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I think that the article is getting very long. This is because the (very well written) history section dominates. The history section is not in itself too long, but it's length does IMHO unbalance the article, not a good thing as it pushes other significant sections rather too far down the page. Would wikipedians consider hiving off the history section into a separate article? CecilWard ( talk) 09:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Bondgezou recently suggested
(Associated acts should have more than one member in common)
But that would take out both King Crimson and UK (both firmly established as contemporary prog acts with a contextual relationship to Yes) while leaving in both Cinema and XYZ (neither of which, despite featuring two or more Yes members, ever gigged or played outside rehearsal rooms or released a record). With respect, I suggest that in this context context should trump numbers. As for the inclusion/exclusion of Jon & Vangelis, I'd suggest that an act which featured the very distinctive voice and lyrics of the Yes frontman, also contained a onetime major contender for their keyboard-player position and had at least some pop success should be restored to the list. - Dann Chinn ( talk)
Recent edits have been removing assorted anecdotal material used for colour in the article. There's an argument for removing all such material from Wikipedia (whether verified via citation or not), but assuming that we want to keep some of it, could I request a use of the citation needed tag rather than outright deletion? I believe quite a lot of the material being removed is covered in the published biography by Chris Welch, even though it remains uncited in the article. (In fairness, I must confess that a lot of this is my own fault for adding material from memory and being lazy about providing citation tags and proper page refs. Sorry. Will improve this.) - Dann Chinn ( talk) 12:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I've just been reading through the article again, and have noticed that some of the edits deleting material have been done without any apparent regard for whether the removal of said material has any consequent effect on following sentences or paragraphs. Consequently some sections of the article are losing coherence as sentences refer back to material or developments which have been arbitrarily removed. Could those editors who consider it their duty to fully erase "unencyclopaedic" or "non-verifiable" material please bear this in mind when working on the article? Despite plenty of good efforts with editing here, some of the more proscriptive examples are verging on seagull management. - Dann Chinn ( talk) 11:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the subheading "Early days" be changed to "Early years"?-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 01:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I just heard Oliver Wakeman has left the band and Geoff Downes is back after three decades. Can we add that yet? Bondegezou, you're usually the first to report these things. FotoPhest ( talk) 23:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The second paragraph seems to indicate that although Chris Squire is the longest running member, the band is "generally noted" by the distinctive sound of practically everyone else who's ever been in the band. Not only does this not make sense, but it downplays Squire's influence on the success and distinctiveness of the band. Thoughts? — Shada Ng ( talk | contribs) 18:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
It may be good to connect the old 'Buggles' version of 'Fly From Here' with the new one-a sidenote in the first Downes/Horn portion of the Wiki, but seems to have a miraculous nascence in the latter part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5N_UiWI-cg A 1980 tour rendition.
I know this article has a lot of history to tell, but the table of contents is practically the size of a small article itself. A few of the shorter sections could really be combined (ie. Relayer->Drama) and some just don't seem deserving of their own section (ie. "Fourth Return of Rick Wakeman"). Thoughts? — Shada Ng ( talk | contribs) 21:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I see that the Yes Wikia, Ticket Master, YesWorld.com, Bondegezou and websites from the band members are being used for sources. They are not considered reliable for Wikipedia, and should be replaced. 94.31.32.30 ( talk) 15:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
This is in Trevor Rabin's article. I think it should be in here as well:
In 2004 Rabin performed in aid of the Prince's Trust with Yes at the Wembley Arena in London, where he served as lead guitarist and lead singer. The show was a tribute to producer Trevor Horn. The concert DVD is called Slaves to the Rhythm."
YouTube video of the venue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjuFAoP53BQ Yup, Anderson was not invited.
