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http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kissanime.com it says that this page links to KissAnime but I can't find the link.-- 88.104.129.16 ( talk) 22:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
In the description for episode one of the anime, this is one of the sentences: "One day in April three years later, Tsubaki invites Kousei on a double date as Ryota is being introduced to a certain girl who has a crush on Watari.". But, seeing as Ryota and Watari are the same person, isn't something wrong here? Shouldn't it be "...as Ryota/Watari is being introduced to a certain girl who has a crush on him."? Lusotitan ( talk) 01:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Credit for the entire work is given to "Naoshi Arakawa" as a single person. Naoshi and Arakawa are the family names of the illustrator and the author. Credit should be given to Naoshi Komi as the author and Hiromu Arakawa as the illustrator.
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Interview: Your Lie in April Mangaka Naoshi Arakawa. G S Palmer ( talk • contribs) 23:38, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
The translation of the title Shigatsu wa kimi no uso seems off to me. A literal translation would read 'April is your lie'. Unsure why the title is translated the way it is. — Preceding
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The live action has already been released so it should be updated with new information and not be in the future tense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacakira ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
The romance is kind of sidelined for Kousei and Kaori until the very end. Sure, there’s the romance between Tsubaki and Arima, but he main focus is on a depressed musician coming back, and a dying one struggling to live. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:6604:3FC4:5DD:2350:9E90:2806 ( talk) 17:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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@ Link20XX:
That's all for me so far. Good work with the article. Try covering these issues and I'll pass it. Maybe you could use Tokyo Babylon or Rurouni Kenshin: Restoration (none of these are GA though) as models of short mangas to gain more experience when writing these types of article. Tintor2 ( talk) 20:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Tintor2: Hello. See my responses above. Link20XX ( talk) 23:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: Two last things. Can you put a premise about the light novel alongside its English release date? Lastly, remove citations from the lead. The body is meant to reference material from the lead that is supposed have already been covered. Also, if possible does the author talk about the series' creation in those afterwards from the volumes? They are rarely used but it helps if it's available. Tintor2 ( talk) 23:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Tintor2: I added a plot summary for the light novel and removed the references in the lead. As for the inspiration, at least in the volumes I own the author didn't provide much of an inspiration for the series' creation. The only thing I could find was this ANN interview, but I'm not sure if its enough to write a creation section. Link20XX ( talk) 23:57, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Daxell03: Moving to talk to avoid an edit war. Even if it is a music focused anime, they still only did animation. Other anime do similar techniques where they animate over real people to help make animation more fluid and those aren't credited, so I fail to see how this is any different. Side note but titling the reference is also essential, which you did not do. The argument "It's an anime based entirely on music. Without the people performing said music, there would be no anime" could apply to almost anyone on the staff. There wouldn't be an anime without every single person involved in animating it, yet a vast majority aren't credited in the article. The same could be said for all the editors and assistants on the manga. Link20XX ( talk) 04:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: They didn't just create the movements. They are the ones literally performing the soundtrack, the music you're listening to in the show that sounds so amazing.
@ Daxell03: Yes they performed the music the characters played, but in that case it wouldn't make sense to credit them with the characters. If they are to be credited at all, it would make the most sense to do so in media with the soundtrack composer in the "media" section under anime. I still don't think they're notable enough to need to be credited however. Their sole involvement was performing a piece, they didn't actually do any of the writing to make the piece. Link20XX ( talk) 16:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: That sole involvement is the main focus of the show. How is it any different from voice actors? They're just performing the lines, they didn't write them.
@ Daxell03: The voice actors portray the characters. If I asked you to think about Kaori or Kosei, you probably imagine them talking. That's an essential part of the character, but while music is a huge part of the series, the person in real life who performed it probably won't be the first thing that comes to your mind. Other series where music is also a large part like Beck (manga) also don't credit people with those roles. Link20XX ( talk) 17:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: It doesn't mean they shouldn't be credited at all, because they create the magic of the show.
