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This article needs clean-up. There are multiple issues. It looks like a contribution from a disciple. Loads of weasel crawliing and peacock strutting here. There is a factual issue concerning the age at which Yeshse Losal entered a monastery, the stated age being incompatible with that given for his brother Akong Rinpoche. The question of his tulku status need expanding and citation within the Kagyu tradition. Rinpoche ( talk) 08:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I regularly volunteer at Kagyu Samye Dzong London, a Tibetan Buddhist centre affiliated to the Kagyu Samye Ling monastery in Scotland. This centre and others in Britain (Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff) and overseas (Ireland, Belgium, Spain, South Africa) all consider themselves as under the direction of Lama Yeshe Losal Rinpoche, who visits them regularly as an invited teacher:
http://london.samye.org/london/kagyu/teachers/lama_yeshe.shtml
I'm assuming that the notability question discussed above has been dealt with since the article has been allowed to remain with no further issues being raised, but anyway in terms of documenting other contributions to Buddhism that might be credited to Lama Yeshe, there might be some merit in mentioning the existence of these centres, since they point to his role in the dissemination of the teaching of Buddhism and of meditation. MrAgs ( talk) 18:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree - such additions could probably take part in a general restructuring of the article to make it more professional, which currently has a strong biographical feel... maybe a truncated life-story followed by sections of his projects?
Iskanderos ( talk) 23:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
The title should be changed from 'Yeshe Losal' to Lama Yeshe Losal Rinpoche (or maybe Lama Yeshe Rinpoche for concision).
This is his accurate current name (a la http://www.samyeling.org/index/abbot), and is in conformity with Rinpoche naming conventions.
Iskanderos ( talk) 00:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
In the absence of controversy I'm going to go ahead and make the move as about a week and a half has passed - if someone has any points to raise about later, wikipedia is fortunately very malleable!
Iskanderos ( talk) 20:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
The article was moved via "cut and paste" rather than using the "move" option which messes up history and talk page. I asked an admin to clear it up and that is now fixed. Yo will see that the article is now back to Yeshe Losal as per the WP:NAMES Wikipedia style guide on using honorifics in article titles. Notice we have been here before and that is why Lama Yeshe Losal is a redirect to Yeshe Losal. This was before he was referred to as Lama Yeshe Losal Rinpoche. There is of course some argument to be made that he was never called Yeshe Losal (a bit like Mother Teresa for example). However we have redirects now for both pre and post honourifics so that should be ok. Billlion ( talk) 10:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the article I seem to remember writing (or editing) most of the text, and while I have been to SL and met Lama Yeshe I am certainly not part of his organization. I am not sure why this tag is there really. Perhaps someone could flag up the non NPOV parts and we could work on them? Billlion ( talk) 10:16, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm very concerned about the potentially refactored usage of non-free material from the book introduction mentioned and even from websites like this one. The page is also weasel-y. It needs to be burnt down and rewritten with the citable basics. Ogress smash! 22:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
and much of the text is the same. The page you refer to is clearly much more recent from the events described. The information is however mainly from the sources listed, in particular from brief bio cited. At the time that was most of the info available. I am pretty sure that at the time it was not a copyvio (but please point to specific instances if you disagree. I had not been editing wikipedia for so long then!) It is possible that subsequent web pages may have used Wikiedia text though. I agree it needs more reliable independent biographical sources and needs a more neutral tone, but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater('burnt down and rewritten'!), I thought even though I was inexperienced 10 years ago it was a reasonable attempt at NPOV! Billlion ( talk) 21:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
He is a trustee of Rokpa according to charity commission [3]. ROKPA website says he is chair of it. Maybe this is more to add to a revised article? Billlion ( talk) 22:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
His biography can be found in The Dance of 17 Lives, discribed under the name of "Lama Yeshe". -- Rédacteur Tibet ( talk) 11:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
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This article needs clean-up. There are multiple issues. It looks like a contribution from a disciple. Loads of weasel crawliing and peacock strutting here. There is a factual issue concerning the age at which Yeshse Losal entered a monastery, the stated age being incompatible with that given for his brother Akong Rinpoche. The question of his tulku status need expanding and citation within the Kagyu tradition. Rinpoche ( talk) 08:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I regularly volunteer at Kagyu Samye Dzong London, a Tibetan Buddhist centre affiliated to the Kagyu Samye Ling monastery in Scotland. This centre and others in Britain (Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff) and overseas (Ireland, Belgium, Spain, South Africa) all consider themselves as under the direction of Lama Yeshe Losal Rinpoche, who visits them regularly as an invited teacher:
http://london.samye.org/london/kagyu/teachers/lama_yeshe.shtml
I'm assuming that the notability question discussed above has been dealt with since the article has been allowed to remain with no further issues being raised, but anyway in terms of documenting other contributions to Buddhism that might be credited to Lama Yeshe, there might be some merit in mentioning the existence of these centres, since they point to his role in the dissemination of the teaching of Buddhism and of meditation. MrAgs ( talk) 18:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree - such additions could probably take part in a general restructuring of the article to make it more professional, which currently has a strong biographical feel... maybe a truncated life-story followed by sections of his projects?
Iskanderos ( talk) 23:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
The title should be changed from 'Yeshe Losal' to Lama Yeshe Losal Rinpoche (or maybe Lama Yeshe Rinpoche for concision).
This is his accurate current name (a la http://www.samyeling.org/index/abbot), and is in conformity with Rinpoche naming conventions.
Iskanderos ( talk) 00:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
In the absence of controversy I'm going to go ahead and make the move as about a week and a half has passed - if someone has any points to raise about later, wikipedia is fortunately very malleable!
Iskanderos ( talk) 20:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
The article was moved via "cut and paste" rather than using the "move" option which messes up history and talk page. I asked an admin to clear it up and that is now fixed. Yo will see that the article is now back to Yeshe Losal as per the WP:NAMES Wikipedia style guide on using honorifics in article titles. Notice we have been here before and that is why Lama Yeshe Losal is a redirect to Yeshe Losal. This was before he was referred to as Lama Yeshe Losal Rinpoche. There is of course some argument to be made that he was never called Yeshe Losal (a bit like Mother Teresa for example). However we have redirects now for both pre and post honourifics so that should be ok. Billlion ( talk) 10:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the article I seem to remember writing (or editing) most of the text, and while I have been to SL and met Lama Yeshe I am certainly not part of his organization. I am not sure why this tag is there really. Perhaps someone could flag up the non NPOV parts and we could work on them? Billlion ( talk) 10:16, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm very concerned about the potentially refactored usage of non-free material from the book introduction mentioned and even from websites like this one. The page is also weasel-y. It needs to be burnt down and rewritten with the citable basics. Ogress smash! 22:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
and much of the text is the same. The page you refer to is clearly much more recent from the events described. The information is however mainly from the sources listed, in particular from brief bio cited. At the time that was most of the info available. I am pretty sure that at the time it was not a copyvio (but please point to specific instances if you disagree. I had not been editing wikipedia for so long then!) It is possible that subsequent web pages may have used Wikiedia text though. I agree it needs more reliable independent biographical sources and needs a more neutral tone, but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater('burnt down and rewritten'!), I thought even though I was inexperienced 10 years ago it was a reasonable attempt at NPOV! Billlion ( talk) 21:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
He is a trustee of Rokpa according to charity commission [3]. ROKPA website says he is chair of it. Maybe this is more to add to a revised article? Billlion ( talk) 22:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
His biography can be found in The Dance of 17 Lives, discribed under the name of "Lama Yeshe". -- Rédacteur Tibet ( talk) 11:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)