-- Hatredman ( talk) 16:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
[*] Another one: On 9 July 2010 Rabin accompanied Yes for the first time in 6 years at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles and played the encore, "Owner of a Lonely Heart". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatredman ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
My apologies if this topic has been raised before (I haven't spotted it), but what are people's thoughts on including a simple member list along with the chronology that already exists? Personally I would think that it would serve a good purpose as a summation of who is and who was in the band. Considering that lineup chronologies of the grandeur of the one on this page are usually created after a list of members was already present indicates that this may have been a previous topic and that there is a consensus against it. My apologies in this case. Burbridge92 ( talk) 07:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
When I first read the opening sentence, "Yes are an English rock band who achieved worldwide success with their progressive, art, and symphonic style of rock music" I thought it was mis-punctuated and should have read "Yes are an English rock band who achieved worldwide success with their progressive art and symphonic style of rock music" (as in 'progressive art' and 'symphonic style'). But after noticing the links to progressive rock, art rock, and symphonic rock, I realized that it is actually intending to say that they achieved success with these three styles of music. This would mean that simply pluralizing "style" to "styles" would make the sentence read correctly: "Yes are an English rock band who achieved worldwide success with their progressive, art, and symphonic styles of rock music." Would this change be sufficient, or does the sentence need further tweaking? FF9 ( talk) 19:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
There is an inconsistency with respect to the plurality of the band name "Yes", with varying opinions from "Yes was" to "Yes are" and this should be discussed and then made consistent throughout the article. In my opinion, "Yes" refers to a single group name, just like one might use the term "faculty", and so even though it may contain several members, when referring to it "Yes" is singular. -- Wjmelements ( talk) 16:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
The timeline diagram is a wonderful graphic, but I suggest it is trying to capture too fine a level of detail and, in the process, leaving inconsistencies. White is indicated as playing keys on Magnification, but Bruford playing on "America" isn't covered. Horn played bass on one track of Drama, and a few bits of keys and guitar on Fly from Here. Sherwood plays bass on "The More We Live - Let Go" on Union. Squire and Rabin have had significant vocal roles; Squire sings lead on songs on Magnification and Fly from Here. There's lots of these examples: trying to capture all of them isn't going to be feasible, so perhaps the timeline diagram should just stick to the main instrument of each player. Bondegezou ( talk) 21:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
The ABWH album was by ABWH, not Yes, regardless of who owned the name contractually. It should not be included in the Yes discography. It is certainly worth a mention in this article, but not so detailed as presented now. 94.31.32.30 ( talk) 13:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
As with the timeline diagram (see discussion above), we now have an issue with the personnel section and what instruments/roles are listed for each band member. I suggest it is more sensible to give less detail, to focus on the main roles.
With respect to my most recent edit and Hyliad's good faith revert... Davison has been playing the harp part in "Awaken" on keyboards live. Squire plays harmonica at most Yes shows. Horn played some keyboards on 90125 and some guitar on Fly from Here, so why only list his backing vocals role? Sherwood played bass and keyboards on "The More You Live -- Let Go" on Union; he played bass and drums on Talk and played keys, guitar and a little bass on the supporting tour; and, IIRC, he played some percussion on The Ladder.
I don't particularly want all this detail listed, but I think listing some detail (e.g. Horn contributing backing vocals in 1983 and 2011), but not other details is misleading. Bondegezou ( talk) 11:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
There's a serious problem in the intro of the article. If Mabel Greer's Toyshop aren't a band pre-Yes but the first incarnation of Yes, then we have to change the birth year of Yes in 1967 and add other members of the band (Clive Bayley, Bob Hagger, Paul Rutledge). What do you think about it? -- L'Eremita ( talk) 09:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Yesgigs say clearly that the first concert of MGT was in September 7 1967!!! Advertisement of Melody Maker. -- L'Eremita ( talk) 09:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 09:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
– Similar to common English words like Yesterday or Something, this classic band existing since 40+ years has enough notability to appear as the primary topic for the term "Yes", can't see anyone on the dab competing for it. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, thus a link to yes and no and the dab is appropriate here. The Evil IP address ( talk) 17:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
One of the lineups of Yes is incorrectly referred to several times as "Yes-West". Surely the band should be referred to throughout by its proper name. As it stands, it gives the impression of personal bias in the editing of the article. 176.249.26.217 ( talk) 21:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
We have previously agreed to list ABWH in the discography section. Until recently, the ABWH albums were listed chronologically, mixed up with the regular Yes albums. They were then moved to a separate sub-section, but that was then reverted. I've just put the article back to the sub-section approach, but let's talk about it here and come to a resolution rather than just editing back and forth.