@ Daxell03: Lets compromise. We can credit them in the anime section of media right after the composer. Link20XX ( talk) 18:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Daxell03: Why not credit the performers of the soundtrack too in that case? Your argument makes no sense at all.
eiichira oda, the acclaimed author of one piece, has spoken highly about the your lie in april manga. would this qualify as an appropriate piece of information to add to the article? moreover, what are the standards for the inclusion of these kinds of things? 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 10:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I combed through the article and found several mistakes - I'm sure there are many more that I missed. As such, I think this article's GA standing should be reconsidered. 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 14:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I have been involved in an edit war on this article over the past several days. I am willing to discuss any proposed changes to the article here. The other editor, Phil81194, pushed a number of changes, few of which were productive. Many of their edits served no apparent purpose and many of them involved deleting information with no explanation. As editor Xexerss pointed out, there may be actionable information scattered among the the unhelpful edits, and when Phil81194 made his original batch of edits, I took the time to sort through which ones were productive and which ones were not. However, the newest batch mainly consists of inexplicable structure changes to the article and removals of information, so I reverted the article to it's last stable version. As I explained in the edit summary, I have no problem with sorting out the useful from the unuseful information in Phil81194's most recent edits. However, this process should be done manually, and not through a revision, as per the reasons above. In the meantime, I strongly advise we keep the article stationed where it currently is. Cheers. 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 05:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
...The article is structured in a generic way and there are a lot of segments that disagree with each other, for example: "as it stands, Your Lie in April is still one of my all-time favourite anime." vs. later, "finally I’ve been able to review the second part of what’s potentially one of my all-time favourite anime." The account's bio also follows a generic structure employed by many accounts on news article sites designed for marketing/advertising, although that's not proof on it's own of course. It's worth mentioning that on the reviewer's personal blog ( https://curiositi.es/2015/03/27/your-lie-in-april-anime-review/), they scored the entire show with a low 9, whereas in this "review", they gave both sections a perfect 10. This also raises considerations about this remark: "After completing the anime, I quickly decided that the series deserved to be hailed as one of my all time favourite shows." There are more conflicting views expressed by the user in the AnimeUKNews Discord server, but it would be unreasonable to cite those here.
The reviewer is clearly an enthusiastic fan of the show, but we can't trust a disingenuous advertisement. If someone would like to read both the advertisement and the review and construct citations based only what is included in both, I would have no problem with that, conditioning on it being allowed by WP policy. In the meantime, since this is not the first time I have seen AnimeUKNews engage in this practice, I have opened a thread at WP:RSN here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Animeuknews.net_(Anime_UK_News) 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 18:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
I was mulling over the staff list and something about this did not sit quite right with me. There is little to no information about Aikei or her work online, and almost all of what I could find was published after the release of the show. According to her myanimelist page, she did have prior experience as a character designer, but it was extremely minimal, and consisted only of making small adjustments to characters who already had anime-ready designs in their source material. This is very different from a show like Your Lie in April, which overhauled the character designs in its source material in favor of what were essentially completely original ones. Needless to say, given the status of Your Lie in April and A-1 at the time, it's highly unlikely that someone with this kind of resume would be hired for such a major role. It's not impossible, but a priori it's a very important position and there should be many much more qualified candidates. It's also unprecedented for Japanese studios to hire female character designers for shounen shows, although again obviously not impossible. In addition to all of this she is also credited with being the chief animation director, which is a role that is usually assigned to character designers, but in this case it makes it more unusual given her lack of proper experience.
So of course this gave me pause, and I became suspicious that she had been given the role artificially. I did some digging and it turns out she is married to Kyōhei Ishiguro, the director of the show (and before you ask - NO! - this is not a normal practice. It is again, completely unprecedented.) In contrast to Aikei, there is endless information about Ishiguro and he makes it apparent in his interview that he is extremely involved in and particular about the show. Given this, and the fact that the character designs in the manga received mediocre reception (cited in this article), my bet is Ishiguro wanted to more or less redo the character designs so he and Tateishi, the producer, who was also historically very particular about the show, thought to use his wife as a placeholder in order to do so without having to circumnavigate the bureaucracy of Aniplex. This would explain the generally solid character presentation as well as the animation direction (episode-to-episode consistency, the job of the CAD) which would be extremely tough for a less experienced person. It's also standard practice to have the character designer of the original source material produce modified designs suitable for anime form, and both Ishiguro and Arakawa, the mangaka, note that despite not being officially credited with anything, he did have an unspecified involvement with the anime's production.
