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Per " Nothing About Us Without Us", what do these people(s) call themselves? Where are the sources from these people themselves? This article has what sound like colonialism and othering issues that are setting off some red flags in tone and accuracy. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 20:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Work from how they describe themselves. I spent a lot of time to take the anthro language out. Add the tweaks in from there, don't just hit revert. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi CorbieV, sorry for the delay in getting back to you - I was busy over the Christmas break. Hope you had a good holiday too. Here are the sources that I promised to support Yuin people using totem:
Thank you, -- Sanglorian ( talk) 07:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello Sanglorian and CorbieV, I have been following your discussion and note there appears to be a history, within the State of New South Wales, about the records and history of the use of the concept and word 'totem' to capture and describe local Aboriginal kinship and kin relations beyond humans only to include kin relations to nature .. which was the subject of a whole investigative project here Kinship with the Natural World in NSW, also the subject of consultations with Aboriginal Peoples here Sharing Kinship with Nature ...noting one of the outcomes of which was some negative sensitivity to the use and allocation of 'totems' within National Parks, instead preferring a more general teaching/display of an effective ecological 'kinship' and focus on Aboriginal personal naming and place naming to reveal this kinship .. in preference to the then State National Parks apparent push for 'totems' and 'totemizing' peoples and langscapes .. at least that's the way I read the outcomes of the last report .. maybe reallocating the last and prior century writings about totems to a factual 'past ethnological writings' section or other?? Bruceanthro ( talk) 00:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Harry Warner was a amateur researcher who wrote a lot of information on the Brinja People including my grandmother.
Definitions from Oxford Languages a person who is incompetent or inept at a particular activity. "that bunch of stumbling amateurs"
This very well describes Harry Warner, who I knew personally at Tuross Heads
A more correct reference is A.W. Howitt see link below
To give you some indication of errors
Percy Davis was from Braidwood just south of O'Briens Road
Narramurra or Percy Davis is the male name i.e. Narramurrene the female name. This gets mixed up with Harry Warner and he called Percy both names, and also calls Percy an Ancient Brinja person when in fact he was a Braidwood man
Guthegar means sea coast therefore Narramurra would be a Yuin of the sea coast which he was Wallendgar see Calling of the Spirits by Eileen Morgan page xiv
Narramurrene is Evelyn Ferguson of Cobargo a Brinja Yuin, Harry Warner mixes the two name at times, the ene is female gender on a name.
Harry Warner also includes a list of name he says are Brinja or Ancient Brinja which cover most of the Aboriginal people alive in 1968. Most if not all are in fact Wabunja
Harry Warner also says the boundary of the Brinja stops at north side of Narooma. Many researches do not agree with his boundary assessment. The Brinja boundary was Corunna Lake. If you go back in time and the sea level was much higher (Tim Stone in Earth Movements and Archaeology near Braidwood, N.S.W. 1985) Therefore, Corunna Lake was the Brinja boundary. This is also confirmed by the first convict Hunt and Bensen the first Aboriginal convict on the south coast both who worked for John Horden now spelt Hawden the first squatter in sept 1824
I prefer to look at Harry Warner 9 volumes as adding to the general knowledge of the Brinja, and any reference needs to have a second reference in support because of the large number of errors
A.W. Howitt link
