questions with edits. Thus, please post it (2)back as requested:
1) [4]
2)He is one of the signatories of A Common Word Between Us and You, an open letter by Islamic scholars to Christian leaders, calling for peace and understanding, and has become the world’s leading interfaith dialogue initiative. [5]
3)This reason it is important is that "A Common Word between Us and You" is an open letter, dated 13th October 2007, from leaders of the Muslim faith to leaders of the Christian faith. It calls for peace between Muslims and Christians and tries to work for common ground and understanding among both faiths, in line with the Biblical and Quranic commandment to love God, and one’s neighbour. In the short time since its release, “A Common Word” has become the world’s leading interfaith dialogue initiative between Christians and Muslims. It is unprecedented in its scope and success in both the Christian and the Muslim world. The success of the initiative was acknowledged in its being awarded the “Eugen Biser Award” in 2008. That year saw “A Common Word” also receive the “Building Bridges Award” from the UK’s Association of Muslim Social Scientists. Monteil ( talk) 10:39pm, 21 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
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FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR: As of today, it appears that an unsavory User is up to the old tricks again! The edits posted since the block page removal on May 23, 2010 had been reverted twice today.
I also deleted the following paragraph that was added today. It is misleading and not being accepted. I clarified Goodstein's interview last week in the discussion above: Imam Shakir has expressed a hope that the people of the United States convert to Islam, "Every Muslim who is honest would say, I would like to see America become a Muslim country. I think it would help people, and if I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be a Muslim. Because Islam helped me as a person, and it's helped a lot of people in my community." [8]^ # ^ "U.S. Muslim Clerics Seek a Modern Middle Ground" On page 4 of an article by Laurie Goodstein in The New York Times June 18, 2006
It is not professional to have page tag going on and reverting edits that meet Wikipedia's guidelines. If this continues, I request legal input regarding the entire discussion on this page, and reversion since April 23, 2010.
I am a new editor for Imzaid and never had this problem in 2yrs. Monteil ( talk) 3:18pm, 25 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
Here is the proper signature for the above Imzaid discussion today, May 25 2010 at 3:18pm. Monteil ( talk)4:15pm, 25 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
Concerning the current revision as of 07:07, 27 May 2010 (edit) (undo) Jac16888 (talk | contribs) m (→Talkback: new section), you need to read the entire Discussion page for the month of May 2010. Secondly, a devious unknown User has been removing posts to this page (External links - websites, articles, and videos) as well. I have posted everything mentioned above on Zaid Shakir AS IT SHOULD BE. As for the "New York Times" article footnote no. 8, I also posted the CORRECT URL link. It seems this User is bent on posting the quote from this article, but has ill will intentions overall and had plagiarized it which is illegal. Since Monteil Monteil talk page has been deleted, I will continue to use the Imzaid talk page instead. As I had stated in my last comment on the Discussion page, after 2 years without any issues, this back and forth fiasco started April 30, 2010. And, I prefer to converse with Wikipedia's legal team.
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The name of the subject's wife doesn't need heavy duty reliable published sourcing. This edit is based on a misunderstanding of our policy. People know their own name and it is not subject to challenge by third parties in the absence of some issue. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:09, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Per WP:BLP NPOV is especially important. Critique sections have long been phased out of Wikipedia, hence the tag. The tag is a notice to all editors to integrate the material if they feel it important, delete it if not. per this page, (opinion) the contents in that section are of no significance to merit inclusion in the bio period. Tags rational is self-explanatory in this case. -- Inayity ( talk) 21:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
In the "recent work in America" section (I'm not fond of that name either), there is an excessive amount of quoting at the bottom. These should be rewritten in narrative form though at the moment I don't have the energy for such rewrites myself. Perhaps someone could take the time to do so. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 06:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
What is the justification for the category Category:Muslim apologists? Where is the evidence that the subject has defended Islam against criticism? Tanbircdq ( talk) 20:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
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Text document with red question mark.svg This article uses bare URLs for citations. Please consider adding full citations so that the article remains verifiable in the future. Several templates and the Reflinks tool are available to assist in formatting. (October 2011)
EARLY LIFE (quote) - Zaid Shakir participates as a speaker at Islamic Society of North America annual conferences. [1]
YEARS ABROAD (quote) - ......and writing and speaking frequently on a host of issues. [2]
The above 2 citations have been corrected with references no. 1 and no. 2 above: Imzaid 05:41, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
The above 2 citations have been corrected with references no. 1 and no. 2 above: Imzaid 09:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Some quotes:
That's an eulogy, not NPOV. {{wikify}}{{sources}} goes without saying. -- tickle me 00:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Not really--it can't be a eulogy if he's not dead! In any event, there's an articne in the 6/18/2006 New York TImes that essentially confirms all of this. [1] and which seems to provide enough info to serve as a citation for most of what's said in the Wikipedia article. Andrewjnyc 02:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
The cite they add to this quote 'Shakir is amongst the most respected and influential Muslim scholars in the West' is from his own institute! Opiner 15:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
This paragraph "Imam Shakir has expressed a hope that the people of the United States submit to Islam, "Every Muslim who is honest would say, I would like to see America become a Muslim country. I think it would help people, and if I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be a Muslim. Because Islam helped me as a person, and it's helped a lot of people in my community" [3]
Stands on its own and has a reliable source. Let the reader decide what to think about it. Fred Talk 14:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Please discuss the specific information contained in the article here rather than repeatedly reverting from one version to another. Fred Talk 12:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Concerning the deleted paragraph, his quote was printed out of context in the NY Times interview (2006). We have the original audio of Goodstein's interview and the written response to the editor regarding the printed quote on file as well. However, this letter was not made public.
