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The picture will have to go! A yurt is covered with felt!
I would like to state that surely the Yurts of Central Asia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc are still 'Yurts' even if they utilise a canvas cover over an underlying cover of felt? This is quite common in some areas and certainly in Mongolia (Gers) where it is cheaper for the Yurt owner to use canvas instead of replacing an old felt cover due to the high value of sheep fleeces. -- Yurtshop 19:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, this is not a yurt in the traditional sense.
It would be nice if Yomes could also be mentioned, they are not exactly yurts, but are relatd to them, and come from the same part of the world
In Australia, people build eight sided buildings that they refer to as yurts. They can be made from all kinds of materials, wood, mud brick etc.
I added a photo of a Kalmyk encampment (with ghers) in the Kalmyk article. Check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmyk
-- Buzava 19:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I have recently uploaded a new page to my website. It discusses the recreation of a Turkoman Yurt from original plan and is the same plan for the design of the 'Turkestan Yurt' pictured on the Wikipedia Yurt page. It covers Yurt shapes, terminology, regional information relating specifically to the Turkoman Yurt and other valuable information. The page can be found at http://www.yurtshop.com/history_of_yurts.html and will be added to as i continue to interpret the reconstruction conclusions and research. I would like this page be added as a useful external link in the Wiklipedia Yurts page matt@yurtshop.com -- Yurtshop 19:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Does the community think that there should be mention of other structures that are inspired by the traditional yurt? I am thinking about things like Tapered-wall wooden yurts and frame-panel wooden yurts as documented by http://yurtinfo.org. Though not traditional yurts, it seems valuable to include structures that get inspiration from the yurt.
What are the thoughts on creating a new dedicated page about shelters that have evolved from the yurt? Does anyone else detect a negative tone under the "modern yurts" section concerning structures not strictly adhering to the authors interpretation? Perhaps this page can remain geared towards the traditional structures, and a new page can discuss structures that have evolved or taken inspiration from the yurt.
Yurt head 20:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
a tented vehicle used by some nomads, e.g. Roma. It is not built on the ground.
I know it may seem impossible that color photographs existed in 1913, but it's true. They have existed for much longer than that, but did not come into popular use until fairly recently. Landroo 03:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Latebird, why have you reverted this page, removing my contribution about yurts in popular culture? You cite relevancy, but the quote is about Yurts and it's in the right section, so what's not relevant about it?
AndyC1976 16:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The term shangrak is used in the section on symbolism but is never defined. What's a shangrak? 70.23.171.123 21:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I know that yurts are also used in China, not just by Inner Mongolians, but probably also by some other minorities. However, I do not think the Chinese name is relevant in this article, as yurts are no Han Chinese dwelling. The Russian name is relevant for ethymology, and because it might appear sometimes in english texts [1], but I don't think we should create a list of words for yurts in foreign languages. In fact, I know a yurt that is located less than three km from where I am writing now, still I don't think it is appropriate to add the German word for yurt into the article.
If you could, say, provide evidence that Hui frequently live in yurts and call their dwelling Menggu bao, then we might include the Chinese name. Otherwise I don't really see the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan ( talk • contribs) 18:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Although ancestors of the Hungarians did come from the eurasian steppes, the term 'Jurta' for Yurt is a direct borrowing from Russian, so I deleted the line listing this as a term that Yurt-using cultures use for the structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.234.100 ( talk) 14:39, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm wondering, what exaclty is the etymology of uy from yurt and/or ghar from yurt? are they at all related? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.59.126.21 ( talk) 07:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
in modern turkish, ev and yurt are the same so uy might be ev? I have no idea about ethymology, just saying... -- 78.165.3.121 ( talk) 15:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
The IPA given for ger is [ˈɡɛr] but that specific vowel [ɛ] is not found in the Mongolian IPA key. When I hear Mongolians say гэр, the vowel has a flat i sound, as in "hit", but there's no such corresponding IPA symbol in the Mongolian key. 67.83.99.134 ( talk) 19:21, 11 August 2020 (UTC)corpho
I have tried to expand the leader and clarify the distinction between yurts and gers. It is my understanding that Mongolian people can be offended by westerners referring to their homes with the Turkic name and this shows cultural insensitivity Tim Barnden 27/10/20011
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim Barnden ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Surely there should be a separate article for Ger. The first part of this article on the Yurt emphasises that the two are different -but then gers are not treated separately! Simon Clarke ( talk) 08:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Having lived in Mongolia and visited there for the past 8 years, and having a Mongolian wife, I can state without a doubt that Mongolians are offended by the reference of yurts to gers. Gers should have their own wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.131.233.59 ( talk) 08:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
The word is used not only this kind of special tents but rather for the whole camp or homestead.It was mistakenly applied to the tent by European travellers and from their reports naturally found its way into the vocabulary of ethnologists. The word in Turkish is "Çadır" intead of "Yurt"for such kind of tents.(reference= Kaare Gronbech, The Steppe Region in the World History) rinduzahid( talk) 01:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
2. Save a warm.
3. (Язык сломаешь ..) )
Рыба в чещуе потомушто холодная. Относительно твёрдого льда. Лёд сверху - холоднее.
А когда олени дышат - бывает пар идёт. Бывает и от человека. Это - неудобно. Потомушто ресницы слипаютца! Вооот ..
Кароче таскать нада! Жизнь такая .. Таскает нас. Можно и ехать ..
И чоо ?? )))
P.S. Temna materia !! 176.59.207.50 ( talk) 01:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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The picture will have to go! A yurt is covered with felt!
