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This article is a mess and totally unreliable. I suggest deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.179.18 ( talk) 20:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Are there any other countries that celebrate yule with effigies of goats?
And is there any possibility that the Swedish word for goat is sometimes used for reindeer? Dexter Nextnumber ( talk) 02:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
The ancient Yule goat tradition survives in southern Europe too, see the article on Kukeri. People still dress up and play the goat (and the stag, the wolf, the bear, also straw-bear and straw-goat costumes) in the Balkans. To quote the Kukeri article: The death and resurrection of the Capra (goat) reflects the death and rebirth of vegetation. Is this relevant enough for inclusion in the Yule goat article ? Gabrieli ( talk) 08:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
From the "History" section:
Should that be "up to the twentieth century"? Even then, it'd have to be the earliest part thereof... I swear, no way is anybody doing that in this century! Furthermore, the quoted source (Frazer's Golden Bough), where I guess "this century" comes from, was published in 1994. -- CRConrad ( talk) 19:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Because as far as I can tell it is completely non-historical. I, being Swedish and interested in folklore, had never heard of this so-called Swedish custom. This article and some neo-pagan books in English are its only Google hits. It does not exist on the Scandinavian internet at all, and I have never seen it mentioned in any books collecting Christmas-related folklore. Amphis ( talk) 20:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Much of the history in the article was unsourced. The Norse pagan connection sounded far too definitive: While the connection to actual goats (and Thor) is a theory, it's a theory that lacks historic sources, so it shouldn't be presented as anything near a known a fact. I think it should be presented, though, since it's been common since at least the 19th century. The article mostly lacked anything about the Yule Goat as a character in the Scandinavian wassailing traditions. I've added info, sources and photos, and tried to restructure the article a bit. I suspect the languange might need more editing, mind, possibly from Swenglish... Amphis ( talk) 22:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
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FWIW, and FYI: The term "Goat" is incorrect, making the page headline, "Yule Goat", a misnomer. The proper translation of the pan-Scandinavian (presumably former Old Norse) term "Julebuk" (spelled in various closely related ways) would be "Jule Buck", not -goat. Term "goat" is spelled "ged/get", term "buck" is spelled "buk/bukk" (both have local variations in spelling). A Buck is an adult, male animal. The exact species of said animal is never disclosed: it could be goat, deer, capricorn, etc., or even a fictional/mythical/extinct species. Term 'Buck' also have several additional meanings (from "horny" ("horny male", that is. The adult sense, not the forehead protuberances), to "fold" (cf the object in question being made of folded straw), to "bow" (in the sense "greet"; not archery. cf Julebukking), to " Sawbuck" (a device for log shortening, cf Yule log), and probably more): additional meanings that "goat" does not have. clsc ( talk) 00:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Halmbock should redirect here (that's the term I searched for); e.g. see: [1]. Thanks for your attention -- 107.15.157.44 ( talk) 19:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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This article is a mess and totally unreliable. I suggest deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.179.18 ( talk) 20:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Are there any other countries that celebrate yule with effigies of goats?
And is there any possibility that the Swedish word for goat is sometimes used for reindeer? Dexter Nextnumber ( talk) 02:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
The ancient Yule goat tradition survives in southern Europe too, see the article on Kukeri. People still dress up and play the goat (and the stag, the wolf, the bear, also straw-bear and straw-goat costumes) in the Balkans. To quote the Kukeri article: The death and resurrection of the Capra (goat) reflects the death and rebirth of vegetation. Is this relevant enough for inclusion in the Yule goat article ? Gabrieli ( talk) 08:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
From the "History" section:
Should that be "up to the twentieth century"? Even then, it'd have to be the earliest part thereof... I swear, no way is anybody doing that in this century! Furthermore, the quoted source (Frazer's Golden Bough), where I guess "this century" comes from, was published in 1994. -- CRConrad ( talk) 19:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Because as far as I can tell it is completely non-historical. I, being Swedish and interested in folklore, had never heard of this so-called Swedish custom. This article and some neo-pagan books in English are its only Google hits. It does not exist on the Scandinavian internet at all, and I have never seen it mentioned in any books collecting Christmas-related folklore. Amphis ( talk) 20:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Much of the history in the article was unsourced. The Norse pagan connection sounded far too definitive: While the connection to actual goats (and Thor) is a theory, it's a theory that lacks historic sources, so it shouldn't be presented as anything near a known a fact. I think it should be presented, though, since it's been common since at least the 19th century. The article mostly lacked anything about the Yule Goat as a character in the Scandinavian wassailing traditions. I've added info, sources and photos, and tried to restructure the article a bit. I suspect the languange might need more editing, mind, possibly from Swenglish... Amphis ( talk) 22:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
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FWIW, and FYI: The term "Goat" is incorrect, making the page headline, "Yule Goat", a misnomer. The proper translation of the pan-Scandinavian (presumably former Old Norse) term "Julebuk" (spelled in various closely related ways) would be "Jule Buck", not -goat. Term "goat" is spelled "ged/get", term "buck" is spelled "buk/bukk" (both have local variations in spelling). A Buck is an adult, male animal. The exact species of said animal is never disclosed: it could be goat, deer, capricorn, etc., or even a fictional/mythical/extinct species. Term 'Buck' also have several additional meanings (from "horny" ("horny male", that is. The adult sense, not the forehead protuberances), to "fold" (cf the object in question being made of folded straw), to "bow" (in the sense "greet"; not archery. cf Julebukking), to " Sawbuck" (a device for log shortening, cf Yule log), and probably more): additional meanings that "goat" does not have. clsc ( talk) 00:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Halmbock should redirect here (that's the term I searched for); e.g. see: [1]. Thanks for your attention -- 107.15.157.44 ( talk) 19:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)