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I don't think the article reads well at the moment, it gives the impression that YR is the default model, whilst concentrating on the differences in 'England'. I'm going to have a hack at reworking slightly. Need to make clear that the orders are conflated in the US but not elsewhere. That probably means discussing the US structure, then adding further discussion to make clear the different structures elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALR ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. There's quite a bit of difference in the York Rite between the US and UK, so much so that separate articles may be in order. Thoughts? -- Faustus37 20:32, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
You gave no citation, only used my own, It was a direct quote, sorry. So I reverted. Zos 07:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I like the new layout, though I did add a new top heading to move the TOC to a better place, and make the intro a little more self-contained. I believe that the Sovereign College entry is inaccurate, though. I yhave always been told it is the York equivalent to the 33rd, and is therefore for service, not proficiency (though they are related). We also need an entry on KYCH. MSJapan 20:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I take issue with the idea that the Red Cross of Constantine is a York Rite Body, and therefore believe that it should not be included in this article. I'm not certain as to why some believe that it is. It may simply be that because the RA Degree (a YR Degree) is a prerequisite for membership in the RCC, that some make a giant step to assume that this makes the RCC a YR Body. Following that logic, then the Shrine was once "a part of both the YR and SR" as they were once prerequisites for the Shrine. If anyone can provide any other logical reason why the RCC is considered a "part" of the YR, I'd like to be enlightened (before I finish my year as Sov. of my Conclave). PGNormand 16:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I can see the hesitation of the RCC being a part of the York Rite degrees. However, it is Concordant to the Royal Arch and thereby makes it a part of the collective degrees. Just like the York Rite itself is Concordant to the Symbolic Degrees of the "Blue" Craft Lodge. I can see how it could be mistake for Appendant, since the York Rite Sovereign College is Appendant. The difference is the YRC is sovereign unto itself, while the RCC is an extension of the Royal Arch.
Maolcholm ( talk) 07:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Looking at the sections on KT and HRA I would think it best to remove them from the York Rite page as they are not necessarily just York Rite. It happens that in the US they are part of what is known as York Rite, but else where they are not considered part of it. Boooooom ( talk) 16:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I am not a Mason but I was told by a Mason that the York Rite is known as the "Red Lodge", the "Blue Lodge" being the first three degrees of Masonry. If this is true then perhaps someone with greater knowledge of this subject can confirm it and make the appropriate reference. If this is incorrect info, please send me the appropriate info. Thanks, LAWinans ( talk) 01:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It's been informally called that, the symbolic color being red- but I've never heard or seen any official use of the term. The Cryptic Rite (Council) is not called the Purple Lodge despite it's use of that color. Saxophobia ( talk) 19:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The Blue or Red Lodge is dependent on the Concordant Body the degrees are performed in. The Scottish or "Red" Rite has its own first three degrees separate form the Symbolic Blue Lodge Degrees which are actually part of the York or "Blue" Rite. The confusion comes by a twofold issue, first the Chapter having reference to lodges in its work and secondly the Scottish Rites usage of the York Rites first 3 degrees in many Jurisdictions. Never-the-less, the "Blue", "Red", "Green", or any other color colloquialisms stem from the first three degrees of that particular Rite (collection of rituals).
Maolcholm ( talk) 07:09, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
One problem with this nomenclature is that some Blue Lodges in Louisiana in the US are also called "red lodges" b/c they confer the first degrees in a unique way related to the SR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2E24:D910:207F:F677:26E8:711A ( talk) 09:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
We should probably include a section on the history and development of the York Rite. I realize that there is much that is not known (such as when the Royal Arch first developed), but there is a great deal that is known (For example, we do know where and when the Cryptic degrees were created). Blueboar ( talk) 15:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
In the Knights Templar section, it's claimed that the Templar Order's "affiliation with Masonry is based on texts that indicate persecuted Templars found refuge within the safety of Freemasonry." The source for this claim is given as http://www.knightstemplar.org/faq1.html#origin, but if you follow the link you'll see this is not at all what the site says. In fact, it states most emphatically: "THERE IS NO PROOF OF DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ANCIENT ORDER AND THE MODERN ORDER KNOWN TO DAY AS THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR." Yonderboy ( talk) 06:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Clarified. PeRshGo ( talk) 09:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
That's not the right logo, because the Sovereign College doesn't govern the Rite, and in fact, to join it, one has to have presided in all the YR bodies (IIRC). There is a combo logo that often gets used for pins. That would be much more appropriate. MSJapan ( talk) 15:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
The article claims that "the Knights Templar require members to be of the Christian faith". This is simply not true. I am a Master Mason, Royal Arch Mason, Cryptic Mason, Knight Templar, 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason, and Shriner. I am also Buddhist, and this fact is well-known among others in these organizations. There are a series of questions that are asked of each Knight Templar candidate, some of which ask about the candidate's faith, however one does not need to be a Christian to be accepted into the Knights Templar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.231.19 ( talk) 04:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the material describing the various degrees that was recently added ( here) is copyrighted. The editor who added it acted in good faith (believing that it was public domain) but unfortunately he was mistaken... the text is taken directly from the York Rite webpage, who in turn copied it (with permission) from the webpage of the New Bern (NC) Chapter. THAT webpage was last copyrighted in 2012, which means it is not in the public domain. It is wonderful material, but unfortunately we can not use it. I have reverted. Blueboar ( talk) 14:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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I don't think the article reads well at the moment, it gives the impression that YR is the default model, whilst concentrating on the differences in 'England'. I'm going to have a hack at reworking slightly. Need to make clear that the orders are conflated in the US but not elsewhere. That probably means discussing the US structure, then adding further discussion to make clear the different structures elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALR ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. There's quite a bit of difference in the York Rite between the US and UK, so much so that separate articles may be in order. Thoughts? -- Faustus37 20:32, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
