Yip Pin Xiu has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
It is requested that a photograph of a clear, high-resolution portrait of Yip Pin Xiu be
included in this article to
improve its quality.
The external tool WordPress Openverse may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
I appreciate Jacklee's contributions to this article, but have three concerns:
By the way, I botched up the edit summary of my previous edit (hit Enter by accident), but I think my reason for making that edit was pretty obvious.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 06:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
When writing GAs, my decisions consider the GA criteria and the readers. The GA criteria do not require infoboxes. Are they useful to readers? It depends. For long articles, infoboxes serve as useful summaries for readers who may have neither the time nor the inclination to read the entire article. But this article is so short. An infobox would merely duplicate the lead, which contains most of the information an average reader would want to know. Furthermore, there is little information about her (and some should be excluded per the BLP policy), so the infobox would provide very little information.
These arguments also apply to medal tables and Persondata. I avoid using Persondata and citation templates because they are not useful for readers. In fact, they cause problems for readers who occasionally edit and are unfamiliar with wiki markup. Such frills, in my opinion, reflect a metapedian bias on Wikipedia, a bias which I, an exopedian, strive to counter. Note that I write for the readers, not the editors, hence the "short and sweet, no-frills" philosophy (there are other reasons, which we have discussed in private).
The BLP policy has become the biggest minefield on Wikipedia, especially after ArbCom introduced BLP special enforcement. What constitutes a BLP violation is no longer clear. Neither are the limits of BLP enforcement. There was a BLP complaint about a GA you wrote, Laurentia Tan, so please be very cautious about potential BLP violations. Do not get me into trouble!
My main concern regarding the inclusion of her Chinese name and birth date is her privacy - especially considering that she is only sixteen. One reliable reference is insufficient to warrant inclusion of her birth date. In contrast, many references mention that she studies in Bendemeer, so mentioning that is fine, according to the admins who BLP-checked my draft. Hope this explanation helps.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 16:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
For ease of editing, I've created subsections for discussion of different issues. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I should point out that it wasn't me who inserted the date of birth into the article. I just added the place of birth and provided a reference for both. That being the case, " WP:BLP#Privacy of personal information" says: "Wikipedia includes dates of birth for some well-known living persons where the dates have been widely published, but exercise caution with less notable people. ... When in doubt about the notability of the subject, or if the subject complains about the publication of his or her date of birth, err on the side of caution and simply list the year of birth." I accept that Yip is a minor. On the other hand, her date and place of birth are already in the public domain on the official Beijing 2008 Paralympic Games website. She is also clearly a notable person, being the winner of Singapore's first Paralympic gold medal. I'll post a query on the WP:BLP talk page about this matter to ask for advice. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I really do not see how indicating Yip's name in Chinese characters in the article violates WP:BLP in any way. The Chinese characters are now fully sourced. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Having the name in a foreign language is not an BLP issue. We always have names of foreign personalities in their native language. My suggestion is to use, a Chinese language cite, for her Chinese name and that will be perfectly fine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The BLP complaint in " Laurentia Tan" is not relevant to this case. There, the complaint apparently related to the fact that the names of Tan's parents and brother appeared in the article. (I say "apparently" as the anonymous IP who kept removing the information and who presumably made a BLP complaint refused to discuss the matter on the talk page. I would point out that the names had all appeared in the local press.) — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have no strong feelings about whether Persondata should be used in articles or not, but do not see what harm it does. The code sits quietly at the end of the article and should not be a bother to editors unfamiliar with wikitext. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I added Persondata to the article because editors who conducted GA reviews on other articles I worked on previously advised me to do so. As I said, I am agnostic as to whether Persondata should be used in articles, but if asked to choose would support its use in articles since there seems to be consensus on the matter. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 10:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I disagree that a medal table in the article would not be useful to readers and is a mere "frill". A medal table summarizes a sportsperson's achievements, and can include medals that are not otherwise mentioned in the article (which would usually only mention more significant achievements). Yes, tables can be a bit tricky for unfamiliar editors to edit, but any errors can always be tidied up by other editors. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed information about Yip's parents' occupations. Including such information may potentially violate BLP; the admins who BLP-checked my draft gaved mixed answers. More importantly, the information is irrelevant, as what her parents work as does not help us understand her career (her schools are relevant, though). -- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 05:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that a URL for a source was removed for breaching BLP, but the non-URL segment of the reference remains. [1] Is there a reason why the URL breaches BLP while the rest of the reference doesn't? Road Wizard ( talk) 07:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
