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If you have improvements you want to make to the article, SailOg, get consensus here. You will not do that by assertion, removing referenced content, and adding comments to 2, 3, and eight-year-old talk-page sections. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 (
talk) 08:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC) What is the point in her trying to get consensus when you have ensured that the page is a series of attacks against an organisation you clearly hate?
Gaelach2019 (
talk) 08:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC) Is it perfectly obvious that Bastun is biased and that the whole entry - as others in the talk have noted - is just a series of attacks on the organisation. The use of wayback machine to capture a National Library description which was immediately amended BY the National Library is especially lame, and is dishonest. Eoghan de Faoite is not chair of Youth Defence. And Justin Barrett has not represented the organisation on any level for years. Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC) Bastun should be removed as a moderator on the page. He damages the credibility of this platform Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 08:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC) Let's deal with these one at a time so. Firstly, Bastun is using a reference to the National Library to justify calling this group Neo-Nazi. But the ref is not on the National Library website, since it has long been removed because it was incorrect. Do you - as a fair, unbiased moderator - think it is right to use a dead reference, relying on Wayback machine, and which the National Library removed - to call an entire organisation of people, 'neo nazi' possibly one of the most derogatory things you could say about anyone? You then are linking people who are alive to this neo nazi tag, when they had nothing to do with it. Only Justin Barrett attended that meeting Gaelach2019 ( talk) 08:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 19:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC) who put you in charge? YOU are the disruptive editor who clearly has an axe to grind Gaelach2019 ( talk) 19:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 19:32, 31 January 2020 (UTC) SO deal with my first point on your frankly laughable use of wayback to try to justify a non-existent National Library ref please : : :Firstly, Bastun is using a reference to the National Library to justify calling this group Neo-Nazi. But the ref is not on the National Library website, since it has long been removed because it was incorrect. Do you - as a fair, unbiased moderator - think it is right to use a dead reference, relying on Wayback machine, and which the National Library removed - to call an entire organisation of people, 'neo nazi' possibly one of the most derogatory things you could say about anyone?19:32, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 21:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)Are we 'discussing' your use of a deleted line in the National Library? Are any other editors involved here or is this clearly biased User Bastun deciding what's happening? Gaelach2019 ( talk) 21:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I would like to update this page to reflect current leadership of Youth Defence Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 22:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you that is more accurate. An administrator has also incorrectly linked a Medical Council registration as a referenced source. This is not factual, that belongs to someone else, I am not registered with IMC. Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 18:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Lastly, your 2015 IT article does not mention me as doctor as I do not have this title. Is that also something that could be amended to bear facts. Thank you Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 18:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I've removed the Dr. title for the moment. The medical council link doesn't work, but the registration # in the URL refers to an Eoghan White, which seems like it's probably an Irish/English translation issue (de Faoite = White?), but I'll leave it for someone else to reinsert. I moved the reference to de Faoite out of the lede, since one article in 2015 doesn't seem enough to support having him be the only person named there. BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 19:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
If moderators require additional info I can provide my email Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 20:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
What clarification is needed Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 21:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Clarification: I worked as a doctor. I volunteered with Youth Defence. I was Chairperson of that group in 2015, which is really a title only, it was run by a committee. I have since resigned and left the organization and have not had communication in years. Most of this page has nothing to do with me and refers to periods in time when I was a child. Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 21:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
As a medical practitioner, I believe the current Medical Council's guidelines are crystal clear on the question of intervening in pregnancy when a woman's life is at risk.was said during the Joint Committee on Health and Children debate. While I have no objection to out-of-date information being corrected where necessary, particularly in relation to current membership, I see no reason why the doctor should be left out give it is directly related to Youth Defence. Had it been an occupation of no direct relevance to Youth Defence I could see why it should be left out, but Eoghan de Faoite's own statement makes it directly relevant. FDW777 ( talk) 22:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
