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SEC filing that indicates closures of past ZCMI II stores (and dates of closure): http://sec.edgar-online.com/1996/09/13/00/0000109378-96-000010/Section9.asp
Deseret News article discussing retailing struggling as a whole, record of shopping center names for Phoenix area ZCMI II stores (which had not yet closed, but one had become an 'outlet' and the others adjusted their merchandise selection). http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Apparently Provo "East Bay" location was also converted to a ZCMI Outlet store, shortly after the Mesa Tri-City Mall location: http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=YCMEUMFIUGQB&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Lee Benson, columnist for the Deseret News writes about the botched merger of Meier & Frank with ZCMI after the company closed the store's basement bakery and lunch counter, apparently called "Salt Lake Downstairs" at one point. Talking with employees, it seemed Utah was the forgotten stepchild of the May division based in Portland, Ore. After consolidation with Robinson-May in Hollywood, the stores were actually treated better by the division office. http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Links to Deseret News about ZCMI's "unprecedented" expansion in 1991 before ZCMI II started struggling in Nevada and Arizona: http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=3&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Another link to a slightly earlier article by the D. News clarifying progress on ZCMI expansion - DOES REFERENCE MOVING INTO BOISE, IDAHO. http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=2&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Another reference to looking at spaces in Boise, Idaho and Twin Falls, Idaho (likely Boise Towne Square Mall and Magic Valley Mall): http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=9&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
The Wikipedia entry for ZCMI needs more information on ZCMI's rich history. Any help would be appreciated. As needed, I can help with more recent history (1980's through present). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.163.86.19 ( talk • contribs)
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BetacommandBot 11:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
There was once a carefully documented description of ZCMI locations in this article.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Zions_Cooperative_Mercantile_Institution&oldid=285210855
I don't yet see a consensus for its deletion: the discussions linked from the deletion comment don't suggest a broad consensus of editors, or a convincing argument (to me at least) from the five pillars. In an encyclopedia that lists every railway station, I think a department store employs more people and serves more customers over its lifetime, and many of these locations existed for a century, so they are a significant part of local history and of the pioneers that settled Utah.
I advocate restoring the list.
-- Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) ( Talk) 10:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Removed again for lack of sourcing. Please do not re-add without citing reliable sources. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
By 1890, there were 146 co-ops in 126 settlements of the Utah Territory, constituting one of the first voluntary chain store operations in America. In the 1990s, ZCMI executive management began searching for the locations of the original Utah and Idaho co-ops. As of 1995, 17 dating from 1868 had been found. They included the co-op in Wallsburg, UT, which opened in October 1890. ZC's president visited the Wallsburg location and presented an historical marker indicating it was an original Zions co-op. Among the other 16 locations found up to that time, is Santa Clara, UT, where a co-op operated from 1928 to 1945. There was also one in Sugar House, at 1050 to 1100 East 2100 South. The building housing it was torn down in 2008 or 2009. Cortina2 ( talk) 01:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, when Sandy, Utah's South Towne Center was being built, the construction firm went to ZCMI executive management to ask for help naming it. They in turn went to ZC's in-house advertising department where the copy department came up with the name, South Towne Center (notice it is three words without the use of "mall"), which was accepted by the construction company. ZCMI was the first anchor store in STC for a considerable time. This was ZC's second-largest store. Its square footage was around 290,000. Cortina2 ( talk) 18:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to ZCMI - Cuchullain's common name argument seems persuasive. — Amakuru ( talk) 17:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Zions Cooperative Mercantile Institution →
Zion's Cooperative Mercantile Institution – The apostrophe is part of the business's name. See
this,
this, and
this.
FriendlyGhostUser (
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SEC filing that indicates closures of past ZCMI II stores (and dates of closure): http://sec.edgar-online.com/1996/09/13/00/0000109378-96-000010/Section9.asp
Deseret News article discussing retailing struggling as a whole, record of shopping center names for Phoenix area ZCMI II stores (which had not yet closed, but one had become an 'outlet' and the others adjusted their merchandise selection). http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Apparently Provo "East Bay" location was also converted to a ZCMI Outlet store, shortly after the Mesa Tri-City Mall location: http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=YCMEUMFIUGQB&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Lee Benson, columnist for the Deseret News writes about the botched merger of Meier & Frank with ZCMI after the company closed the store's basement bakery and lunch counter, apparently called "Salt Lake Downstairs" at one point. Talking with employees, it seemed Utah was the forgotten stepchild of the May division based in Portland, Ore. After consolidation with Robinson-May in Hollywood, the stores were actually treated better by the division office. http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Links to Deseret News about ZCMI's "unprecedented" expansion in 1991 before ZCMI II started struggling in Nevada and Arizona: http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=3&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Another link to a slightly earlier article by the D. News clarifying progress on ZCMI expansion - DOES REFERENCE MOVING INTO BOISE, IDAHO. http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=2&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
Another reference to looking at spaces in Boise, Idaho and Twin Falls, Idaho (likely Boise Towne Square Mall and Magic Valley Mall): http://www.desnews.com.ezproxy.westminstercollege.edu/cgi-bin/cqcgi_state/@state.env?CQ_SESSION_KEY=AXNAZOALVEPW&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=9&CQ_TEXT_MAIN=YES
The Wikipedia entry for ZCMI needs more information on ZCMI's rich history. Any help would be appreciated. As needed, I can help with more recent history (1980's through present). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.163.86.19 ( talk • contribs)
Image:ZCMIlogo1997.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 11:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
There was once a carefully documented description of ZCMI locations in this article.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Zions_Cooperative_Mercantile_Institution&oldid=285210855
I don't yet see a consensus for its deletion: the discussions linked from the deletion comment don't suggest a broad consensus of editors, or a convincing argument (to me at least) from the five pillars. In an encyclopedia that lists every railway station, I think a department store employs more people and serves more customers over its lifetime, and many of these locations existed for a century, so they are a significant part of local history and of the pioneers that settled Utah.
I advocate restoring the list.
-- Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) ( Talk) 10:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Removed again for lack of sourcing. Please do not re-add without citing reliable sources. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 23:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
By 1890, there were 146 co-ops in 126 settlements of the Utah Territory, constituting one of the first voluntary chain store operations in America. In the 1990s, ZCMI executive management began searching for the locations of the original Utah and Idaho co-ops. As of 1995, 17 dating from 1868 had been found. They included the co-op in Wallsburg, UT, which opened in October 1890. ZC's president visited the Wallsburg location and presented an historical marker indicating it was an original Zions co-op. Among the other 16 locations found up to that time, is Santa Clara, UT, where a co-op operated from 1928 to 1945. There was also one in Sugar House, at 1050 to 1100 East 2100 South. The building housing it was torn down in 2008 or 2009. Cortina2 ( talk) 01:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, when Sandy, Utah's South Towne Center was being built, the construction firm went to ZCMI executive management to ask for help naming it. They in turn went to ZC's in-house advertising department where the copy department came up with the name, South Towne Center (notice it is three words without the use of "mall"), which was accepted by the construction company. ZCMI was the first anchor store in STC for a considerable time. This was ZC's second-largest store. Its square footage was around 290,000. Cortina2 ( talk) 18:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to ZCMI - Cuchullain's common name argument seems persuasive. — Amakuru ( talk) 17:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Zions Cooperative Mercantile Institution →
Zion's Cooperative Mercantile Institution – The apostrophe is part of the business's name. See
this,
this, and
this.
FriendlyGhostUser (
talk)
23:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)