There is, in WP:BLP the notion that one should err on the side of privacy when dealing with private individuals, especially minors. In this, it is useful to decide whether something has been widely reported, and to what degree it is "private" or personal information. I think in this respect that her Chinese name is sufficiently public and widely reported upon to be considered acceptable for inclusion upon this basis. However, I am not convinced that her birthdate is — birthdates, especially for women, are considered private, and I am not sure that there is sufficient reportage to consider the presumption of privacy to be oblivated here. Summary: leave in the Chinese name, ditch the b-day. -- Haemo ( talk) 02:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
The two ongoing disputes - one over BLP and the other over the inclusion of "frills" - will take at least a few days to resolve. In the meantime, there is plenty of "unfinished business" that must also be dealt with before I take the article to GAN:
This section is for discussion about the "unfinished business" and how to deal with it.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 07:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think reverting my edit to the "External links" section was the right thing to do. I had added a link to a Beijing 2008 Paralympic Games web page containing photographs of Yip taking part in one of the events at the Games. I put it in "External links" because the web page had minimal text in it – only photograph captions. (For that reason, I don't think it belongs in the "References" section.) If you felt it was more appropriate to place the link in a footnote in the main text, you could have done so immediately. That would have been fine with me. If you didn't have time to do that, you should have left the link in place until you were free to do that. I'm not upset, but I just don't think it is appropriate editing practice to revert other editors' changes which are otherwise unobjectionable and not damaging to the article simply because you dislike their placement but don't have time to properly incorporate them elsewhere in the article. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 10:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, a biographical article that has a suitable photograph in the top right-hand corner looks much better than one that doesn't. I don't think that's really replaceable by a link to an external website containing photographs. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 16:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Zscout370 has trimmed the External links section to three links. I am satisfied with this compromise (although having no external links is also fine). Are you, Jacklee? -- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 08:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
A photograph showing Yip's features more clearly should be used at the top of the article, but the existing free photograph is fine. I hardly think it is a "disgrace to Wikipedia" and "does not do [her] justice". The caption states quite clearly which person in the photograph she is, and the photograph shows Yip together with her Paralympic team mates on a significant occasion. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 10:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't see why the caption is especially long, and it clearly identifies the people in the photograph in the usual way (left to right – I think that's obvious enough not to be stated). Yip is not shown full face but in profile, but that is all right for a subsidiary photograph in the article. For example, the photograph at " Tao Li" doesn't show her face at all (she is swimming with goggles on), but nonetheless adds value to the article by picturing her engaging in the activity that she is notable for. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 16:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
This article is currently on peer review and has only received one review, by Road Wizard. With two ongoing disputes and plenty of "unfinished business", it is clearly not ready for GAN. Another GA-to-be, I Not Stupid Too, also has an ongoing peer review and needs my attention more.
Perhaps I should close Yip Pin Xiu's peer review? Then I can focus on resolving the disputes and "unfinished business", as well as preparing I Not Stupid Too for a GAN. Within two weeks, the disputes and "unfinished business" should be dealt with, while I Not Stupid Too should already be on GAN. Then I can open a new peer review and focus on polishing Yip Pin Xiu in preparation for a GAN on 15 January.
Does anyone object? If there are no objections within 48 hours, I will close the current peer review for Yip Pin Xiu.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 08:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
On Monday, I contacted five administrators by e-mail, and posted at the BLP noticeboard, to seek input on the BLP dispute. Two admins have posted here and one responded by e-mail; all three said that Yip's Chinese name should be included but her birth date should be excluded. Thus I propose the following compromise:
If Jacklee accepts this compromise and nobody else objects, both disputes will be settled and we can focus on the "unfinished business". Otherwise we will have to continue to work towards a final compromise.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 10:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I will file a second peer review tomorrow night or Friday morning (Singapore time), so I want everything settled before then. Therefore I propose this final compromise which covers both our disputes and the "unfinished business":
With the school term starting soon, I will have less time to work on this article. Thus I urge Jacklee to quickly accept this final compromise, so I can send this article to PR and GAN while I still have the time. Dragging on this dispute will be detriminal to both of us and the article. By the way, if Jacklee does not respond by Friday morning, I will claim a walkover, which means that the article will go to PR with no further changes (except that I will remove the image).
