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Yonassan Gershom here: There has been a proposed deletion claiming that I am "not notable" and that this page exists in order to promote my "wares" on eBay. This patently absurd. While it is true that I own an eBay store, and it is true that I use "rooster613" as both my Wikipedia and eBay IDs (as well as my ID on Amazon, Blogspot, Facebook, Google Friends and elsewhere) this is for consistency of my identity. There is no mention of eBay anywhere on this page, nor is there any link to the eBay store, which sells mostly feathers and other craft supplies and "wares" that aren't even relevant to the article nor are they mentioned here.
I have been "rooster613" since the mid-1980s when it was my old BBS ID, long before the eBay store even existed. Plus my books are sold in commercial bookstores all over the place, and many were published long before I opened the eBay store in 2005. Besides, if owning a business were a criteria for deleting a page, then every corporation on earth should not be on Wikipedia, since they also own stores. For that matter, show me a single author anywhere who does not want people to buy his books. But that was not the reason this page was originally created (and not by me, either, although lately I have become a watchdog of it.) It was created because of my work on reincarnation.
This page was previously under attack by contacteeperson who was later proven to be a sock puppet with multiple identities and an agenda against Jewish Renewal rabbis. (Read all the controversy stuff below, and go check the sock puppets page.) "Contacteeperson" wanted to delete and was using the excuse that it had no references. Well, it has references now, so I suspect the anti-Renewal sockpuppet is back again under another ID but can't find anything wrong with the page other than the ridiculous claim that it exists to promote an obscure store.
As for whether or not I am "notable," Google my name -- I just did and got 53,000 hits, and since "Yonassan Gershom" is not all that common a name, In think we can pretty much assume they are about me. Try also "Google book search" for how many academic and regression therapy books cite my work (374 hits is what I just got today.) I would say that makes me notable enough to have this page stay here. I am therefore removing the delete request. Rooster613 ( talk) 22:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Well waddaya know, I was right after all, per all the discussions below -- user contacteeperson is not only confirmed (and blocked) as a sock puppet, but he/she had created a whole sockfarm of identities bent on, among other things, wreaking havoc with Jewish Renewal related pages. Just click on Contacteeperson's ID to find links to the investigation, etc. if further interested. Rooster613 ( talk) 20:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
(This section with contacteeperson was moved here from my talk page where s/he posted it, because this is where it belongs, so others can also give their input) Rooster613 ( talk) 17:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to say that my posts were to remove unsourced and not properly sourced info. Thats it. If you notice, I did not post criticisms of the subjects. Your article, for example has no 3rd party references. Contacteeperson ( talk) 19:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
Please read up on BLP, before posting to any biographies especially your own. As far a being a Breslov Rabbi, this means Breslov ordained. Yes, you are a Rabbi, and yes you consider yourself Breslov, but you were not ordained by Breslov, so you are not a Breslov Rabbi. Contacteeperson ( talk) 19:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
If you disagree, then find a reference from any Breslov Rabbi in the world who would agree with you. If you have any questions about a specific edit I made, feel free to ask me, I will explain.
Contacteeperson ( talk) 19:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
I had not been here in a while and was alerted by a reader to the fact that somebody did extensive deletions that appear to be attempts to remove all my credentials (including the fact that I am a rabbi, which is an absurd edit!) -- this might have been vandalism, given that I've had ongoing hot debates with soapboxing by certain people on the Breslov and Na Nach Nachma discussion pages. These soapboxers have not repeatedly tried to debunk my edits regarding Nachman of Breslov. So it might be they wanted to discredit me on the Yonassan Gershom page also.
Or, it might have been merely that there were no citations, so...
I have added some references in parentheses, but I am CLUELESS as how to make them into footnotes. Would somebody please do that? Thank you! Rooster613 ( talk) 18:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Removed ref to collaborative book with Richard H. Schwartz -- No longer true. Schwartz and I did a first draft together but decided, for various editorial reasons, that the project would not work as a co-edit. He has continued with the project alone, and I have moved on to other writing projects. Rooster613 ( talk) 18:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I also edited this page slightly to clarify that it is the reincarnation books that discuss the Holocaust karma theory, since I have written on other topics besides reincarnation. (The Star Trek commentary is due to come out this year and the one Schwartz and I are working on is about vegetarianism and environmental issues. I realize that I'm best known for reincarnation projects but that is not the only thing I write on.) Rooster613 20:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Rooster613
The source for the antiwar activity info is his website and his ebook I added to the pub list. This includes articles from The American Jewish World, The Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs, plus various Minneapolis neighborhood newspapers published during the 1970s and 80s.