So either this is the biggest coincidence in the world or something fishy is going on. I should add that I did more research and the only other 2 works of Ishiguro's where Aikei designed the characters occurred years later after they had opened their own studio, so it's not like they were a special exception to established studios' customs. The character designs and animation direction in these works, as well as Aikei's other shows, while not bad by any means, are very, very far from the level of Your Lie in April. This is both my subjective opinion as someone who has considerable experience with design and designers but also the general and critical receptions of the works. It should be noted that in Aikatsu Stars!, the episodic of the 2 formerly mentioned works, there is no chief animation director credited.
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So, what to make of all this? Obviously I don't think she should be removed from the credits, there's no reason for that, and she probably did contribute in a very major way anyway. I just thought it something worth taking a look at. Does anyone here know the inner workings of the employment process at Aniplex or A-1? I tried researching it a bit but no one seems to agree on what her precise duties were, on animenewsnetwork it credits her with tons of shit but myanimelist as well as her own studio's site claim she was the character designer and chief animation officer and nothing else. Some other sites like IMDb claim her involvement in the show was actually much milder and some other sites like dictionary.goo.ne.jp don't claim she was involved with the show at all, which could be outdatedness I guess? But this feels like playing roulette and rolling off-color every time, there should not be this many oddities and inconsistencies in the work of a normally-employed person. Anyway that's all, cheers 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 01:23, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
I would like to expand the plot section. Does anyone have any requests before I do so? 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 07:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
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http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kissanime.com it says that this page links to KissAnime but I can't find the link.-- 88.104.129.16 ( talk) 22:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
In the description for episode one of the anime, this is one of the sentences: "One day in April three years later, Tsubaki invites Kousei on a double date as Ryota is being introduced to a certain girl who has a crush on Watari.". But, seeing as Ryota and Watari are the same person, isn't something wrong here? Shouldn't it be "...as Ryota/Watari is being introduced to a certain girl who has a crush on him."? Lusotitan ( talk) 01:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Credit for the entire work is given to "Naoshi Arakawa" as a single person. Naoshi and Arakawa are the family names of the illustrator and the author. Credit should be given to Naoshi Komi as the author and Hiromu Arakawa as the illustrator.
2601:602:8880:1093:D8B5:F476:6128:32D2 ( talk) 20:11, 31 December 2015 (UTC)NRose
Interview: Your Lie in April Mangaka Naoshi Arakawa. G S Palmer ( talk • contribs) 23:38, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
The translation of the title Shigatsu wa kimi no uso seems off to me. A literal translation would read 'April is your lie'. Unsure why the title is translated the way it is. — Preceding
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67.21.63.133 (
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18:03, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
The live action has already been released so it should be updated with new information and not be in the future tense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacakira ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
The romance is kind of sidelined for Kousei and Kaori until the very end. Sure, there’s the romance between Tsubaki and Arima, but he main focus is on a depressed musician coming back, and a dying one struggling to live. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:6604:3FC4:5DD:2350:9E90:2806 ( talk) 17:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
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@ Link20XX:
That's all for me so far. Good work with the article. Try covering these issues and I'll pass it. Maybe you could use Tokyo Babylon or Rurouni Kenshin: Restoration (none of these are GA though) as models of short mangas to gain more experience when writing these types of article. Tintor2 ( talk) 20:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Tintor2: Hello. See my responses above. Link20XX ( talk) 23:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: Two last things. Can you put a premise about the light novel alongside its English release date? Lastly, remove citations from the lead. The body is meant to reference material from the lead that is supposed have already been covered. Also, if possible does the author talk about the series' creation in those afterwards from the volumes? They are rarely used but it helps if it's available. Tintor2 ( talk) 23:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Tintor2: I added a plot summary for the light novel and removed the references in the lead. As for the inspiration, at least in the volumes I own the author didn't provide much of an inspiration for the series' creation. The only thing I could find was this ANN interview, but I'm not sure if its enough to write a creation section. Link20XX ( talk) 23:57, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Daxell03: Moving to talk to avoid an edit war. Even if it is a music focused anime, they still only did animation. Other anime do similar techniques where they animate over real people to help make animation more fluid and those aren't credited, so I fail to see how this is any different. Side note but titling the reference is also essential, which you did not do. The argument "It's an anime based entirely on music. Without the people performing said music, there would be no anime" could apply to almost anyone on the staff. There wouldn't be an anime without every single person involved in animating it, yet a vast majority aren't credited in the article. The same could be said for all the editors and assistants on the manga. Link20XX ( talk) 04:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: They didn't just create the movements. They are the ones literally performing the soundtrack, the music you're listening to in the show that sounds so amazing.