What source would be needed for that?well… anything? At the moment, you have provided nothing, All we know is that someone has a wikipedia account with the same name… But that doesn't prove anything! I think you'd agree it would be irresponsible for an encyclopedia to just accept anything anyone says without evidence. So give us something. Is there any statement from YD that you (Eoghan de Faoite) are no longer involved? Has any newspaper published anything saying ”Eoghan de Faoite is no longer involved” (even the tinest snippet of a sentence _anywhere_)? Do have some sort of a (verifiable!) website where you can publish press releases that are reliable? anything! I'm an outsider to YD, I don't know you from Adam, and I see a statement in an Oireachtas Committee versus… a random person on the internet… Sorry but you have to give us something ___ Ebelular ( talk) 19:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
This entire section is highly misleading and extremely partisan. The first sentence "The National Library of Ireland formerly described Youth Defence as "a pro-life organisation and lobby group with strong neo-Nazi links"" which is just outlandish and links to a an archive of a archived document that doesn't even identify itself or give an author. The National Library is a repository of books and pictures, not a political analysis organisation. The whole section violates a litany of WP policies. Aerchasúr ( talk) 22:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I studied the acceptable Wiki sources page and one issue that concerns me on the youth defence page is that many of the sources are not meeting Wikipedia:Acceptable sources because they are not Traceable to the author(s). The national library reference is not Traceability to author and neither is the link to the the defaced website.These have to be cleaned out Aerchasúr ( talk) 11:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Collections in the national library do not count as being published by the national library unless claimed as so, they are very clear about when they publish something and they do not which is not occurring in the case. News articles on news websites have authors which are traceable even if they are not present on the article page. A link to to is not an acceptable source. Unethical and unwikipedia. Do not revert this correction unless you can provide more information. Aerchasúr ( talk) 17:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
This link doesn't appear in the National Library catalogue. It could be a fake for all we know. It isnt authorative, it cant be verified. It can't be traced. it doesnt identify what it proports to be. WP policy is that cContentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately Aerchasúr ( talk) 14:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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If you have improvements you want to make to the article, SailOg, get consensus here. You will not do that by assertion, removing referenced content, and adding comments to 2, 3, and eight-year-old talk-page sections. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 (
talk) 08:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC) What is the point in her trying to get consensus when you have ensured that the page is a series of attacks against an organisation you clearly hate?
Gaelach2019 (
talk) 08:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC) Is it perfectly obvious that Bastun is biased and that the whole entry - as others in the talk have noted - is just a series of attacks on the organisation. The use of wayback machine to capture a National Library description which was immediately amended BY the National Library is especially lame, and is dishonest. Eoghan de Faoite is not chair of Youth Defence. And Justin Barrett has not represented the organisation on any level for years. Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC) Bastun should be removed as a moderator on the page. He damages the credibility of this platform Gaelach2019 ( talk) 23:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 08:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC) Let's deal with these one at a time so. Firstly, Bastun is using a reference to the National Library to justify calling this group Neo-Nazi. But the ref is not on the National Library website, since it has long been removed because it was incorrect. Do you - as a fair, unbiased moderator - think it is right to use a dead reference, relying on Wayback machine, and which the National Library removed - to call an entire organisation of people, 'neo nazi' possibly one of the most derogatory things you could say about anyone? You then are linking people who are alive to this neo nazi tag, when they had nothing to do with it. Only Justin Barrett attended that meeting Gaelach2019 ( talk) 08:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 19:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC) who put you in charge? YOU are the disruptive editor who clearly has an axe to grind Gaelach2019 ( talk) 19:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 19:32, 31 January 2020 (UTC) SO deal with my first point on your frankly laughable use of wayback to try to justify a non-existent National Library ref please : : :Firstly, Bastun is using a reference to the National Library to justify calling this group Neo-Nazi. But the ref is not on the National Library website, since it has long been removed because it was incorrect. Do you - as a fair, unbiased moderator - think it is right to use a dead reference, relying on Wayback machine, and which the National Library removed - to call an entire organisation of people, 'neo nazi' possibly one of the most derogatory things you could say about anyone?19:32, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Gaelach2019 ( talk) 21:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)Are we 'discussing' your use of a deleted line in the National Library? Are any other editors involved here or is this clearly biased User Bastun deciding what's happening? Gaelach2019 ( talk) 21:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I would like to update this page to reflect current leadership of Youth Defence Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 22:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you that is more accurate. An administrator has also incorrectly linked a Medical Council registration as a referenced source. This is not factual, that belongs to someone else, I am not registered with IMC. Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 18:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Lastly, your 2015 IT article does not mention me as doctor as I do not have this title. Is that also something that could be amended to bear facts. Thank you Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 18:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I've removed the Dr. title for the moment. The medical council link doesn't work, but the registration # in the URL refers to an Eoghan White, which seems like it's probably an Irish/English translation issue (de Faoite = White?), but I'll leave it for someone else to reinsert. I moved the reference to de Faoite out of the lede, since one article in 2015 doesn't seem enough to support having him be the only person named there. BubbaJoe123456 ( talk) 19:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
If moderators require additional info I can provide my email Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 20:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
What clarification is needed Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 21:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Clarification: I worked as a doctor. I volunteered with Youth Defence. I was Chairperson of that group in 2015, which is really a title only, it was run by a committee. I have since resigned and left the organization and have not had communication in years. Most of this page has nothing to do with me and refers to periods in time when I was a child. Eoghan de Faoite ( talk) 21:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
As a medical practitioner, I believe the current Medical Council's guidelines are crystal clear on the question of intervening in pregnancy when a woman's life is at risk.was said during the Joint Committee on Health and Children debate. While I have no objection to out-of-date information being corrected where necessary, particularly in relation to current membership, I see no reason why the doctor should be left out give it is directly related to Youth Defence. Had it been an occupation of no direct relevance to Youth Defence I could see why it should be left out, but Eoghan de Faoite's own statement makes it directly relevant. FDW777 ( talk) 22:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
What source would be needed for that?well… anything? At the moment, you have provided nothing, All we know is that someone has a wikipedia account with the same name… But that doesn't prove anything! I think you'd agree it would be irresponsible for an encyclopedia to just accept anything anyone says without evidence. So give us something. Is there any statement from YD that you (Eoghan de Faoite) are no longer involved? Has any newspaper published anything saying ”Eoghan de Faoite is no longer involved” (even the tinest snippet of a sentence _anywhere_)? Do have some sort of a (verifiable!) website where you can publish press releases that are reliable? anything! I'm an outsider to YD, I don't know you from Adam, and I see a statement in an Oireachtas Committee versus… a random person on the internet… Sorry but you have to give us something ___ Ebelular ( talk) 19:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
This entire section is highly misleading and extremely partisan. The first sentence "The National Library of Ireland formerly described Youth Defence as "a pro-life organisation and lobby group with strong neo-Nazi links"" which is just outlandish and links to a an archive of a archived document that doesn't even identify itself or give an author. The National Library is a repository of books and pictures, not a political analysis organisation. The whole section violates a litany of WP policies. Aerchasúr ( talk) 22:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I studied the acceptable Wiki sources page and one issue that concerns me on the youth defence page is that many of the sources are not meeting Wikipedia:Acceptable sources because they are not Traceable to the author(s). The national library reference is not Traceability to author and neither is the link to the the defaced website.These have to be cleaned out Aerchasúr ( talk) 11:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Collections in the national library do not count as being published by the national library unless claimed as so, they are very clear about when they publish something and they do not which is not occurring in the case. News articles on news websites have authors which are traceable even if they are not present on the article page. A link to to is not an acceptable source. Unethical and unwikipedia. Do not revert this correction unless you can provide more information. Aerchasúr ( talk) 17:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
This link doesn't appear in the National Library catalogue. It could be a fake for all we know. It isnt authorative, it cant be verified. It can't be traced. it doesnt identify what it proports to be. WP policy is that cContentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately Aerchasúr ( talk) 14:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)