RE: "anti-Semitism" vs "anti-Zionism" edits to the description of the Bailey article link, "anti-Semitism" is correct. The article has nothing to do with Israel or Zionism, it is about Alice Bailey's theology relating to Jews & the Holocaust, and is more in the genre of Jewish-Christian-NewAge debate. Rooster613 15:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I am rather mystified as to why this article should be included in the law project. Yonassan Gershom is neither a secular lawyer nor a recognized expert in Jewish law. The article does not discuss legal issues, either. Explain your reasoning, please??? Rooster613 15:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Removed the law project tag, since I just realized I can do so and, as stated above, it was irrelevant to this article. If somebody else wants it back, fine, but please explain why. 64.61.202.78 ( talk) 11:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Yonassan Gershom here. As I no longer travel or do public speaking, it is not likely that anybody else will take a suitable current photo, so I have added a photo my wife took today (December 9, 2008) which we have released into the public domain. Rooster613 ( talk) 04:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)rooster613
Rabbi Gershom here. It appears most of the sources for this stuff comes out of my books and some interviews. (I did not originally write this page but I am watching it and have done some edits on and off. I try to keep it NPOV.) The TV shows periodically show up on reruns and Paramount keeps recycling the old interview footage in new paranormal shows -- after Pesach I'll try to track down the original air dates and source them, I've got studio copies of all the tapes. The anti-war activity is in my book Eight Candles of Consciousness which has reprints of a lot of my material from the 1970s and 80s including letters to the editor of various Minneapolis newspapers that were published, etc., and I've got the original articles on file, so I can ref those. I also have a collection of books by other authors that reference my work, which would provide some better 3rd party sources. I've been reluctant to do a lot of editing here because this is a page about me, but I am currently reorganizing my own archives so I do have the material on hand. This will be a lot of work, so it will have to wait until after Pesach. Rooster613 ( talk) 15:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged, unless your writing has been approved by other editors in the community. Editing a biography about yourself should only be done in clear-cut cases.
Wikipedia has gone through many prolonged disputes about the significance, factual accuracy, and neutrality of such articles.[1] Avoiding such editing keeps Wikipedia neutral and helps avoid pushing a particular point of view.
Also, Wikipedia is not about mine or anyone else's credentials.
First, don't take everything personally, I have nothing against you. Why don't you carefully read the Wiki links, then re-write your article to make it more encyclopedic. Contacteeperson ( talk) 20:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
Writing autobiographies is discouraged because it is difficult to write a neutral, verifiable autobiography, and there are many pitfalls.
If you have published elsewhere on a topic, we welcome your expertise on the subject for Wikipedia articles. However, every Wikipedia article must cover its subject in a neutral, fair, and comprehensive way in order to advance knowledge of the subject as a whole. Please forget your biases while enriching the Wikipedia readers' knowledge. Articles that exist primarily to advance the interests of the contributor will likely be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contacteeperson ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Contacteeperson ( talk) 21:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
If you want, I can help you re-write your article. If you think we can work together, I would be up for it. I can write it up, email it to you and you can make comments. If you don't want my help, that's fine also.
Contacteeperson ( talk) 20:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
OK, somebody finally explained to me how to get the footnotes to work -- I was lacking the reflist link. I went through my personal archives and found refs for most of this. If they are not formatted correctly, please fix. I wish to be very clear that I am not intending to peacock here. But since lack of sources was a controversy and since I have the books and clippings on hand, it made sense for me to do the reference work.