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 08:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
"Undid some of Jacklee's edits. The addition of "in 1992" breaks the flow of the sentence. Policy advises editors to be careful when translating, as they may inadvertently introduce original research." Which policy? What original research? It's a translation of the title of a news report, which makes it more understandable for users of the English Wikipedia. Aren't you overreacting a little here? — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 14:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Any views on the matter? If not, I shall restore the English translation of the article title in Chinese characters so that readers who do not read Chinese understand what it says. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 14:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Since the title of the news article is being used as the source for Yip's name in Chinese characters, doesn't it make sense to provide an English translation of the title so that editors who do not read Chinese characters (which, presumably, make up a large proportion of English Wikipedia users) have some assurance that the news article does indeed indicate Yip's name? I really do not see why there is a big problem with this. :-) — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 06:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be difficult on purpose, but this is bordering on the ludicrous. For a start, it is not the case that some crucial facts in the article rely on an unofficial translation of a non-English source by a volunteer editor. The non-English source in this case is merely referencing Yip's name in Chinese characters. The translation is only of the source's title, and is intended to assist readers who do not understand Chinese characters. The translation helps such readers to assure themselves that the article title does indeed contain Yip's name. Why is this original research? What is being taken out of context? — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I don't think adding an English translation of the article title would add significantly to the length of the article. Anyway, I do hope things in your life improve soon. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 03:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to review this article. When reviewing, please note:
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 15:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, J.L.W.S. You reverted my insertion of the official name of the medal awarded to Yip, the Pingat Jasa Gemilang (Meritorious Service Medal), with the edit summary "Per advice given off-wiki. Shall we just stick to what the source says?" You also removed the wikilink to " Pingat Jasa Gemilang". Again, it is not my intention to be deliberately difficult, but what is wrong with providing readers with full information and a link to an existing Wikipedia article that readers can click on for details? I hope you are not suggesting that since the source says that Yip received the "Meritorious Service Medal", we do not know for sure if this means the Pingat Jasa Gemilang. There is only one "Meritorious Service Medal" awarded by the Government of Singapore, and that is the Pingat Jasa Gemilang. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
© Geni 03:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Yip Pin Xiu. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 15:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Yip Pin Xiu has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
It is requested that a photograph of a clear, high-resolution portrait of Yip Pin Xiu be
included in this article to
improve its quality.
The external tool WordPress Openverse may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
I appreciate Jacklee's contributions to this article, but have three concerns:
By the way, I botched up the edit summary of my previous edit (hit Enter by accident), but I think my reason for making that edit was pretty obvious.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 06:28, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
When writing GAs, my decisions consider the GA criteria and the readers. The GA criteria do not require infoboxes. Are they useful to readers? It depends. For long articles, infoboxes serve as useful summaries for readers who may have neither the time nor the inclination to read the entire article. But this article is so short. An infobox would merely duplicate the lead, which contains most of the information an average reader would want to know. Furthermore, there is little information about her (and some should be excluded per the BLP policy), so the infobox would provide very little information.
These arguments also apply to medal tables and Persondata. I avoid using Persondata and citation templates because they are not useful for readers. In fact, they cause problems for readers who occasionally edit and are unfamiliar with wiki markup. Such frills, in my opinion, reflect a metapedian bias on Wikipedia, a bias which I, an exopedian, strive to counter. Note that I write for the readers, not the editors, hence the "short and sweet, no-frills" philosophy (there are other reasons, which we have discussed in private).
The BLP policy has become the biggest minefield on Wikipedia, especially after ArbCom introduced BLP special enforcement. What constitutes a BLP violation is no longer clear. Neither are the limits of BLP enforcement. There was a BLP complaint about a GA you wrote, Laurentia Tan, so please be very cautious about potential BLP violations. Do not get me into trouble!
