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the article states "Recent discoveries in southern Arabia suggest that Year of the Elephant may have been 569 or 568, as Persians overthrew the Abyssinian regime in Yemen around 570" and cites page 7 of Watt's book ("Muhammad: Seal of the Prophets"?). I am very curious as to what these discoveries are? I can't remember Watt explaining it in "Muhammad". Are these archaeological discoveries or historical references from other texts? I am very much interested in finding what discoveries these are. It would be nice if someone could elaborate on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.151.176 ( talk) 00:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I second this objection. I can hardly think of any archaeological discovery to substantiate that Year of the Elephant may have been 569 or 568. Azd0815 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azd0815 ( talk • contribs) 18:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
many scholars believe the Year of the Elephant is represented by the Murayghan Inscription dated 552 CE. against this, is Irfan Shahid in Encycplaedia of the Qur'an, "People of the Elephant." those who make a case for 552 CE as the year of the Elephant also make a case for Muhammad being born 23 years after the Year of the Elephant, or there is tradition that he was born 20 years after the Year of the Elephant. see
http://www.mnh.si.edu/EPIGRAPHY/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean_img.htm also: "The campaign of Ḥulubān - A New Light on the Expedition of Abraha" M.J. Kister, Le Muséon, LXXVIII, no. 3-4, p. 423-436) (1965)
Ybgursey ( talk) 07:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
please include Kister's article as the "verification needed" reference to the Year of the Elephant being possibly earlier. Ybgursey ( talk) 07:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Is the sheik al-Sulami referred to Mohammed's father or what? Lycurgus ( talk) 12:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Wikipedia, I would like to know Who is Halemah , this lady took care of Muhamad ,( in actual facts This Muhamad is Halimah's son not Aminah's Son ..................please clarify.
References: http://www.islamawareness.net/Muhammed/saw.html -- Striver 15:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I dont get it. Muhammad became Prophet in 10 BH, and was forty years old. Then, this date most have been on 50 BH. Then why does everybody say it happened on 570 or 571 CE? 571 Ce is 53 BH!-- Striver 15:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
According To the histrocial Islamic and non-islamic books, Abraha wasn't chrsitian becuase when he joined to invade mecca he was seek to Destroy the kaaba ( what was been worishpped ) and build an other Kabaa for himself and he was telling the people that he is God in human body and they must worship him and his kabaa and leave ther religions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.139.210.34 ( talk) 08:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Abraha was Christian, not only do Islamic tradtions say he was, it is attested in inscriptions. No scholarly source claims he was pagan. see http://www.mnh.si.edu/EPIGRAPHY/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean_img.htm
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I removed a bizarre paragraph in the introductory section which contained a reference to an Aremnian Church father and chronicler (Sebeos), alluding to his recount of one of many conflicts the Persians had against the Byzantines and used elephants in, however citing a book which was non-congruent with the sentence written with no page number. Another sentence at the beginning states Procopius and others dispute the event, however no evidence was given and a false citation to a page that also did not dispute the event was given. The second part of the paragraph was written in a casual prose and talked about Meccans terrain being hostile to elephants - This should not be in the intro, and is unacademic and silly (Hannibal Barca marched elephants through Spain, to Rome). The final part of the paragraph removed had a reference.
If there's going to be criticism of the validity of the fact that there was a "Year of the Elephant" it shouldn't be in the intro, and should have some reasonably scholarly sources. LuckyDukeSeven ( talk) 03:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
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the article states "Recent discoveries in southern Arabia suggest that Year of the Elephant may have been 569 or 568, as Persians overthrew the Abyssinian regime in Yemen around 570" and cites page 7 of Watt's book ("Muhammad: Seal of the Prophets"?). I am very curious as to what these discoveries are? I can't remember Watt explaining it in "Muhammad". Are these archaeological discoveries or historical references from other texts? I am very much interested in finding what discoveries these are. It would be nice if someone could elaborate on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.151.176 ( talk) 00:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I second this objection. I can hardly think of any archaeological discovery to substantiate that Year of the Elephant may have been 569 or 568. Azd0815 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azd0815 ( talk • contribs) 18:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
many scholars believe the Year of the Elephant is represented by the Murayghan Inscription dated 552 CE. against this, is Irfan Shahid in Encycplaedia of the Qur'an, "People of the Elephant." those who make a case for 552 CE as the year of the Elephant also make a case for Muhammad being born 23 years after the Year of the Elephant, or there is tradition that he was born 20 years after the Year of the Elephant. see
http://www.mnh.si.edu/EPIGRAPHY/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean_img.htm also: "The campaign of Ḥulubān - A New Light on the Expedition of Abraha" M.J. Kister, Le Muséon, LXXVIII, no. 3-4, p. 423-436) (1965)
Ybgursey ( talk) 07:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
please include Kister's article as the "verification needed" reference to the Year of the Elephant being possibly earlier. Ybgursey ( talk) 07:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Is the sheik al-Sulami referred to Mohammed's father or what? Lycurgus ( talk) 12:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Wikipedia, I would like to know Who is Halemah , this lady took care of Muhamad ,( in actual facts This Muhamad is Halimah's son not Aminah's Son ..................please clarify.
References: http://www.islamawareness.net/Muhammed/saw.html -- Striver 15:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I dont get it. Muhammad became Prophet in 10 BH, and was forty years old. Then, this date most have been on 50 BH. Then why does everybody say it happened on 570 or 571 CE? 571 Ce is 53 BH!-- Striver 15:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
According To the histrocial Islamic and non-islamic books, Abraha wasn't chrsitian becuase when he joined to invade mecca he was seek to Destroy the kaaba ( what was been worishpped ) and build an other Kabaa for himself and he was telling the people that he is God in human body and they must worship him and his kabaa and leave ther religions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.139.210.34 ( talk) 08:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Abraha was Christian, not only do Islamic tradtions say he was, it is attested in inscriptions. No scholarly source claims he was pagan. see http://www.mnh.si.edu/EPIGRAPHY/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean_img.htm
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I removed a bizarre paragraph in the introductory section which contained a reference to an Aremnian Church father and chronicler (Sebeos), alluding to his recount of one of many conflicts the Persians had against the Byzantines and used elephants in, however citing a book which was non-congruent with the sentence written with no page number. Another sentence at the beginning states Procopius and others dispute the event, however no evidence was given and a false citation to a page that also did not dispute the event was given. The second part of the paragraph was written in a casual prose and talked about Meccans terrain being hostile to elephants - This should not be in the intro, and is unacademic and silly (Hannibal Barca marched elephants through Spain, to Rome). The final part of the paragraph removed had a reference.
If there's going to be criticism of the validity of the fact that there was a "Year of the Elephant" it shouldn't be in the intro, and should have some reasonably scholarly sources. LuckyDukeSeven ( talk) 03:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
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