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For example the @xyz thing when you reply to a comment; the lack of the ability to rate a comment; and less significantly the look of the upload progress bar to a prettier more flashy blue scheme. Anything else? Daniel Christensen ( talk) 06:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello, has nobody noticed this?? http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2009/10/y000000000utube.html Founders announce that 1 billion views per day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.141.66 ( talk) 13:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}}I Please provide URL of YouTube site below image box of YouTube. (k1.saurabh 10:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC))
What does it take for your name to become a search suggestion when you start to type it in? Because ever since the other day when I brought up the loading bar thing and the @ comment thing; my naem has been a suggestion. Start typing in 1danielchristensen; when you get to the 1dan it's there and by 1dani it's the only one. 192.156.234.170 ( talk) 23:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC) User:Daniel Christensen
I think it would be great to have a section (or at least a small bit of information) about the user-posted comments on the site. They're generally considered to be of the worst quality on the internet as a whole, and I'm sure there are reliable sources that say this. 75.127.214.162 ( talk) 22:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
My name is no longer suggeted; I don't know how that could be... Daniel Christensen ( talk) 21:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
YouTube introduces automatic captions for deaf viewers, BBC News, 20 November 2009. Is this worth mentioning? -- 86.147.211.32 ( talk) 23:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Though this page is already very content-rich, I'm missing information on the way YouTube videos are streamed over the network to the viewer, perhaps depending on the user's platform (e.g. PC vs. iPhone). -- 193.190.10.145 ( talk) 14:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
This fell by the wayside during the Good Article review process, and there were several reasons for this (see talk page archive here). It has not a single reference to a reliable source, and was too long per WP:NOT#STATS and WP:LISTCRUFT. It was OK when there were only a few formats on YouTube, but it is not practical to publish large scale original research in a Good Article.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The table was the only reason I ever visited this page. It would be a shame for good information to just be deleted, but I guess that's what wikipedia likes to do. Deletists rule with an iron fist here. Rolen47 ( talk) 21:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Strong support for preserving the chart I think someone has taken reference to a very rigid level that started to damaged the usefulness of the article. The chart is very helpful, its data is not in dispute, and can be verified easily. The size and frame rates of the video are indisputable, as one can actually count the number pixel and number of frame. Reference is needed only when a piece of info is in dispute, and obviously the data in the table aren't in any. I don't think "reliable reference" here is applicable and I don't think it should be used as an excuse to remove useful and helpful data. Da Vynci ( talk) 06:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment on a side note, ianmacm seems to take an overly rigid approach to reference, as a result of this, even country's name was messed up in the article. Considering ianmacm's edit summery in the edit he made, apparently in order to follow the reference verbatim, he replaced the more precise term " People's Republic of China" (PRC) with the umbrella term " China". I know that in daily casual speech, China usually refers to PRC, but formally speaking, China could mean two countries: People's Republic of China and Republic of China. As we all know People's Republic of China blocked Youtube, but Republic of China didn't. Hence the precise term was used instead of the China. Ianmacm's rigid obedience to reference in expense of the article accuracy amazed me a bit there. Da Vynci ( talk) 06:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment I think there needs to be more of a compromise on this. Saying that the data is unverifiable or saying that it needs to be verified for 100 million videos is silly. I think the table should be put back but remove the bitrate and encoding rows from the audio and video sections since some offer up that those are more subject to whimsical changes. Most of the information in the table is already on the YouTube page in the video quality section so if YouTube drastically changes their video formats you will still have to make edits. It makes no sense to offer up the argument that we don't want it there because the contents will change. I think the table makes much more sense for the presentation of this information. InfoPotato ( talk) 03:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I've read through some of you guys's comments, and you have some good ideas. Taking those ideas into consideration, how about we re-introduce the table like this?:
Standard | Medium | High | HD | Mobile | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
"fmt" value, container | 34, flv | 18, mp4 | 35, flv | 22, mp4 | 17, 3gp | |
Video | Encoding | MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) | MPEG-4 Part 2 | |||
Aspect ratio | 4:3, 16:9 | 4:3 | 16:9 | 11:9 | ||
Max Resolution | 320×240 400×226 640x360 |
480×360 | 854×480 | 1280×720 | 176×144 | |
Audio | All audio uses AAC encoding with 2 channels at 44.1 kHz. |
InternetMeme ( talk) 16:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I've re-introduced the table, as it is very useful for quickly locating codec information, and is now concise and small enough to not bother most people. InternetMeme ( talk) 11:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's the old version for comparison:
Standard | Medium | High | HD | Mobile | Old formats (pre 2009 Feb) | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Standard | High | Mobile | |||||||
fmt value | 34 | 18 | 35 | 22 | 17 | none | 6 | 13 | |
Container | FLV | MP4 | FLV | MP4 | 3GP | FLV | 3GP | ||
Video | Encoding | MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) | MPEG-4 Part 2 | H.263 | H.263/AMR | ||||
Aspect ratio | 4:3, 16:9 | 4:3 | 16:9 | 11:9 | 4:3 | 4:3 | |||
Max Resolution | 320×240 400×226 640x360 |
480×360 | 854×480 | 1280×720 | 176×144 | 320×240 | 480×360 | 176×144 | |
Bitrate ( kbit/s) | 200 | 512 | 900 | 2000 | ? | 200 | 900 | ? | |
Audio | Encoding | AAC | MP3 | AMR | |||||
Channels | 2 | 1 | |||||||
Sampling rate (Hz) | 44100 | 22050 | 44100 | 8000 | |||||
Bitrate (kbit/s) | ? | 128 | 232 | ? | 64 | 96 | ? |
General Complete name : The Muppets Bohemian Rhapsody 1080.mp4 Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID : mp42 File size : 122 MiB Duration : 4mn 46s Overall bit rate : 3 568 Kbps Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 Tagged date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 gsst : 0 gstd : 286905 gssd : B4A7D04C7
Video ID : 2 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.0 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 4mn 46s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 3 440 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 11.3 Mbps Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16/9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 fps Resolution : 24 bits Colorimetry : 4:2:0 Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.055 Stream size : 117 MiB (96%) Title : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v08.13.2007. Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 Tagged date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:26
Audio ID : 1 Format : AAC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Format version : Version 4 Format profile : LC Format settings, SBR : No Codec ID : 40 Duration : 4mn 46s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 125 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 249 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : L R Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz Resolution : 16 bits Stream size : 4.27 MiB (4%) Title : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v08.13.2007. Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 Tagged date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:26 -- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey Ianmacm,
I'd also like to get some references for the formats listed in the table, do you have any good ideas of where to find them? I'll Google some pertinent terms and see what I can find. InternetMeme ( talk) 17:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The following section:
should be removed or rephrased. Virtually everyone on the planet, except some strange open-source people, have the flash plugin installed. It's as standard as HTML and JavaScript. It's not comparable to QuickTime. This paragraph seems like one of the random camouflage "EVIL $$$ PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE" bashings to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.196.68 ( talk) 02:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
On the issue of HTML5 support, a lot of this is still in the realms of WP:CRYSTAL, since it is highly experimental at the moment. It should also be stressed that the O3D Beach Demo at [4] is not really a video at all, but a demo of 3D modeling in a YouTube video. Internet Explorer does not have a plug-in for O3D at the moment, but Google Chrome does. For anyone who would like to see O3D Beach Demo on a normal browser, it is at [5].-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
In the long run, this could save YouTube a lot of $ on licensing fees, since with HTML5 and VP8 it could bypass Flash technology altogether. This is something for the article to follow, but for the moment YouTube is essentially a Flash-based site.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | ← | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 | → | Archive 20 |