My main concern regarding the inclusion of her Chinese name and birth date is her privacy - especially considering that she is only sixteen. One reliable reference is insufficient to warrant inclusion of her birth date. In contrast, many references mention that she studies in Bendemeer, so mentioning that is fine, according to the admins who BLP-checked my draft. Hope this explanation helps.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 16:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
For ease of editing, I've created subsections for discussion of different issues. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I should point out that it wasn't me who inserted the date of birth into the article. I just added the place of birth and provided a reference for both. That being the case, " WP:BLP#Privacy of personal information" says: "Wikipedia includes dates of birth for some well-known living persons where the dates have been widely published, but exercise caution with less notable people. ... When in doubt about the notability of the subject, or if the subject complains about the publication of his or her date of birth, err on the side of caution and simply list the year of birth." I accept that Yip is a minor. On the other hand, her date and place of birth are already in the public domain on the official Beijing 2008 Paralympic Games website. She is also clearly a notable person, being the winner of Singapore's first Paralympic gold medal. I'll post a query on the WP:BLP talk page about this matter to ask for advice. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I really do not see how indicating Yip's name in Chinese characters in the article violates WP:BLP in any way. The Chinese characters are now fully sourced. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Having the name in a foreign language is not an BLP issue. We always have names of foreign personalities in their native language. My suggestion is to use, a Chinese language cite, for her Chinese name and that will be perfectly fine. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The BLP complaint in " Laurentia Tan" is not relevant to this case. There, the complaint apparently related to the fact that the names of Tan's parents and brother appeared in the article. (I say "apparently" as the anonymous IP who kept removing the information and who presumably made a BLP complaint refused to discuss the matter on the talk page. I would point out that the names had all appeared in the local press.) — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have no strong feelings about whether Persondata should be used in articles or not, but do not see what harm it does. The code sits quietly at the end of the article and should not be a bother to editors unfamiliar with wikitext. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I added Persondata to the article because editors who conducted GA reviews on other articles I worked on previously advised me to do so. As I said, I am agnostic as to whether Persondata should be used in articles, but if asked to choose would support its use in articles since there seems to be consensus on the matter. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 10:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I disagree that a medal table in the article would not be useful to readers and is a mere "frill". A medal table summarizes a sportsperson's achievements, and can include medals that are not otherwise mentioned in the article (which would usually only mention more significant achievements). Yes, tables can be a bit tricky for unfamiliar editors to edit, but any errors can always be tidied up by other editors. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed information about Yip's parents' occupations. Including such information may potentially violate BLP; the admins who BLP-checked my draft gaved mixed answers. More importantly, the information is irrelevant, as what her parents work as does not help us understand her career (her schools are relevant, though). -- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 05:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that a URL for a source was removed for breaching BLP, but the non-URL segment of the reference remains. [1] Is there a reason why the URL breaches BLP while the rest of the reference doesn't? Road Wizard ( talk) 07:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
There is, in WP:BLP the notion that one should err on the side of privacy when dealing with private individuals, especially minors. In this, it is useful to decide whether something has been widely reported, and to what degree it is "private" or personal information. I think in this respect that her Chinese name is sufficiently public and widely reported upon to be considered acceptable for inclusion upon this basis. However, I am not convinced that her birthdate is — birthdates, especially for women, are considered private, and I am not sure that there is sufficient reportage to consider the presumption of privacy to be oblivated here. Summary: leave in the Chinese name, ditch the b-day. -- Haemo ( talk) 02:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
The two ongoing disputes - one over BLP and the other over the inclusion of "frills" - will take at least a few days to resolve. In the meantime, there is plenty of "unfinished business" that must also be dealt with before I take the article to GAN:
This section is for discussion about the "unfinished business" and how to deal with it.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 07:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think reverting my edit to the "External links" section was the right thing to do. I had added a link to a Beijing 2008 Paralympic Games web page containing photographs of Yip taking part in one of the events at the Games. I put it in "External links" because the web page had minimal text in it – only photograph captions. (For that reason, I don't think it belongs in the "References" section.) If you felt it was more appropriate to place the link in a footnote in the main text, you could have done so immediately. That would have been fine with me. If you didn't have time to do that, you should have left the link in place until you were free to do that. I'm not upset, but I just don't think it is appropriate editing practice to revert other editors' changes which are otherwise unobjectionable and not damaging to the article simply because you dislike their placement but don't have time to properly incorporate them elsewhere in the article. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 10:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, a biographical article that has a suitable photograph in the top right-hand corner looks much better than one that doesn't. I don't think that's really replaceable by a link to an external website containing photographs. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 16:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Zscout370 has trimmed the External links section to three links. I am satisfied with this compromise (although having no external links is also fine). Are you, Jacklee? -- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 08:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
A photograph showing Yip's features more clearly should be used at the top of the article, but the existing free photograph is fine. I hardly think it is a "disgrace to Wikipedia" and "does not do [her] justice". The caption states quite clearly which person in the photograph she is, and the photograph shows Yip together with her Paralympic team mates on a significant occasion. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 10:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't see why the caption is especially long, and it clearly identifies the people in the photograph in the usual way (left to right – I think that's obvious enough not to be stated). Yip is not shown full face but in profile, but that is all right for a subsidiary photograph in the article. For example, the photograph at " Tao Li" doesn't show her face at all (she is swimming with goggles on), but nonetheless adds value to the article by picturing her engaging in the activity that she is notable for. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 16:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
This article is currently on peer review and has only received one review, by Road Wizard. With two ongoing disputes and plenty of "unfinished business", it is clearly not ready for GAN. Another GA-to-be, I Not Stupid Too, also has an ongoing peer review and needs my attention more.
