I suggest to redirect to aliyah, "yerida(h)" is mentioned there. aliyah is immigration to Israel ("going up"), yerida is emigration ("going down"). Aleph4 21:03, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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The latest additions were translated from the paralell hebrew wiki page. grammar fixes are needed. Acidburn24m ( talk) 19:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the halakhah bit for two important, and to my knowledge undisputed, problems. First, they are anachronisms. The article was using Israel simultaneously as referring to the halakhic entity Eretz Yisrael and to the political entity Medinat Yisrael. They do not meen the same thing, and to use them interchangeably in that section is anachronistic and misleading. For example a Jew who moves from points in southern Lebanon to Eilat has left the hlachic entity Eretz Yisrael, but immigrated to Medinat Yisrael. A Jew who leaves Ashkelon to build a home in Tyre would be considered to have made yeridah the way Israelis use the term, though he has violated no halakhah. Basejumper2 ( talk) 22:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm new to wikipedia and I seem to have crossed over to original research. That will eventually be deleted if I can't find the cites. I am on a learning curve regarding contributions and would appreciate any comments regarding contributions to wikipedia. Pini00001 ( talk) 01:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
This article discusses emigration from Israel and introduces two historical claims ... at least one of which is well known to be in more than a certain amount of doubt. To this end, I added the following to the article:
I'd be very confident that some entry of this kind belongs in this article, that there can be no justification for objecting to, let alone reason for removing this particular addition - and certainly not with the the very nonrresponsive claim that it's a fringe theory. It's plainly not a fringe theory and I call on User:GHcool to explain himself and self-revert. PR talk 00:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
This article discusses emigration from Israel and introduces two historical claims ... of which there seems to be some doubt. To this end, I would like to add the following to the article:
I'd be confident that this claim is very far from being "Fringe" and some entry of this kind belongs in this article.
This RfC is raised in order to sample the opinions on editors previously not involved in this topic, though the factual knowledge of previously involved editors will be very welcome after the uninvolved editors have an opportunity to have their say. PR talk 14:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
More than Sand consider the Jewish people a myth. Nonetheless, using Sand would only show quite distinct bias. His particular claims are patently absurd. He claims that the notion (note, not the existence) of a Jewish nation is late. Clearly it is not. Whenever the Bible was written, it describes Israel as a nation in numerous places. Zionist ideology did not create the idea of the Jewish nation, it created the idea of political nationalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bauerskates ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Here from RfC. Sand is clearly RS, as scholars often are without having to be notable. Not sure whether this is a minority view. If it is new then the scholarly consensus may not have had time to re-form around it. My thought is that it is OK to add it attributed to "one scholar has argued". Itsmejudith ( talk) 12:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I propose we delete the section with the heading "Emigration from the land of Israel before Zionism." I've never heard the Hebrew word yerida used to describe pre-Zionism emigration, and the sources cited don't refer to those emigrations as yeridot either. If I do not get a response within the next day or two, I will delete it myself. -- GHcool ( talk) 05:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Not sure where that came from, yedida is not a derogatory term in Hebrew, but the most widely-used term for a Jew who lived in Israel but left. There's no other term for this in Israel (same as an immigrant is called oleh). -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 08:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Article says:
"According to Moses Maimonides it is only permitted to emigrate and resettle abroad in cases of severe hunger. Rabbi Joseph Trani determined that it is permissible to emigrate from Israel for marriage, to study Torah or to support oneself, including in cases where famine is not present. In any case, emigration from Israel and even temporary departure is not thought of in Orthodox or traditional Judaism as a worthy act for a man of stature."
I find this confusing, as during the lives of Moses Maimonides and Rabbi Joseph Trani, and indeed for most of the last 2,000 years, most Jews have lived outside of Israel.
Was this "normal state of affairs" specifically defined as impermissable or unworthy? --
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I was once in a poor-tasted joke asked: "how do you tell apart an 'aussie' Jew from a yored, without either one uttering a word? the yored is the one you mistook for an arab!"
It would be interesting to see the article address what role the intra-jewish ethnic divide has on the yerida of particular segments of israel's jewish population.
At least in australia, and im pretty sure its true for the USA and Canada too, it is painfully obvious that an obscene proportion of israeli yordim are mizrahim or sephardim seeking better opportunities outside of what israel has largely offered them so far: that of bus drivers, customer service assistants, shop attendants, manual labour, blue collar worker, singers (although i gotta admit, singing is one thing i wouldnt mind if only yemenites did, divine voices :-) lol) etc... After 61 years, Israel is still yet to see the "ethnics" of Israeli Jews hold the post of prime minister, having held only symbolic posts. Outside of Israel, most are setting up small electronics busninesses, little shopping centre carts, doing what for one reason or another they couldnt see as possible to do in israel. Many also live in the "ethnic suburbs" away from the established "Jewish suburbs".
Security issues, fear of terrorism, economy, etc.... are all addressed by the article, but the intra-jewish ethnic divides is not even alluded to.