Personally, I think having a separate sub-section makes clear ABWH's distinct separate identity to Yes, while still acknowledging their connection, whereas having them all mixed up overstates the connection. But what do others think? Bondegezou ( talk) 17:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes' sole #1 hit (Owner of a Lonely Heart) was pop rock. And two of their biggest albums were pop rock. So wouldn't it make sense to add that to the infobox? Twyfan714 ( talk) 14:35, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
"The rise of punk rock at the end of the decade led to a decline in creativity and sales.." Okay, sure, the public's changing tastes led to a decline in sales, and sure, the rise of punk rock was emblematic of that change. But that the rise of punk LED TO the decline in Yes's creativity is just nonsense. I'd edit the paragraph myself, and I may later, but before I do I wanted to throw the topic out there in the Talk page... -- David James — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.205.74.23 ( talk) 20:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I strenuously object to the info box stating that Yes were also known as "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe". The info box is meant to contain quick basic facts for the casual reader. Calling ABWH "Yes" will be confusing at best and misleading at worst. Yes were never officially known as ABWH, and whether or not they were ever "unofficially" known as ABWH is a complex and nuanced situation. This is precisely the sort of thing that doesn't belong in the info box. Furthermore, this info box has it bass-ackwards. During the "Yes-East–Yes-West" years, ABWH were often casually referred to as "Yes", but Yes were never known as "ABWH". Joefromrandb ( talk) 22:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Should the graphic timeline of band members be presented in two place, here and also at the List of Yes band members? Or should it be presented only at the List of Yes band members? Binksternet ( talk) 19:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Should he be in the graphic timeline (which makes it look as though he appeared on a studio album)? Look at recent edits to this article and you can see the dispute. I reverted his addition as this article otherwise does not treat him the same as "full" members of the band. I can't see any RS describing him in those terms, but then the whole notion of who is or is not a "full" member is fraught. Bondegezou ( talk) 13:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello,
Your article about the English Group "YES" quotes the following sentence.
In February 1972, Yes recorded a cover version of "America" by Paul Simon.
I think this is an error. The group 'Yes' recorded a song called 'America', which is the one of the soundtracks from the movie West Side Story. It was an instrumental version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.236.31.234 ( talk) 14:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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I think that the article is getting very long. This is because the (very well written) history section dominates. The history section is not in itself too long, but it's length does IMHO unbalance the article, not a good thing as it pushes other significant sections rather too far down the page. Would wikipedians consider hiving off the history section into a separate article? CecilWard ( talk) 09:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Bondgezou recently suggested
(Associated acts should have more than one member in common)
But that would take out both King Crimson and UK (both firmly established as contemporary prog acts with a contextual relationship to Yes) while leaving in both Cinema and XYZ (neither of which, despite featuring two or more Yes members, ever gigged or played outside rehearsal rooms or released a record). With respect, I suggest that in this context context should trump numbers. As for the inclusion/exclusion of Jon & Vangelis, I'd suggest that an act which featured the very distinctive voice and lyrics of the Yes frontman, also contained a onetime major contender for their keyboard-player position and had at least some pop success should be restored to the list. - Dann Chinn ( talk)
Recent edits have been removing assorted anecdotal material used for colour in the article. There's an argument for removing all such material from Wikipedia (whether verified via citation or not), but assuming that we want to keep some of it, could I request a use of the citation needed tag rather than outright deletion? I believe quite a lot of the material being removed is covered in the published biography by Chris Welch, even though it remains uncited in the article. (In fairness, I must confess that a lot of this is my own fault for adding material from memory and being lazy about providing citation tags and proper page refs. Sorry. Will improve this.) - Dann Chinn ( talk) 12:46, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I've just been reading through the article again, and have noticed that some of the edits deleting material have been done without any apparent regard for whether the removal of said material has any consequent effect on following sentences or paragraphs. Consequently some sections of the article are losing coherence as sentences refer back to material or developments which have been arbitrarily removed. Could those editors who consider it their duty to fully erase "unencyclopaedic" or "non-verifiable" material please bear this in mind when working on the article? Despite plenty of good efforts with editing here, some of the more proscriptive examples are verging on seagull management. - Dann Chinn ( talk) 11:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the subheading "Early days" be changed to "Early years"?-- NYMFan69-86 ( talk) 01:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I just heard Oliver Wakeman has left the band and Geoff Downes is back after three decades. Can we add that yet? Bondegezou, you're usually the first to report these things. FotoPhest ( talk) 23:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The second paragraph seems to indicate that although Chris Squire is the longest running member, the band is "generally noted" by the distinctive sound of practically everyone else who's ever been in the band. Not only does this not make sense, but it downplays Squire's influence on the success and distinctiveness of the band. Thoughts? — Shada Ng ( talk | contribs) 18:52, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
It may be good to connect the old 'Buggles' version of 'Fly From Here' with the new one-a sidenote in the first Downes/Horn portion of the Wiki, but seems to have a miraculous nascence in the latter part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5N_UiWI-cg A 1980 tour rendition.