Perhaps I should close Yip Pin Xiu's peer review? Then I can focus on resolving the disputes and "unfinished business", as well as preparing I Not Stupid Too for a GAN. Within two weeks, the disputes and "unfinished business" should be dealt with, while I Not Stupid Too should already be on GAN. Then I can open a new peer review and focus on polishing Yip Pin Xiu in preparation for a GAN on 15 January.
Does anyone object? If there are no objections within 48 hours, I will close the current peer review for Yip Pin Xiu.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 08:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
On Monday, I contacted five administrators by e-mail, and posted at the BLP noticeboard, to seek input on the BLP dispute. Two admins have posted here and one responded by e-mail; all three said that Yip's Chinese name should be included but her birth date should be excluded. Thus I propose the following compromise:
If Jacklee accepts this compromise and nobody else objects, both disputes will be settled and we can focus on the "unfinished business". Otherwise we will have to continue to work towards a final compromise.
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 10:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I will file a second peer review tomorrow night or Friday morning (Singapore time), so I want everything settled before then. Therefore I propose this final compromise which covers both our disputes and the "unfinished business":
With the school term starting soon, I will have less time to work on this article. Thus I urge Jacklee to quickly accept this final compromise, so I can send this article to PR and GAN while I still have the time. Dragging on this dispute will be detriminal to both of us and the article. By the way, if Jacklee does not respond by Friday morning, I will claim a walkover, which means that the article will go to PR with no further changes (except that I will remove the image).
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 08:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
"Undid some of Jacklee's edits. The addition of "in 1992" breaks the flow of the sentence. Policy advises editors to be careful when translating, as they may inadvertently introduce original research." Which policy? What original research? It's a translation of the title of a news report, which makes it more understandable for users of the English Wikipedia. Aren't you overreacting a little here? — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 14:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Any views on the matter? If not, I shall restore the English translation of the article title in Chinese characters so that readers who do not read Chinese understand what it says. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 14:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Since the title of the news article is being used as the source for Yip's name in Chinese characters, doesn't it make sense to provide an English translation of the title so that editors who do not read Chinese characters (which, presumably, make up a large proportion of English Wikipedia users) have some assurance that the news article does indeed indicate Yip's name? I really do not see why there is a big problem with this. :-) — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 06:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be difficult on purpose, but this is bordering on the ludicrous. For a start, it is not the case that some crucial facts in the article rely on an unofficial translation of a non-English source by a volunteer editor. The non-English source in this case is merely referencing Yip's name in Chinese characters. The translation is only of the source's title, and is intended to assist readers who do not understand Chinese characters. The translation helps such readers to assure themselves that the article title does indeed contain Yip's name. Why is this original research? What is being taken out of context? — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I don't think adding an English translation of the article title would add significantly to the length of the article. Anyway, I do hope things in your life improve soon. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 03:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to review this article. When reviewing, please note:
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 15:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, J.L.W.S. You reverted my insertion of the official name of the medal awarded to Yip, the Pingat Jasa Gemilang (Meritorious Service Medal), with the edit summary "Per advice given off-wiki. Shall we just stick to what the source says?" You also removed the wikilink to " Pingat Jasa Gemilang". Again, it is not my intention to be deliberately difficult, but what is wrong with providing readers with full information and a link to an existing Wikipedia article that readers can click on for details? I hope you are not suggesting that since the source says that Yip received the "Meritorious Service Medal", we do not know for sure if this means the Pingat Jasa Gemilang. There is only one "Meritorious Service Medal" awarded by the Government of Singapore, and that is the Pingat Jasa Gemilang. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 15:48, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
© Geni 03:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Yip Pin Xiu. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 15:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)