For example the @xyz thing when you reply to a comment; the lack of the ability to rate a comment; and less significantly the look of the upload progress bar to a prettier more flashy blue scheme. Anything else? Daniel Christensen ( talk) 06:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello, has nobody noticed this?? http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2009/10/y000000000utube.html Founders announce that 1 billion views per day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.141.66 ( talk) 13:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}}I Please provide URL of YouTube site below image box of YouTube. (k1.saurabh 10:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC))
What does it take for your name to become a search suggestion when you start to type it in? Because ever since the other day when I brought up the loading bar thing and the @ comment thing; my naem has been a suggestion. Start typing in 1danielchristensen; when you get to the 1dan it's there and by 1dani it's the only one. 192.156.234.170 ( talk) 23:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC) User:Daniel Christensen
I think it would be great to have a section (or at least a small bit of information) about the user-posted comments on the site. They're generally considered to be of the worst quality on the internet as a whole, and I'm sure there are reliable sources that say this. 75.127.214.162 ( talk) 22:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
My name is no longer suggeted; I don't know how that could be... Daniel Christensen ( talk) 21:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
YouTube introduces automatic captions for deaf viewers, BBC News, 20 November 2009. Is this worth mentioning? -- 86.147.211.32 ( talk) 23:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Though this page is already very content-rich, I'm missing information on the way YouTube videos are streamed over the network to the viewer, perhaps depending on the user's platform (e.g. PC vs. iPhone). -- 193.190.10.145 ( talk) 14:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
This fell by the wayside during the Good Article review process, and there were several reasons for this (see talk page archive here). It has not a single reference to a reliable source, and was too long per WP:NOT#STATS and WP:LISTCRUFT. It was OK when there were only a few formats on YouTube, but it is not practical to publish large scale original research in a Good Article.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
The table was the only reason I ever visited this page. It would be a shame for good information to just be deleted, but I guess that's what wikipedia likes to do. Deletists rule with an iron fist here. Rolen47 ( talk) 21:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Strong support for preserving the chart I think someone has taken reference to a very rigid level that started to damaged the usefulness of the article. The chart is very helpful, its data is not in dispute, and can be verified easily. The size and frame rates of the video are indisputable, as one can actually count the number pixel and number of frame. Reference is needed only when a piece of info is in dispute, and obviously the data in the table aren't in any. I don't think "reliable reference" here is applicable and I don't think it should be used as an excuse to remove useful and helpful data. Da Vynci ( talk) 06:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment on a side note, ianmacm seems to take an overly rigid approach to reference, as a result of this, even country's name was messed up in the article. Considering ianmacm's edit summery in the edit he made, apparently in order to follow the reference verbatim, he replaced the more precise term " People's Republic of China" (PRC) with the umbrella term " China". I know that in daily casual speech, China usually refers to PRC, but formally speaking, China could mean two countries: People's Republic of China and Republic of China. As we all know People's Republic of China blocked Youtube, but Republic of China didn't. Hence the precise term was used instead of the China. Ianmacm's rigid obedience to reference in expense of the article accuracy amazed me a bit there. Da Vynci ( talk) 06:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment I think there needs to be more of a compromise on this. Saying that the data is unverifiable or saying that it needs to be verified for 100 million videos is silly. I think the table should be put back but remove the bitrate and encoding rows from the audio and video sections since some offer up that those are more subject to whimsical changes. Most of the information in the table is already on the YouTube page in the video quality section so if YouTube drastically changes their video formats you will still have to make edits. It makes no sense to offer up the argument that we don't want it there because the contents will change. I think the table makes much more sense for the presentation of this information. InfoPotato ( talk) 03:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I've read through some of you guys's comments, and you have some good ideas. Taking those ideas into consideration, how about we re-introduce the table like this?:
Standard | Medium | High | HD | Mobile | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
"fmt" value, container | 34, flv | 18, mp4 | 35, flv | 22, mp4 | 17, 3gp | |
Video | Encoding | MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) | MPEG-4 Part 2 | |||
Aspect ratio | 4:3, 16:9 | 4:3 | 16:9 | 11:9 | ||
Max Resolution | 320×240 400×226 640x360 |
480×360 | 854×480 | 1280×720 | 176×144 | |
Audio | All audio uses AAC encoding with 2 channels at 44.1 kHz. |
InternetMeme ( talk) 16:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I've re-introduced the table, as it is very useful for quickly locating codec information, and is now concise and small enough to not bother most people. InternetMeme ( talk) 11:58, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Here's the old version for comparison:
Standard | Medium | High | HD | Mobile | Old formats (pre 2009 Feb) | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Standard | High | Mobile | |||||||
fmt value | 34 | 18 | 35 | 22 | 17 | none | 6 | 13 | |
Container | FLV | MP4 | FLV | MP4 | 3GP | FLV | 3GP | ||
Video | Encoding | MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) | MPEG-4 Part 2 | H.263 | H.263/AMR | ||||
Aspect ratio | 4:3, 16:9 | 4:3 | 16:9 | 11:9 | 4:3 | 4:3 | |||
Max Resolution | 320×240 400×226 640x360 |
480×360 | 854×480 | 1280×720 | 176×144 | 320×240 | 480×360 | 176×144 | |
Bitrate ( kbit/s) | 200 | 512 | 900 | 2000 | ? | 200 | 900 | ? | |
Audio | Encoding | AAC | MP3 | AMR | |||||
Channels | 2 | 1 | |||||||
Sampling rate (Hz) | 44100 | 22050 | 44100 | 8000 | |||||
Bitrate (kbit/s) | ? | 128 | 232 | ? | 64 | 96 | ? |
General Complete name : The Muppets Bohemian Rhapsody 1080.mp4 Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID : mp42 File size : 122 MiB Duration : 4mn 46s Overall bit rate : 3 568 Kbps Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 Tagged date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 gsst : 0 gstd : 286905 gssd : B4A7D04C7
Video ID : 2 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.0 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 4mn 46s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 3 440 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 11.3 Mbps Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16/9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 fps Resolution : 24 bits Colorimetry : 4:2:0 Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.055 Stream size : 117 MiB (96%) Title : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v08.13.2007. Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 Tagged date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:26
Audio ID : 1 Format : AAC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Format version : Version 4 Format profile : LC Format settings, SBR : No Codec ID : 40 Duration : 4mn 46s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 125 Kbps Maximum bit rate : 249 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : L R Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz Resolution : 16 bits Stream size : 4.27 MiB (4%) Title : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v08.13.2007. Encoded date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:24 Tagged date : UTC 2009-11-23 05:24:26 -- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey Ianmacm,
I'd also like to get some references for the formats listed in the table, do you have any good ideas of where to find them? I'll Google some pertinent terms and see what I can find. InternetMeme ( talk) 17:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The following section:
should be removed or rephrased. Virtually everyone on the planet, except some strange open-source people, have the flash plugin installed. It's as standard as HTML and JavaScript. It's not comparable to QuickTime. This paragraph seems like one of the random camouflage "EVIL $$$ PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE" bashings to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.196.68 ( talk) 02:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
On the issue of HTML5 support, a lot of this is still in the realms of WP:CRYSTAL, since it is highly experimental at the moment. It should also be stressed that the O3D Beach Demo at [4] is not really a video at all, but a demo of 3D modeling in a YouTube video. Internet Explorer does not have a plug-in for O3D at the moment, but Google Chrome does. For anyone who would like to see O3D Beach Demo on a normal browser, it is at [5].-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
In the long run, this could save YouTube a lot of $ on licensing fees, since with HTML5 and VP8 it could bypass Flash technology altogether. This is something for the article to follow, but for the moment YouTube is essentially a Flash-based site.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)