https://espace.library.uq.edu.au/data/UQ_319345/AU0094_NativeTribes_SE_Australia.pdf?Expires=1691712309&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJKNBJ4MJBJNC6NLQ&Signature=ZeagMh8RsBBtS9XgcaAYFGIuMfp3Dz2Tv1O8TbyltK-umc-FO4SoNBVQghsgwQqxaUDvCHhFtzH3Q8hWHCcfs4F11iRye5E61e8ousWSPx8lTC0MFYfurLG5qrOKdcrxK~bZLDZ~mNv85QK9gmG2bRxYWT7E9erLA9yr1mioRK37RxKm3sZGoZ6~1kkj2kO3ZVT6uoYunWKAZxvhWVSGtVp40QDVq9SBXL80lo775t10E7c6HMoX4L3aJYYU397-yMsldwdxo32RQ5GiwwDAkxX95TWiKRMM7cA7JBQgMeIdtniSn15qS8~mcov0r8nahhiKaA87EVT8QuwiOuUK8g__ Josu1 ( talk) 01:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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Per " Nothing About Us Without Us", what do these people(s) call themselves? Where are the sources from these people themselves? This article has what sound like colonialism and othering issues that are setting off some red flags in tone and accuracy. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 20:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Work from how they describe themselves. I spent a lot of time to take the anthro language out. Add the tweaks in from there, don't just hit revert. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi CorbieV, sorry for the delay in getting back to you - I was busy over the Christmas break. Hope you had a good holiday too. Here are the sources that I promised to support Yuin people using totem:
Thank you, -- Sanglorian ( talk) 07:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello Sanglorian and CorbieV, I have been following your discussion and note there appears to be a history, within the State of New South Wales, about the records and history of the use of the concept and word 'totem' to capture and describe local Aboriginal kinship and kin relations beyond humans only to include kin relations to nature .. which was the subject of a whole investigative project here Kinship with the Natural World in NSW, also the subject of consultations with Aboriginal Peoples here Sharing Kinship with Nature ...noting one of the outcomes of which was some negative sensitivity to the use and allocation of 'totems' within National Parks, instead preferring a more general teaching/display of an effective ecological 'kinship' and focus on Aboriginal personal naming and place naming to reveal this kinship .. in preference to the then State National Parks apparent push for 'totems' and 'totemizing' peoples and langscapes .. at least that's the way I read the outcomes of the last report .. maybe reallocating the last and prior century writings about totems to a factual 'past ethnological writings' section or other?? Bruceanthro ( talk) 00:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Harry Warner was a amateur researcher who wrote a lot of information on the Brinja People including my grandmother.
Definitions from Oxford Languages a person who is incompetent or inept at a particular activity. "that bunch of stumbling amateurs"
This very well describes Harry Warner, who I knew personally at Tuross Heads
A more correct reference is A.W. Howitt see link below
To give you some indication of errors
Percy Davis was from Braidwood just south of O'Briens Road
Narramurra or Percy Davis is the male name i.e. Narramurrene the female name. This gets mixed up with Harry Warner and he called Percy both names, and also calls Percy an Ancient Brinja person when in fact he was a Braidwood man
Guthegar means sea coast therefore Narramurra would be a Yuin of the sea coast which he was Wallendgar see Calling of the Spirits by Eileen Morgan page xiv
Narramurrene is Evelyn Ferguson of Cobargo a Brinja Yuin, Harry Warner mixes the two name at times, the ene is female gender on a name.
Harry Warner also includes a list of name he says are Brinja or Ancient Brinja which cover most of the Aboriginal people alive in 1968. Most if not all are in fact Wabunja
Harry Warner also says the boundary of the Brinja stops at north side of Narooma. Many researches do not agree with his boundary assessment. The Brinja boundary was Corunna Lake. If you go back in time and the sea level was much higher (Tim Stone in Earth Movements and Archaeology near Braidwood, N.S.W. 1985) Therefore, Corunna Lake was the Brinja boundary. This is also confirmed by the first convict Hunt and Bensen the first Aboriginal convict on the south coast both who worked for John Horden now spelt Hawden the first squatter in sept 1824
I prefer to look at Harry Warner 9 volumes as adding to the general knowledge of the Brinja, and any reference needs to have a second reference in support because of the large number of errors
A.W. Howitt link
https://espace.library.uq.edu.au/data/UQ_319345/AU0094_NativeTribes_SE_Australia.pdf?Expires=1691712309&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJKNBJ4MJBJNC6NLQ&Signature=ZeagMh8RsBBtS9XgcaAYFGIuMfp3Dz2Tv1O8TbyltK-umc-FO4SoNBVQghsgwQqxaUDvCHhFtzH3Q8hWHCcfs4F11iRye5E61e8ousWSPx8lTC0MFYfurLG5qrOKdcrxK~bZLDZ~mNv85QK9gmG2bRxYWT7E9erLA9yr1mioRK37RxKm3sZGoZ6~1kkj2kO3ZVT6uoYunWKAZxvhWVSGtVp40QDVq9SBXL80lo775t10E7c6HMoX4L3aJYYU397-yMsldwdxo32RQ5GiwwDAkxX95TWiKRMM7cA7JBQgMeIdtniSn15qS8~mcov0r8nahhiKaA87EVT8QuwiOuUK8g__ Josu1 ( talk) 01:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)