@ Daxell03: Yes they performed the music the characters played, but in that case it wouldn't make sense to credit them with the characters. If they are to be credited at all, it would make the most sense to do so in media with the soundtrack composer in the "media" section under anime. I still don't think they're notable enough to need to be credited however. Their sole involvement was performing a piece, they didn't actually do any of the writing to make the piece. Link20XX ( talk) 16:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: That sole involvement is the main focus of the show. How is it any different from voice actors? They're just performing the lines, they didn't write them.
@ Daxell03: The voice actors portray the characters. If I asked you to think about Kaori or Kosei, you probably imagine them talking. That's an essential part of the character, but while music is a huge part of the series, the person in real life who performed it probably won't be the first thing that comes to your mind. Other series where music is also a large part like Beck (manga) also don't credit people with those roles. Link20XX ( talk) 17:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Link20XX: It doesn't mean they shouldn't be credited at all, because they create the magic of the show.
@ Daxell03: Lets compromise. We can credit them in the anime section of media right after the composer. Link20XX ( talk) 18:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Daxell03: Why not credit the performers of the soundtrack too in that case? Your argument makes no sense at all.
eiichira oda, the acclaimed author of one piece, has spoken highly about the your lie in april manga. would this qualify as an appropriate piece of information to add to the article? moreover, what are the standards for the inclusion of these kinds of things? 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 10:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
I combed through the article and found several mistakes - I'm sure there are many more that I missed. As such, I think this article's GA standing should be reconsidered. 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 14:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
I have been involved in an edit war on this article over the past several days. I am willing to discuss any proposed changes to the article here. The other editor, Phil81194, pushed a number of changes, few of which were productive. Many of their edits served no apparent purpose and many of them involved deleting information with no explanation. As editor Xexerss pointed out, there may be actionable information scattered among the the unhelpful edits, and when Phil81194 made his original batch of edits, I took the time to sort through which ones were productive and which ones were not. However, the newest batch mainly consists of inexplicable structure changes to the article and removals of information, so I reverted the article to it's last stable version. As I explained in the edit summary, I have no problem with sorting out the useful from the unuseful information in Phil81194's most recent edits. However, this process should be done manually, and not through a revision, as per the reasons above. In the meantime, I strongly advise we keep the article stationed where it currently is. Cheers. 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 05:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
...The article is structured in a generic way and there are a lot of segments that disagree with each other, for example: "as it stands, Your Lie in April is still one of my all-time favourite anime." vs. later, "finally I’ve been able to review the second part of what’s potentially one of my all-time favourite anime." The account's bio also follows a generic structure employed by many accounts on news article sites designed for marketing/advertising, although that's not proof on it's own of course. It's worth mentioning that on the reviewer's personal blog ( https://curiositi.es/2015/03/27/your-lie-in-april-anime-review/), they scored the entire show with a low 9, whereas in this "review", they gave both sections a perfect 10. This also raises considerations about this remark: "After completing the anime, I quickly decided that the series deserved to be hailed as one of my all time favourite shows." There are more conflicting views expressed by the user in the AnimeUKNews Discord server, but it would be unreasonable to cite those here.
