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I don't know the facts, and a quick Google doesn't help, but were they:
"hung" would be right for the first and third, "hanged" for the second! Clarification is needed, please, whichever of the three is meant. PamD ( talk) 14:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find a definitive account either. However, the entry for Robert Aske, wikiliinked in the York Castle story, suggests that hanging in chains was a method of execution. Acad Ronin ( talk) 12:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
In this article we've got:
and more examples of each of the three (ie "King" absent, or outside the link, or inside the link). I've not checked what WP:MOS says about this, but can we at least be consistent within the one article? PamD ( talk) 20:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Personally I'd go with not using "King" if they have a number, Richard III feels more correct than King Richard III. But King John is a king to distinguish him from the period when he was Prince John. MidlandLinda ( talk) 20:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I've gone through and given the article a thorough scrub through and expansion. There's general consensus in the histories of York Castle on most of the aspects, and I've made extensive use of Butler's official guide to the castle, and Cooper's turn of the century Edwardian volume, which is very strong on the castle's history as a prison. The expansion will need copy editing however! Hchc2009 ( talk) 09:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I spotted a couple of minor problems while reading through.
Keith D ( talk) 23:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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Nice job, fix these few issues and I'll promote. Have you thought about submitting your castle articles for a MilHist A-class review?-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 03:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the previous change about the atrocities in 1190, as the source being cited (Butler) doesn't support the alteration. Butler notes that Rabbi Yomtob "called upon his fellow Jews to commit suicide rather than suffer their inevitable murder"; although a "few survivors surrendered on the promise of Christian baptism... they were massacred". Butler doesn't suggest that the mob were attempting forcible conversion, but rather simple murder. Happy to discuss further here, of course! Hchc2009 ( talk) 16:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone shed any light on the administrative history of York Castle? A Vision of Britain Through Time states that it was an extra-parochial area until 1858, and a civil parish after that date. It is shown as part of York Urban Sanitary District, but not of the Municipal Borough of York or, after 1889, the County Borough of York. Online Historical Population Reports for the 1931 census states that, although the castle appears to have been added to the Municipal Borough of York by the Municipal Corporations Act 1835, "it is not locally recognised as forming part thereof." Earlier census reports on that site state that it was governed by a joint committee of the East Riding, North Riding and West Riding county councils, and "though situated in the City of York, is not under the jurisdiction of the Corporation." Census reports after 1931 are not available online until 2001, but it is clear that, following local government reorganisation in 1974, the castle was simply part of the unparished area of York. Does anyone know when the castle became part of the city and county borough? Skinsmoke ( talk) 02:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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Regarding "English Heritage has submitted a planning application for a new structure...", the WP:CRYSTALBALL policy applies here: "individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place..." - neither applies in this case. Hchc2009 ( talk) 19:57, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
How would folks feel about swapping the current lead image with the one on the bottom right? It's taken from a distance so you get a better feel for the size of the tower and the motte. The tower itself takes up less of the suggested image, but you can see the entrance and the route up. Richard Nevell ( talk) 17:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
In the section "19th and 20th centuries" the figure of £8,800 in 1825 (£665,000 in 2009) does not seem to match the citation given. This amount on the measuring worth site for this would be £538,500 in 2009 but the citation title and archive version of it indicate that the calculator tool only covered as far as 1830 when this was added to Wikipedia (values from earlier dates would have to be calculated manually using the data sets). And is there a reason why the article has fixed 2009 figures instead of using the inflation templates to automatically update the equivalent values. EdwardUK ( talk) 04:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
We don't explain why it's known as Clifford's Tower. Why is it? -- Dweller ( talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 09:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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Richard Nevell ( talk) 11:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be useful to add a second map showing the exact location of the castle/tower in York? All the map of location within North Yorkshire really shows us is where York is. Gabrielbodard ( talk) 08:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
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I don't know the facts, and a quick Google doesn't help, but were they:
"hung" would be right for the first and third, "hanged" for the second! Clarification is needed, please, whichever of the three is meant. PamD ( talk) 14:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find a definitive account either. However, the entry for Robert Aske, wikiliinked in the York Castle story, suggests that hanging in chains was a method of execution. Acad Ronin ( talk) 12:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
In this article we've got:
and more examples of each of the three (ie "King" absent, or outside the link, or inside the link). I've not checked what WP:MOS says about this, but can we at least be consistent within the one article? PamD ( talk) 20:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Personally I'd go with not using "King" if they have a number, Richard III feels more correct than King Richard III. But King John is a king to distinguish him from the period when he was Prince John. MidlandLinda ( talk) 20:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I've gone through and given the article a thorough scrub through and expansion. There's general consensus in the histories of York Castle on most of the aspects, and I've made extensive use of Butler's official guide to the castle, and Cooper's turn of the century Edwardian volume, which is very strong on the castle's history as a prison. The expansion will need copy editing however! Hchc2009 ( talk) 09:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I spotted a couple of minor problems while reading through.
Keith D ( talk) 23:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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Nice job, fix these few issues and I'll promote. Have you thought about submitting your castle articles for a MilHist A-class review?-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 03:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the previous change about the atrocities in 1190, as the source being cited (Butler) doesn't support the alteration. Butler notes that Rabbi Yomtob "called upon his fellow Jews to commit suicide rather than suffer their inevitable murder"; although a "few survivors surrendered on the promise of Christian baptism... they were massacred". Butler doesn't suggest that the mob were attempting forcible conversion, but rather simple murder. Happy to discuss further here, of course! Hchc2009 ( talk) 16:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone shed any light on the administrative history of York Castle? A Vision of Britain Through Time states that it was an extra-parochial area until 1858, and a civil parish after that date. It is shown as part of York Urban Sanitary District, but not of the Municipal Borough of York or, after 1889, the County Borough of York. Online Historical Population Reports for the 1931 census states that, although the castle appears to have been added to the Municipal Borough of York by the Municipal Corporations Act 1835, "it is not locally recognised as forming part thereof." Earlier census reports on that site state that it was governed by a joint committee of the East Riding, North Riding and West Riding county councils, and "though situated in the City of York, is not under the jurisdiction of the Corporation." Census reports after 1931 are not available online until 2001, but it is clear that, following local government reorganisation in 1974, the castle was simply part of the unparished area of York. Does anyone know when the castle became part of the city and county borough? Skinsmoke ( talk) 02:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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Regarding "English Heritage has submitted a planning application for a new structure...", the WP:CRYSTALBALL policy applies here: "individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place..." - neither applies in this case. Hchc2009 ( talk) 19:57, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
How would folks feel about swapping the current lead image with the one on the bottom right? It's taken from a distance so you get a better feel for the size of the tower and the motte. The tower itself takes up less of the suggested image, but you can see the entrance and the route up. Richard Nevell ( talk) 17:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
In the section "19th and 20th centuries" the figure of £8,800 in 1825 (£665,000 in 2009) does not seem to match the citation given. This amount on the measuring worth site for this would be £538,500 in 2009 but the citation title and archive version of it indicate that the calculator tool only covered as far as 1830 when this was added to Wikipedia (values from earlier dates would have to be calculated manually using the data sets). And is there a reason why the article has fixed 2009 figures instead of using the inflation templates to automatically update the equivalent values. EdwardUK ( talk) 04:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
We don't explain why it's known as Clifford's Tower. Why is it? -- Dweller ( talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 09:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
References
Richard Nevell ( talk) 11:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be useful to add a second map showing the exact location of the castle/tower in York? All the map of location within North Yorkshire really shows us is where York is. Gabrielbodard ( talk) 08:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)