I would like to state that surely the Yurts of Central Asia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc are still 'Yurts' even if they utilise a canvas cover over an underlying cover of felt? This is quite common in some areas and certainly in Mongolia (Gers) where it is cheaper for the Yurt owner to use canvas instead of replacing an old felt cover due to the high value of sheep fleeces. -- Yurtshop 19:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, this is not a yurt in the traditional sense.
It would be nice if Yomes could also be mentioned, they are not exactly yurts, but are relatd to them, and come from the same part of the world
In Australia, people build eight sided buildings that they refer to as yurts. They can be made from all kinds of materials, wood, mud brick etc.
I added a photo of a Kalmyk encampment (with ghers) in the Kalmyk article. Check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmyk
-- Buzava 19:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I have recently uploaded a new page to my website. It discusses the recreation of a Turkoman Yurt from original plan and is the same plan for the design of the 'Turkestan Yurt' pictured on the Wikipedia Yurt page. It covers Yurt shapes, terminology, regional information relating specifically to the Turkoman Yurt and other valuable information. The page can be found at http://www.yurtshop.com/history_of_yurts.html and will be added to as i continue to interpret the reconstruction conclusions and research. I would like this page be added as a useful external link in the Wiklipedia Yurts page matt@yurtshop.com -- Yurtshop 19:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Does the community think that there should be mention of other structures that are inspired by the traditional yurt? I am thinking about things like Tapered-wall wooden yurts and frame-panel wooden yurts as documented by http://yurtinfo.org. Though not traditional yurts, it seems valuable to include structures that get inspiration from the yurt.
What are the thoughts on creating a new dedicated page about shelters that have evolved from the yurt? Does anyone else detect a negative tone under the "modern yurts" section concerning structures not strictly adhering to the authors interpretation? Perhaps this page can remain geared towards the traditional structures, and a new page can discuss structures that have evolved or taken inspiration from the yurt.
Yurt head 20:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
a tented vehicle used by some nomads, e.g. Roma. It is not built on the ground.
I know it may seem impossible that color photographs existed in 1913, but it's true. They have existed for much longer than that, but did not come into popular use until fairly recently. Landroo 03:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Latebird, why have you reverted this page, removing my contribution about yurts in popular culture? You cite relevancy, but the quote is about Yurts and it's in the right section, so what's not relevant about it?
AndyC1976 16:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The term shangrak is used in the section on symbolism but is never defined. What's a shangrak? 70.23.171.123 21:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I know that yurts are also used in China, not just by Inner Mongolians, but probably also by some other minorities. However, I do not think the Chinese name is relevant in this article, as yurts are no Han Chinese dwelling. The Russian name is relevant for ethymology, and because it might appear sometimes in english texts [1], but I don't think we should create a list of words for yurts in foreign languages. In fact, I know a yurt that is located less than three km from where I am writing now, still I don't think it is appropriate to add the German word for yurt into the article.
If you could, say, provide evidence that Hui frequently live in yurts and call their dwelling Menggu bao, then we might include the Chinese name. Otherwise I don't really see the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan ( talk • contribs) 18:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Although ancestors of the Hungarians did come from the eurasian steppes, the term 'Jurta' for Yurt is a direct borrowing from Russian, so I deleted the line listing this as a term that Yurt-using cultures use for the structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.234.100 ( talk) 14:39, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm wondering, what exaclty is the etymology of uy from yurt and/or ghar from yurt? are they at all related? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.59.126.21 ( talk) 07:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
in modern turkish, ev and yurt are the same so uy might be ev? I have no idea about ethymology, just saying... -- 78.165.3.121 ( talk) 15:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
The IPA given for ger is [ˈɡɛr] but that specific vowel [ɛ] is not found in the Mongolian IPA key. When I hear Mongolians say гэр, the vowel has a flat i sound, as in "hit", but there's no such corresponding IPA symbol in the Mongolian key. 67.83.99.134 ( talk) 19:21, 11 August 2020 (UTC)corpho
I have tried to expand the leader and clarify the distinction between yurts and gers. It is my understanding that Mongolian people can be offended by westerners referring to their homes with the Turkic name and this shows cultural insensitivity Tim Barnden 27/10/20011
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim Barnden ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Surely there should be a separate article for Ger. The first part of this article on the Yurt emphasises that the two are different -but then gers are not treated separately! Simon Clarke ( talk) 08:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Having lived in Mongolia and visited there for the past 8 years, and having a Mongolian wife, I can state without a doubt that Mongolians are offended by the reference of yurts to gers. Gers should have their own wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.131.233.59 ( talk) 08:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
The word is used not only this kind of special tents but rather for the whole camp or homestead.It was mistakenly applied to the tent by European travellers and from their reports naturally found its way into the vocabulary of ethnologists. The word in Turkish is "Çadır" intead of "Yurt"for such kind of tents.(reference= Kaare Gronbech, The Steppe Region in the World History) rinduzahid( talk) 01:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
2. Save a warm.
3. (Язык сломаешь ..) )
Рыба в чещуе потомушто холодная. Относительно твёрдого льда. Лёд сверху - холоднее.
А когда олени дышат - бывает пар идёт. Бывает и от человека. Это - неудобно. Потомушто ресницы слипаютца! Вооот ..
Кароче таскать нада! Жизнь такая .. Таскает нас. Можно и ехать ..
И чоо ?? )))
P.S. Temna materia !! 176.59.207.50 ( talk) 01:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)