Upon researching the earlier versions of this page (which I did not write), it appears the creator had in mind to verify some discussions about antisemitism and Holocaust "karma" on the Alice Bailey page, where my reincarnation work was cited in the older discussions. Hence the section on Holocaust karma and the link to my essay on Alice Bailey (which the original writer put there). Since this was the original interest of 3rd parties here, I left it in. And it is true that Beyond the Ashes had a strong influence on re-defining the "karma" of the Holocaust in New Age and regression therapy circles -- but that certainly WOULD be peacocking for me to add that about myself! But a search of my name on Google Books will show how many times Beyond the Ashes is still being cited by scholars and therapists so, if you need more 3rd party refs, they're out there. Good hunting! Rooster613 ( talk) 17:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Yonassan Gershom here: A friend alerted me to numerous libelous edits by user 97.73.64.142 on this page (see history) insinuating sexual things about me that are NOT TRUE and may be connected to other recent attacks on me on other sites on the Internet, including a cyber bully on YouTube who used similar language to the vandalism here ("self-hating rabbi" being one phrase he repeated) and the creation of a bogus website claiming that I run an escort service in London. (Not true, I've never even been to London.) The motivation for this vandalism seems to be an attempt to discredit me and smear my reputation for political purposes.
I am thankful to those alert Wikipedians who have been reverting the vandalism. For future reference:
1. While I do support gay rights as human rights, I do not, and never have, advocated on behalf of NAMBLA, I have not written for any Nambla "manuals" or other publications, nor have I ever mentioned NAMBLA in any of my writings. I also do not equate gay rights with legalizing pedephelia -- they are two very different issues. The article by me originally cited on this topic, "Jews, Queers, and Closets," compared Jews trying to pass for gentiles with gays trying to pass for straight, and the oppression this causes.
2. I do not advocate polygamy. In fact, I have been loyally married to my wife for 33 years.
3. I do not own, nor am I in any way connected with, the bogus website at "rabbigershom.com," sdvertising an escort service in London. That website is a libelous fraud hyjacking my name, apparently for purposes of defaming my reputation. As far as I have been able to determine, no such business actually exists. There once was a legitimate website about me under that URL but it no longer exists.
4. There is, of course, no such org as "Jewish Cannibals of North Africa" nor would I belong to it if there were, given that I am a vegetarian! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rooster613 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
According to the book Stars Behind the Tortured Soul, Rabbi Gershom was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He also wrote this Amazon review where he explicitly confirms that he is autistic. I feel like this information needs to be added to this page. Amadeus1928 ( talk) 04:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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Yonassan Gershom here: There has been a proposed deletion claiming that I am "not notable" and that this page exists in order to promote my "wares" on eBay. This patently absurd. While it is true that I own an eBay store, and it is true that I use "rooster613" as both my Wikipedia and eBay IDs (as well as my ID on Amazon, Blogspot, Facebook, Google Friends and elsewhere) this is for consistency of my identity. There is no mention of eBay anywhere on this page, nor is there any link to the eBay store, which sells mostly feathers and other craft supplies and "wares" that aren't even relevant to the article nor are they mentioned here.
I have been "rooster613" since the mid-1980s when it was my old BBS ID, long before the eBay store even existed. Plus my books are sold in commercial bookstores all over the place, and many were published long before I opened the eBay store in 2005. Besides, if owning a business were a criteria for deleting a page, then every corporation on earth should not be on Wikipedia, since they also own stores. For that matter, show me a single author anywhere who does not want people to buy his books. But that was not the reason this page was originally created (and not by me, either, although lately I have become a watchdog of it.) It was created because of my work on reincarnation.
This page was previously under attack by contacteeperson who was later proven to be a sock puppet with multiple identities and an agenda against Jewish Renewal rabbis. (Read all the controversy stuff below, and go check the sock puppets page.) "Contacteeperson" wanted to delete and was using the excuse that it had no references. Well, it has references now, so I suspect the anti-Renewal sockpuppet is back again under another ID but can't find anything wrong with the page other than the ridiculous claim that it exists to promote an obscure store.