I know this article has a lot of history to tell, but the table of contents is practically the size of a small article itself. A few of the shorter sections could really be combined (ie. Relayer->Drama) and some just don't seem deserving of their own section (ie. "Fourth Return of Rick Wakeman"). Thoughts? — Shada Ng ( talk | contribs) 21:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I see that the Yes Wikia, Ticket Master, YesWorld.com, Bondegezou and websites from the band members are being used for sources. They are not considered reliable for Wikipedia, and should be replaced. 94.31.32.30 ( talk) 15:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
This is in Trevor Rabin's article. I think it should be in here as well:
In 2004 Rabin performed in aid of the Prince's Trust with Yes at the Wembley Arena in London, where he served as lead guitarist and lead singer. The show was a tribute to producer Trevor Horn. The concert DVD is called Slaves to the Rhythm."
YouTube video of the venue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjuFAoP53BQ Yup, Anderson was not invited.
-- Hatredman ( talk) 16:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
[*] Another one: On 9 July 2010 Rabin accompanied Yes for the first time in 6 years at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles and played the encore, "Owner of a Lonely Heart". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatredman ( talk • contribs) 16:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
My apologies if this topic has been raised before (I haven't spotted it), but what are people's thoughts on including a simple member list along with the chronology that already exists? Personally I would think that it would serve a good purpose as a summation of who is and who was in the band. Considering that lineup chronologies of the grandeur of the one on this page are usually created after a list of members was already present indicates that this may have been a previous topic and that there is a consensus against it. My apologies in this case. Burbridge92 ( talk) 07:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
When I first read the opening sentence, "Yes are an English rock band who achieved worldwide success with their progressive, art, and symphonic style of rock music" I thought it was mis-punctuated and should have read "Yes are an English rock band who achieved worldwide success with their progressive art and symphonic style of rock music" (as in 'progressive art' and 'symphonic style'). But after noticing the links to progressive rock, art rock, and symphonic rock, I realized that it is actually intending to say that they achieved success with these three styles of music. This would mean that simply pluralizing "style" to "styles" would make the sentence read correctly: "Yes are an English rock band who achieved worldwide success with their progressive, art, and symphonic styles of rock music." Would this change be sufficient, or does the sentence need further tweaking? FF9 ( talk) 19:24, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
There is an inconsistency with respect to the plurality of the band name "Yes", with varying opinions from "Yes was" to "Yes are" and this should be discussed and then made consistent throughout the article. In my opinion, "Yes" refers to a single group name, just like one might use the term "faculty", and so even though it may contain several members, when referring to it "Yes" is singular. -- Wjmelements ( talk) 16:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
The timeline diagram is a wonderful graphic, but I suggest it is trying to capture too fine a level of detail and, in the process, leaving inconsistencies. White is indicated as playing keys on Magnification, but Bruford playing on "America" isn't covered. Horn played bass on one track of Drama, and a few bits of keys and guitar on Fly from Here. Sherwood plays bass on "The More We Live - Let Go" on Union. Squire and Rabin have had significant vocal roles; Squire sings lead on songs on Magnification and Fly from Here. There's lots of these examples: trying to capture all of them isn't going to be feasible, so perhaps the timeline diagram should just stick to the main instrument of each player. Bondegezou ( talk) 21:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
The ABWH album was by ABWH, not Yes, regardless of who owned the name contractually. It should not be included in the Yes discography. It is certainly worth a mention in this article, but not so detailed as presented now. 94.31.32.30 ( talk) 13:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
As with the timeline diagram (see discussion above), we now have an issue with the personnel section and what instruments/roles are listed for each band member. I suggest it is more sensible to give less detail, to focus on the main roles.