You gave no citation, only used my own, It was a direct quote, sorry. So I reverted. Zos 07:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I like the new layout, though I did add a new top heading to move the TOC to a better place, and make the intro a little more self-contained. I believe that the Sovereign College entry is inaccurate, though. I yhave always been told it is the York equivalent to the 33rd, and is therefore for service, not proficiency (though they are related). We also need an entry on KYCH. MSJapan 20:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I take issue with the idea that the Red Cross of Constantine is a York Rite Body, and therefore believe that it should not be included in this article. I'm not certain as to why some believe that it is. It may simply be that because the RA Degree (a YR Degree) is a prerequisite for membership in the RCC, that some make a giant step to assume that this makes the RCC a YR Body. Following that logic, then the Shrine was once "a part of both the YR and SR" as they were once prerequisites for the Shrine. If anyone can provide any other logical reason why the RCC is considered a "part" of the YR, I'd like to be enlightened (before I finish my year as Sov. of my Conclave). PGNormand 16:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I can see the hesitation of the RCC being a part of the York Rite degrees. However, it is Concordant to the Royal Arch and thereby makes it a part of the collective degrees. Just like the York Rite itself is Concordant to the Symbolic Degrees of the "Blue" Craft Lodge. I can see how it could be mistake for Appendant, since the York Rite Sovereign College is Appendant. The difference is the YRC is sovereign unto itself, while the RCC is an extension of the Royal Arch.
Maolcholm ( talk) 07:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Looking at the sections on KT and HRA I would think it best to remove them from the York Rite page as they are not necessarily just York Rite. It happens that in the US they are part of what is known as York Rite, but else where they are not considered part of it. Boooooom ( talk) 16:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I am not a Mason but I was told by a Mason that the York Rite is known as the "Red Lodge", the "Blue Lodge" being the first three degrees of Masonry. If this is true then perhaps someone with greater knowledge of this subject can confirm it and make the appropriate reference. If this is incorrect info, please send me the appropriate info. Thanks, LAWinans ( talk) 01:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
It's been informally called that, the symbolic color being red- but I've never heard or seen any official use of the term. The Cryptic Rite (Council) is not called the Purple Lodge despite it's use of that color. Saxophobia ( talk) 19:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
The Blue or Red Lodge is dependent on the Concordant Body the degrees are performed in. The Scottish or "Red" Rite has its own first three degrees separate form the Symbolic Blue Lodge Degrees which are actually part of the York or "Blue" Rite. The confusion comes by a twofold issue, first the Chapter having reference to lodges in its work and secondly the Scottish Rites usage of the York Rites first 3 degrees in many Jurisdictions. Never-the-less, the "Blue", "Red", "Green", or any other color colloquialisms stem from the first three degrees of that particular Rite (collection of rituals).
Maolcholm ( talk) 07:09, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
One problem with this nomenclature is that some Blue Lodges in Louisiana in the US are also called "red lodges" b/c they confer the first degrees in a unique way related to the SR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2E24:D910:207F:F677:26E8:711A ( talk) 09:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
We should probably include a section on the history and development of the York Rite. I realize that there is much that is not known (such as when the Royal Arch first developed), but there is a great deal that is known (For example, we do know where and when the Cryptic degrees were created). Blueboar ( talk) 15:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
In the Knights Templar section, it's claimed that the Templar Order's "affiliation with Masonry is based on texts that indicate persecuted Templars found refuge within the safety of Freemasonry." The source for this claim is given as http://www.knightstemplar.org/faq1.html#origin, but if you follow the link you'll see this is not at all what the site says. In fact, it states most emphatically: "THERE IS NO PROOF OF DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ANCIENT ORDER AND THE MODERN ORDER KNOWN TO DAY AS THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR." Yonderboy ( talk) 06:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Clarified. PeRshGo ( talk) 09:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
That's not the right logo, because the Sovereign College doesn't govern the Rite, and in fact, to join it, one has to have presided in all the YR bodies (IIRC). There is a combo logo that often gets used for pins. That would be much more appropriate. MSJapan ( talk) 15:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
The article claims that "the Knights Templar require members to be of the Christian faith". This is simply not true. I am a Master Mason, Royal Arch Mason, Cryptic Mason, Knight Templar, 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason, and Shriner. I am also Buddhist, and this fact is well-known among others in these organizations. There are a series of questions that are asked of each Knight Templar candidate, some of which ask about the candidate's faith, however one does not need to be a Christian to be accepted into the Knights Templar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.231.19 ( talk) 04:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the material describing the various degrees that was recently added ( here) is copyrighted. The editor who added it acted in good faith (believing that it was public domain) but unfortunately he was mistaken... the text is taken directly from the York Rite webpage, who in turn copied it (with permission) from the webpage of the New Bern (NC) Chapter. THAT webpage was last copyrighted in 2012, which means it is not in the public domain. It is wonderful material, but unfortunately we can not use it. I have reverted. Blueboar ( talk) 14:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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