As for whether or not I am "notable," Google my name -- I just did and got 53,000 hits, and since "Yonassan Gershom" is not all that common a name, In think we can pretty much assume they are about me. Try also "Google book search" for how many academic and regression therapy books cite my work (374 hits is what I just got today.) I would say that makes me notable enough to have this page stay here. I am therefore removing the delete request. Rooster613 ( talk) 22:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Well waddaya know, I was right after all, per all the discussions below -- user contacteeperson is not only confirmed (and blocked) as a sock puppet, but he/she had created a whole sockfarm of identities bent on, among other things, wreaking havoc with Jewish Renewal related pages. Just click on Contacteeperson's ID to find links to the investigation, etc. if further interested. Rooster613 ( talk) 20:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
(This section with contacteeperson was moved here from my talk page where s/he posted it, because this is where it belongs, so others can also give their input) Rooster613 ( talk) 17:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to say that my posts were to remove unsourced and not properly sourced info. Thats it. If you notice, I did not post criticisms of the subjects. Your article, for example has no 3rd party references. Contacteeperson ( talk) 19:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
Please read up on BLP, before posting to any biographies especially your own. As far a being a Breslov Rabbi, this means Breslov ordained. Yes, you are a Rabbi, and yes you consider yourself Breslov, but you were not ordained by Breslov, so you are not a Breslov Rabbi. Contacteeperson ( talk) 19:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
If you disagree, then find a reference from any Breslov Rabbi in the world who would agree with you. If you have any questions about a specific edit I made, feel free to ask me, I will explain.
Contacteeperson ( talk) 19:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
I had not been here in a while and was alerted by a reader to the fact that somebody did extensive deletions that appear to be attempts to remove all my credentials (including the fact that I am a rabbi, which is an absurd edit!) -- this might have been vandalism, given that I've had ongoing hot debates with soapboxing by certain people on the Breslov and Na Nach Nachma discussion pages. These soapboxers have not repeatedly tried to debunk my edits regarding Nachman of Breslov. So it might be they wanted to discredit me on the Yonassan Gershom page also.
Or, it might have been merely that there were no citations, so...
I have added some references in parentheses, but I am CLUELESS as how to make them into footnotes. Would somebody please do that? Thank you! Rooster613 ( talk) 18:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Removed ref to collaborative book with Richard H. Schwartz -- No longer true. Schwartz and I did a first draft together but decided, for various editorial reasons, that the project would not work as a co-edit. He has continued with the project alone, and I have moved on to other writing projects. Rooster613 ( talk) 18:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I also edited this page slightly to clarify that it is the reincarnation books that discuss the Holocaust karma theory, since I have written on other topics besides reincarnation. (The Star Trek commentary is due to come out this year and the one Schwartz and I are working on is about vegetarianism and environmental issues. I realize that I'm best known for reincarnation projects but that is not the only thing I write on.) Rooster613 20:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Rooster613
The source for the antiwar activity info is his website and his ebook I added to the pub list. This includes articles from The American Jewish World, The Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs, plus various Minneapolis neighborhood newspapers published during the 1970s and 80s.
RE: "anti-Semitism" vs "anti-Zionism" edits to the description of the Bailey article link, "anti-Semitism" is correct. The article has nothing to do with Israel or Zionism, it is about Alice Bailey's theology relating to Jews & the Holocaust, and is more in the genre of Jewish-Christian-NewAge debate. Rooster613 15:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I am rather mystified as to why this article should be included in the law project. Yonassan Gershom is neither a secular lawyer nor a recognized expert in Jewish law. The article does not discuss legal issues, either. Explain your reasoning, please??? Rooster613 15:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Removed the law project tag, since I just realized I can do so and, as stated above, it was irrelevant to this article. If somebody else wants it back, fine, but please explain why. 64.61.202.78 ( talk) 11:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Yonassan Gershom here. As I no longer travel or do public speaking, it is not likely that anybody else will take a suitable current photo, so I have added a photo my wife took today (December 9, 2008) which we have released into the public domain. Rooster613 ( talk) 04:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)rooster613
Rabbi Gershom here. It appears most of the sources for this stuff comes out of my books and some interviews. (I did not originally write this page but I am watching it and have done some edits on and off. I try to keep it NPOV.) The TV shows periodically show up on reruns and Paramount keeps recycling the old interview footage in new paranormal shows -- after Pesach I'll try to track down the original air dates and source them, I've got studio copies of all the tapes. The anti-war activity is in my book Eight Candles of Consciousness which has reprints of a lot of my material from the 1970s and 80s including letters to the editor of various Minneapolis newspapers that were published, etc., and I've got the original articles on file, so I can ref those. I also have a collection of books by other authors that reference my work, which would provide some better 3rd party sources. I've been reluctant to do a lot of editing here because this is a page about me, but I am currently reorganizing my own archives so I do have the material on hand. This will be a lot of work, so it will have to wait until after Pesach. Rooster613 ( talk) 15:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged, unless your writing has been approved by other editors in the community. Editing a biography about yourself should only be done in clear-cut cases.