With respect to my most recent edit and Hyliad's good faith revert... Davison has been playing the harp part in "Awaken" on keyboards live. Squire plays harmonica at most Yes shows. Horn played some keyboards on 90125 and some guitar on Fly from Here, so why only list his backing vocals role? Sherwood played bass and keyboards on "The More You Live -- Let Go" on Union; he played bass and drums on Talk and played keys, guitar and a little bass on the supporting tour; and, IIRC, he played some percussion on The Ladder.
I don't particularly want all this detail listed, but I think listing some detail (e.g. Horn contributing backing vocals in 1983 and 2011), but not other details is misleading. Bondegezou ( talk) 11:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
There's a serious problem in the intro of the article. If Mabel Greer's Toyshop aren't a band pre-Yes but the first incarnation of Yes, then we have to change the birth year of Yes in 1967 and add other members of the band (Clive Bayley, Bob Hagger, Paul Rutledge). What do you think about it? -- L'Eremita ( talk) 09:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Yesgigs say clearly that the first concert of MGT was in September 7 1967!!! Advertisement of Melody Maker. -- L'Eremita ( talk) 09:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 09:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
– Similar to common English words like Yesterday or Something, this classic band existing since 40+ years has enough notability to appear as the primary topic for the term "Yes", can't see anyone on the dab competing for it. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, thus a link to yes and no and the dab is appropriate here. The Evil IP address ( talk) 17:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
One of the lineups of Yes is incorrectly referred to several times as "Yes-West". Surely the band should be referred to throughout by its proper name. As it stands, it gives the impression of personal bias in the editing of the article. 176.249.26.217 ( talk) 21:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
We have previously agreed to list ABWH in the discography section. Until recently, the ABWH albums were listed chronologically, mixed up with the regular Yes albums. They were then moved to a separate sub-section, but that was then reverted. I've just put the article back to the sub-section approach, but let's talk about it here and come to a resolution rather than just editing back and forth.
Personally, I think having a separate sub-section makes clear ABWH's distinct separate identity to Yes, while still acknowledging their connection, whereas having them all mixed up overstates the connection. But what do others think? Bondegezou ( talk) 17:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes' sole #1 hit (Owner of a Lonely Heart) was pop rock. And two of their biggest albums were pop rock. So wouldn't it make sense to add that to the infobox? Twyfan714 ( talk) 14:35, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
"The rise of punk rock at the end of the decade led to a decline in creativity and sales.." Okay, sure, the public's changing tastes led to a decline in sales, and sure, the rise of punk rock was emblematic of that change. But that the rise of punk LED TO the decline in Yes's creativity is just nonsense. I'd edit the paragraph myself, and I may later, but before I do I wanted to throw the topic out there in the Talk page... -- David James — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.205.74.23 ( talk) 20:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I strenuously object to the info box stating that Yes were also known as "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe". The info box is meant to contain quick basic facts for the casual reader. Calling ABWH "Yes" will be confusing at best and misleading at worst. Yes were never officially known as ABWH, and whether or not they were ever "unofficially" known as ABWH is a complex and nuanced situation. This is precisely the sort of thing that doesn't belong in the info box. Furthermore, this info box has it bass-ackwards. During the "Yes-East–Yes-West" years, ABWH were often casually referred to as "Yes", but Yes were never known as "ABWH". Joefromrandb ( talk) 22:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Should the graphic timeline of band members be presented in two place, here and also at the List of Yes band members? Or should it be presented only at the List of Yes band members? Binksternet ( talk) 19:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Should he be in the graphic timeline (which makes it look as though he appeared on a studio album)? Look at recent edits to this article and you can see the dispute. I reverted his addition as this article otherwise does not treat him the same as "full" members of the band. I can't see any RS describing him in those terms, but then the whole notion of who is or is not a "full" member is fraught. Bondegezou ( talk) 13:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello,
Your article about the English Group "YES" quotes the following sentence.
In February 1972, Yes recorded a cover version of "America" by Paul Simon.
I think this is an error. The group 'Yes' recorded a song called 'America', which is the one of the soundtracks from the movie West Side Story. It was an instrumental version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.236.31.234 ( talk) 14:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
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