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I don’t really care if the setup table is abbreviated or not, I gave each square a shape that more closely resembles a real shogi board. The squares are actually rectangles arranged vertically, and thus the board is taller than it is wide. What is more important to this article however is that a reader is able to identify what piece is set on what square during the initial setup. (Note: Aspect ratios may vary among real shogi boards – 4/5, 5/7, 7/9, 9/11 etc. I use ≈11.5/13.) The abbreviation of larger shogi variants may not be possible due to the repetition among the kanji used. JTTyler 21:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
The intro imige is closer to my ideal for the first setup graphic. In fact, it can replace it intierly. I have had truble setting up images in wiki so I used HTML instead. JTTyler 04:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm cutting down the article, but this paragraph I don't understand:
What's the difference between being placed in check and not having a legal move, and simply being placed in checkmate? kwami 01:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps it relates to this: Player 1 checks player 2 and mates player 3 with a single move. When player 2 moves out of check, this move undoes the checkmate against player 3, either by blocking the attack, opening up a piece to defend the king, or opening up an escape route for the king. Presumably player 3 still loses? kwami 01:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
This seems to contradict what's said elsewhere in the article: i.e. if 3 is in mate, then he loses, regardless of what player 2 does. If your scenario above is accurate, then checkmate is not a loss as the article states; rather only capture of the king is a loss, as in standard shogi. So when does a player lose, immediately upon checkmate, or when his king is killed? kwami 04:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, that's covered. Another question: in team play, is it acceptable to put your partner in check, or to remain in check by your partner? That is, is what would otherwise be check and mate simply ignored between teammates? That's what the article currently says, but I want to verify. In sannin shogi, for example, the rules are a little different: you're not allowed to remain in check, or to check your partner. (I don't know what happens if there is a revealed checkmate.) kwami 05:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question on checks I did not find the answer to in the article: when there are at least three players (A, B, C) still playing, if A’s king is in the path of a piece of B’s after B has moved, and if the move ‘this piece takes A’s king’ would expose B’s king to a piece of C’s, then is A’s king in check?
In other terms, is the definition of ‘B checks A’ simply
or
The second possibility seems to me much more intricate...
To be yet clearer, let us take an example:
9 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |
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tS | tG | tK | tG | tS | a | ||||
tp | tR | tp | b | ||||||
lS | rS | c | |||||||
lG | lp | rp | rG | d | |||||
lK | ... | lR | rR | rK | e | ||||
lG | lp | rp | rG | f | |||||
lS | rS | g | |||||||
bp | bp | h | |||||||
bS | bG | bK | bG | bS | i |
Here the left player has just captured the bottom player’s rook bR with move 8e×5e, exposing lK to bR. But if the left player played just now 5e×5i, that would expose lK to rR... So, is the bottom player in check?
UseresuUK ( talk) 14:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
a | b | c | d | e | f | g | h | |
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bR | bN | bB | bB | bN | bR | 8 | ||
bP | bP | bK | wP | bP | bP | bP | 7 | |
6 | ||||||||
bQ | 5 | |||||||
4 | ||||||||
3 | ||||||||
wP | wP | wP | wQ | wP | wP | wP | wP | 2 |
wR | wN | wN | wK | wB | wN | wR | 1 |
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I don’t really care if the setup table is abbreviated or not, I gave each square a shape that more closely resembles a real shogi board. The squares are actually rectangles arranged vertically, and thus the board is taller than it is wide. What is more important to this article however is that a reader is able to identify what piece is set on what square during the initial setup. (Note: Aspect ratios may vary among real shogi boards – 4/5, 5/7, 7/9, 9/11 etc. I use ≈11.5/13.) The abbreviation of larger shogi variants may not be possible due to the repetition among the kanji used. JTTyler 21:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
The intro imige is closer to my ideal for the first setup graphic. In fact, it can replace it intierly. I have had truble setting up images in wiki so I used HTML instead. JTTyler 04:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm cutting down the article, but this paragraph I don't understand:
What's the difference between being placed in check and not having a legal move, and simply being placed in checkmate? kwami 01:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps it relates to this: Player 1 checks player 2 and mates player 3 with a single move. When player 2 moves out of check, this move undoes the checkmate against player 3, either by blocking the attack, opening up a piece to defend the king, or opening up an escape route for the king. Presumably player 3 still loses? kwami 01:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
This seems to contradict what's said elsewhere in the article: i.e. if 3 is in mate, then he loses, regardless of what player 2 does. If your scenario above is accurate, then checkmate is not a loss as the article states; rather only capture of the king is a loss, as in standard shogi. So when does a player lose, immediately upon checkmate, or when his king is killed? kwami 04:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, that's covered. Another question: in team play, is it acceptable to put your partner in check, or to remain in check by your partner? That is, is what would otherwise be check and mate simply ignored between teammates? That's what the article currently says, but I want to verify. In sannin shogi, for example, the rules are a little different: you're not allowed to remain in check, or to check your partner. (I don't know what happens if there is a revealed checkmate.) kwami 05:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question on checks I did not find the answer to in the article: when there are at least three players (A, B, C) still playing, if A’s king is in the path of a piece of B’s after B has moved, and if the move ‘this piece takes A’s king’ would expose B’s king to a piece of C’s, then is A’s king in check?
In other terms, is the definition of ‘B checks A’ simply
or
The second possibility seems to me much more intricate...
To be yet clearer, let us take an example:
9 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
tS | tG | tK | tG | tS | a | ||||
tp | tR | tp | b | ||||||
lS | rS | c | |||||||
lG | lp | rp | rG | d | |||||
lK | ... | lR | rR | rK | e | ||||
lG | lp | rp | rG | f | |||||
lS | rS | g | |||||||
bp | bp | h | |||||||
bS | bG | bK | bG | bS | i |
Here the left player has just captured the bottom player’s rook bR with move 8e×5e, exposing lK to bR. But if the left player played just now 5e×5i, that would expose lK to rR... So, is the bottom player in check?
UseresuUK ( talk) 14:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
a | b | c | d | e | f | g | h | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
bR | bN | bB | bB | bN | bR | 8 | ||
bP | bP | bK | wP | bP | bP | bP | 7 | |
6 | ||||||||
bQ | 5 | |||||||
4 | ||||||||
3 | ||||||||
wP | wP | wP | wQ | wP | wP | wP | wP | 2 |
wR | wN | wN | wK | wB | wN | wR | 1 |