Wikipedia has gone through many prolonged disputes about the significance, factual accuracy, and neutrality of such articles.[1] Avoiding such editing keeps Wikipedia neutral and helps avoid pushing a particular point of view.
Also, Wikipedia is not about mine or anyone else's credentials.
First, don't take everything personally, I have nothing against you. Why don't you carefully read the Wiki links, then re-write your article to make it more encyclopedic. Contacteeperson ( talk) 20:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
Writing autobiographies is discouraged because it is difficult to write a neutral, verifiable autobiography, and there are many pitfalls.
If you have published elsewhere on a topic, we welcome your expertise on the subject for Wikipedia articles. However, every Wikipedia article must cover its subject in a neutral, fair, and comprehensive way in order to advance knowledge of the subject as a whole. Please forget your biases while enriching the Wikipedia readers' knowledge. Articles that exist primarily to advance the interests of the contributor will likely be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contacteeperson ( talk • contribs) 22:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Contacteeperson ( talk) 21:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
If you want, I can help you re-write your article. If you think we can work together, I would be up for it. I can write it up, email it to you and you can make comments. If you don't want my help, that's fine also.
Contacteeperson ( talk) 20:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)Contacteeperson
OK, somebody finally explained to me how to get the footnotes to work -- I was lacking the reflist link. I went through my personal archives and found refs for most of this. If they are not formatted correctly, please fix. I wish to be very clear that I am not intending to peacock here. But since lack of sources was a controversy and since I have the books and clippings on hand, it made sense for me to do the reference work.
Upon researching the earlier versions of this page (which I did not write), it appears the creator had in mind to verify some discussions about antisemitism and Holocaust "karma" on the Alice Bailey page, where my reincarnation work was cited in the older discussions. Hence the section on Holocaust karma and the link to my essay on Alice Bailey (which the original writer put there). Since this was the original interest of 3rd parties here, I left it in. And it is true that Beyond the Ashes had a strong influence on re-defining the "karma" of the Holocaust in New Age and regression therapy circles -- but that certainly WOULD be peacocking for me to add that about myself! But a search of my name on Google Books will show how many times Beyond the Ashes is still being cited by scholars and therapists so, if you need more 3rd party refs, they're out there. Good hunting! Rooster613 ( talk) 17:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Yonassan Gershom here: A friend alerted me to numerous libelous edits by user 97.73.64.142 on this page (see history) insinuating sexual things about me that are NOT TRUE and may be connected to other recent attacks on me on other sites on the Internet, including a cyber bully on YouTube who used similar language to the vandalism here ("self-hating rabbi" being one phrase he repeated) and the creation of a bogus website claiming that I run an escort service in London. (Not true, I've never even been to London.) The motivation for this vandalism seems to be an attempt to discredit me and smear my reputation for political purposes.
I am thankful to those alert Wikipedians who have been reverting the vandalism. For future reference:
1. While I do support gay rights as human rights, I do not, and never have, advocated on behalf of NAMBLA, I have not written for any Nambla "manuals" or other publications, nor have I ever mentioned NAMBLA in any of my writings. I also do not equate gay rights with legalizing pedephelia -- they are two very different issues. The article by me originally cited on this topic, "Jews, Queers, and Closets," compared Jews trying to pass for gentiles with gays trying to pass for straight, and the oppression this causes.
2. I do not advocate polygamy. In fact, I have been loyally married to my wife for 33 years.
3. I do not own, nor am I in any way connected with, the bogus website at "rabbigershom.com," sdvertising an escort service in London. That website is a libelous fraud hyjacking my name, apparently for purposes of defaming my reputation. As far as I have been able to determine, no such business actually exists. There once was a legitimate website about me under that URL but it no longer exists.
4. There is, of course, no such org as "Jewish Cannibals of North Africa" nor would I belong to it if there were, given that I am a vegetarian! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rooster613 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
According to the book Stars Behind the Tortured Soul, Rabbi Gershom was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome. He also wrote this Amazon review where he explicitly confirms that he is autistic. I feel like this information needs to be added to this page. Amadeus1928 ( talk) 04:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)