The reviewer is clearly an enthusiastic fan of the show, but we can't trust a disingenuous advertisement. If someone would like to read both the advertisement and the review and construct citations based only what is included in both, I would have no problem with that, conditioning on it being allowed by WP policy. In the meantime, since this is not the first time I have seen AnimeUKNews engage in this practice, I have opened a thread at WP:RSN here: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Animeuknews.net_(Anime_UK_News) 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 18:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
I was mulling over the staff list and something about this did not sit quite right with me. There is little to no information about Aikei or her work online, and almost all of what I could find was published after the release of the show. According to her myanimelist page, she did have prior experience as a character designer, but it was extremely minimal, and consisted only of making small adjustments to characters who already had anime-ready designs in their source material. This is very different from a show like Your Lie in April, which overhauled the character designs in its source material in favor of what were essentially completely original ones. Needless to say, given the status of Your Lie in April and A-1 at the time, it's highly unlikely that someone with this kind of resume would be hired for such a major role. It's not impossible, but a priori it's a very important position and there should be many much more qualified candidates. It's also unprecedented for Japanese studios to hire female character designers for shounen shows, although again obviously not impossible. In addition to all of this she is also credited with being the chief animation director, which is a role that is usually assigned to character designers, but in this case it makes it more unusual given her lack of proper experience.
So of course this gave me pause, and I became suspicious that she had been given the role artificially. I did some digging and it turns out she is married to Kyōhei Ishiguro, the director of the show (and before you ask - NO! - this is not a normal practice. It is again, completely unprecedented.) In contrast to Aikei, there is endless information about Ishiguro and he makes it apparent in his interview that he is extremely involved in and particular about the show. Given this, and the fact that the character designs in the manga received mediocre reception (cited in this article), my bet is Ishiguro wanted to more or less redo the character designs so he and Tateishi, the producer, who was also historically very particular about the show, thought to use his wife as a placeholder in order to do so without having to circumnavigate the bureaucracy of Aniplex. This would explain the generally solid character presentation as well as the animation direction (episode-to-episode consistency, the job of the CAD) which would be extremely tough for a less experienced person. It's also standard practice to have the character designer of the original source material produce modified designs suitable for anime form, and both Ishiguro and Arakawa, the mangaka, note that despite not being officially credited with anything, he did have an unspecified involvement with the anime's production.
So either this is the biggest coincidence in the world or something fishy is going on. I should add that I did more research and the only other 2 works of Ishiguro's where Aikei designed the characters occurred years later after they had opened their own studio, so it's not like they were a special exception to established studios' customs. The character designs and animation direction in these works, as well as Aikei's other shows, while not bad by any means, are very, very far from the level of Your Lie in April. This is both my subjective opinion as someone who has considerable experience with design and designers but also the general and critical receptions of the works. It should be noted that in Aikatsu Stars!, the episodic of the 2 formerly mentioned works, there is no chief animation director credited.
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So, what to make of all this? Obviously I don't think she should be removed from the credits, there's no reason for that, and she probably did contribute in a very major way anyway. I just thought it something worth taking a look at. Does anyone here know the inner workings of the employment process at Aniplex or A-1? I tried researching it a bit but no one seems to agree on what her precise duties were, on animenewsnetwork it credits her with tons of shit but myanimelist as well as her own studio's site claim she was the character designer and chief animation officer and nothing else. Some other sites like IMDb claim her involvement in the show was actually much milder and some other sites like dictionary.goo.ne.jp don't claim she was involved with the show at all, which could be outdatedness I guess? But this feels like playing roulette and rolling off-color every time, there should not be this many oddities and inconsistencies in the work of a normally-employed person. Anyway that's all, cheers 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 01:23, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
I would like to expand the plot section. Does anyone have any requests before I do so? 216.164.249.213 ( talk) 07:11, 11 April 2023 (UTC)