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I suggest to redirect to aliyah, "yerida(h)" is mentioned there. aliyah is immigration to Israel ("going up"), yerida is emigration ("going down"). Aleph4 21:03, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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The latest additions were translated from the paralell hebrew wiki page. grammar fixes are needed. Acidburn24m ( talk) 19:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the halakhah bit for two important, and to my knowledge undisputed, problems. First, they are anachronisms. The article was using Israel simultaneously as referring to the halakhic entity Eretz Yisrael and to the political entity Medinat Yisrael. They do not meen the same thing, and to use them interchangeably in that section is anachronistic and misleading. For example a Jew who moves from points in southern Lebanon to Eilat has left the hlachic entity Eretz Yisrael, but immigrated to Medinat Yisrael. A Jew who leaves Ashkelon to build a home in Tyre would be considered to have made yeridah the way Israelis use the term, though he has violated no halakhah. Basejumper2 ( talk) 22:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm new to wikipedia and I seem to have crossed over to original research. That will eventually be deleted if I can't find the cites. I am on a learning curve regarding contributions and would appreciate any comments regarding contributions to wikipedia. Pini00001 ( talk) 01:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
This article discusses emigration from Israel and introduces two historical claims ... at least one of which is well known to be in more than a certain amount of doubt. To this end, I added the following to the article:
I'd be very confident that some entry of this kind belongs in this article, that there can be no justification for objecting to, let alone reason for removing this particular addition - and certainly not with the the very nonrresponsive claim that it's a fringe theory. It's plainly not a fringe theory and I call on User:GHcool to explain himself and self-revert. PR talk 00:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
This article discusses emigration from Israel and introduces two historical claims ... of which there seems to be some doubt. To this end, I would like to add the following to the article:
I'd be confident that this claim is very far from being "Fringe" and some entry of this kind belongs in this article.
This RfC is raised in order to sample the opinions on editors previously not involved in this topic, though the factual knowledge of previously involved editors will be very welcome after the uninvolved editors have an opportunity to have their say. PR talk 14:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
More than Sand consider the Jewish people a myth. Nonetheless, using Sand would only show quite distinct bias. His particular claims are patently absurd. He claims that the notion (note, not the existence) of a Jewish nation is late. Clearly it is not. Whenever the Bible was written, it describes Israel as a nation in numerous places. Zionist ideology did not create the idea of the Jewish nation, it created the idea of political nationalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bauerskates ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Here from RfC. Sand is clearly RS, as scholars often are without having to be notable. Not sure whether this is a minority view. If it is new then the scholarly consensus may not have had time to re-form around it. My thought is that it is OK to add it attributed to "one scholar has argued". Itsmejudith ( talk) 12:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I propose we delete the section with the heading "Emigration from the land of Israel before Zionism." I've never heard the Hebrew word yerida used to describe pre-Zionism emigration, and the sources cited don't refer to those emigrations as yeridot either. If I do not get a response within the next day or two, I will delete it myself. -- GHcool ( talk) 05:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Not sure where that came from, yedida is not a derogatory term in Hebrew, but the most widely-used term for a Jew who lived in Israel but left. There's no other term for this in Israel (same as an immigrant is called oleh). -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 08:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Article says:
"According to Moses Maimonides it is only permitted to emigrate and resettle abroad in cases of severe hunger. Rabbi Joseph Trani determined that it is permissible to emigrate from Israel for marriage, to study Torah or to support oneself, including in cases where famine is not present. In any case, emigration from Israel and even temporary departure is not thought of in Orthodox or traditional Judaism as a worthy act for a man of stature."
I find this confusing, as during the lives of Moses Maimonides and Rabbi Joseph Trani, and indeed for most of the last 2,000 years, most Jews have lived outside of Israel.
Was this "normal state of affairs" specifically defined as impermissable or unworthy? --
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talk)
15:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I was once in a poor-tasted joke asked: "how do you tell apart an 'aussie' Jew from a yored, without either one uttering a word? the yored is the one you mistook for an arab!"
It would be interesting to see the article address what role the intra-jewish ethnic divide has on the yerida of particular segments of israel's jewish population.
At least in australia, and im pretty sure its true for the USA and Canada too, it is painfully obvious that an obscene proportion of israeli yordim are mizrahim or sephardim seeking better opportunities outside of what israel has largely offered them so far: that of bus drivers, customer service assistants, shop attendants, manual labour, blue collar worker, singers (although i gotta admit, singing is one thing i wouldnt mind if only yemenites did, divine voices :-) lol) etc... After 61 years, Israel is still yet to see the "ethnics" of Israeli Jews hold the post of prime minister, having held only symbolic posts. Outside of Israel, most are setting up small electronics busninesses, little shopping centre carts, doing what for one reason or another they couldnt see as possible to do in israel. Many also live in the "ethnic suburbs" away from the established "Jewish suburbs".
Security issues, fear of terrorism, economy, etc.... are all addressed by the article, but the intra-jewish ethnic divides is not even alluded to.
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