As for User: Plot Spoiler, you and the unknown User need to back off from editing this page period. Besides adding the Criticism category ( I have edited), there have been continual deletions of my verified public postings from the following categories: Early life (citations), External links and further reading, Articles and Videos for the last week.It appears there is a personal agenda, and it is not appreciated or professional to impose unsavory intentions. Monteil ( talk) 9:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
This is for the Administrator of Imzaid's page to include the following edit that had been posted for the last year, repeated as an edit all week (constantly deleted by another User), and re-posted as an edit yesterday May 20,2010. It is the last sentence in the first paragraph of the Imzaid's main page:
He is one of the signatories of A Common Word Between Us and You, an open letter by Islamic scholars to Christian leaders, calling for peace and understanding. Monteil ( talk) 9:39am, 21 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
To the Administrator, here are the answers to the above questions with edits. Thus, please post it (2)back as requested:
1) [4]
2)He is one of the signatories of A Common Word Between Us and You, an open letter by Islamic scholars to Christian leaders, calling for peace and understanding, and has become the world’s leading interfaith dialogue initiative. [5]
3)This reason it is important is that "A Common Word between Us and You" is an open letter, dated 13th October 2007, from leaders of the Muslim faith to leaders of the Christian faith. It calls for peace between Muslims and Christians and tries to work for common ground and understanding among both faiths, in line with the Biblical and Quranic commandment to love God, and one’s neighbour. In the short time since its release, “A Common Word” has become the world’s leading interfaith dialogue initiative between Christians and Muslims. It is unprecedented in its scope and success in both the Christian and the Muslim world. The success of the initiative was acknowledged in its being awarded the “Eugen Biser Award” in 2008. That year saw “A Common Word” also receive the “Building Bridges Award” from the UK’s Association of Muslim Social Scientists. Monteil ( talk) 10:39pm, 21 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
{{
cite news}}
: Check |url=
value (
help); Check date values in: |accessdate=
and |date=
(
help)
FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR: As of today, it appears that an unsavory User is up to the old tricks again! The edits posted since the block page removal on May 23, 2010 had been reverted twice today.
I also deleted the following paragraph that was added today. It is misleading and not being accepted. I clarified Goodstein's interview last week in the discussion above: Imam Shakir has expressed a hope that the people of the United States convert to Islam, "Every Muslim who is honest would say, I would like to see America become a Muslim country. I think it would help people, and if I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be a Muslim. Because Islam helped me as a person, and it's helped a lot of people in my community." [8]^ # ^ "U.S. Muslim Clerics Seek a Modern Middle Ground" On page 4 of an article by Laurie Goodstein in The New York Times June 18, 2006
It is not professional to have page tag going on and reverting edits that meet Wikipedia's guidelines. If this continues, I request legal input regarding the entire discussion on this page, and reversion since April 23, 2010.
I am a new editor for Imzaid and never had this problem in 2yrs. Monteil ( talk) 3:18pm, 25 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
Here is the proper signature for the above Imzaid discussion today, May 25 2010 at 3:18pm. Monteil ( talk)4:15pm, 25 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid ( talk • contribs)
Concerning the current revision as of 07:07, 27 May 2010 (edit) (undo) Jac16888 (talk | contribs) m (→Talkback: new section), you need to read the entire Discussion page for the month of May 2010. Secondly, a devious unknown User has been removing posts to this page (External links - websites, articles, and videos) as well. I have posted everything mentioned above on Zaid Shakir AS IT SHOULD BE. As for the "New York Times" article footnote no. 8, I also posted the CORRECT URL link. It seems this User is bent on posting the quote from this article, but has ill will intentions overall and had plagiarized it which is illegal. Since Monteil Monteil talk page has been deleted, I will continue to use the Imzaid talk page instead. As I had stated in my last comment on the Discussion page, after 2 years without any issues, this back and forth fiasco started April 30, 2010. And, I prefer to converse with Wikipedia's legal team.
Imzaid (
talk)
10:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The name of the subject's wife doesn't need heavy duty reliable published sourcing. This edit is based on a misunderstanding of our policy. People know their own name and it is not subject to challenge by third parties in the absence of some issue. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:09, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Per WP:BLP NPOV is especially important. Critique sections have long been phased out of Wikipedia, hence the tag. The tag is a notice to all editors to integrate the material if they feel it important, delete it if not. per this page, (opinion) the contents in that section are of no significance to merit inclusion in the bio period. Tags rational is self-explanatory in this case. -- Inayity ( talk) 21:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
In the "recent work in America" section (I'm not fond of that name either), there is an excessive amount of quoting at the bottom. These should be rewritten in narrative form though at the moment I don't have the energy for such rewrites myself. Perhaps someone could take the time to do so. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 06:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
What is the justification for the category Category:Muslim apologists? Where is the evidence that the subject has defended Islam against criticism? Tanbircdq ( talk) 20:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)