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We currently have a bit of an edit war going on regarding Markshern7's preferred version of the article. I (and by the looks of it, Canoe1967) have serious concerns over this version. Whilst I appreciate the considerable amount of work that Markshern7 has put in, much of this new content is inappropriate for the following reasons:
As such, whilst an interesting piece of investigatove journalism, this account is not appropriate under the biographies of living persons policy. I am starting a discussion here to hopefully avoid a continuing edit war. Yunshui 雲 水 07:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate the points made by Yunshui, and welcome point-by-point discussion of the article, but complete suppression of the entirety of my work is by no means a "good faith edit," it is, on the contrary, an overt and highly political act of vandalism done in what appears to me to be bad faith, for what appears to be the deliberate censorship of relevant facts. For example, the suggestion that the inclusion of the first image is someow insidious is entirely mistaken: No photograph of Mr. Al-Qadi himself is available in wikimedia commons, and as many of the footnotes attached to this piece indicate, the debate over the September 11 attacks is at the center of all previous discussion of Mr. Al-Qadi, both in the international press and in all debates on this subject held before the United Nations. To deny that his name is somehow connected to the September 11 attacks is absurd on its face. I therefore ask that the Wikipedia community revert the unreasonably destructive "edit" of the article by Yunshui, who appears to be engaged in vandalism under false guise of neutrality, and I ask for a full peer review. Markshern7 ( talk) 12:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Virii, thank you for your strong comments. Because they lack reference to specific lines or items within the article, I propose that the article be entirely re-written from the top. I will happily await your comments and edits along the way, but I believe that the Yasin al-Qadi article as it presently stands is wholly inadequate for the following reasons: 1)Reversion to the original version re-introduced serious errors. 2) Mr. Al-Qadi's name is not given in full, which opens the door to possible Libel complaints by people with a similar name. I intend to give his full name, as provided by the United Nations page on Al-Qadi, and as required by Wikipedia biography rules. 3) Mr,. Al-Qadi's birth year is incorrectly given as 1956. According to the official Department of Treasury page that listed Mr. Al-Qadi as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist, he was born 23 February 1955 in Cairo, Egypt. 4) The original version of the article does not even mention the September 11 attacks, and thus fails to live up to requirements 4 and 5 of Wikipedia's style guide on Biographies, namely it fails to mention or fully explain the reasons why he is famous or notorious. When history books are written, he certainly will be mentioned in connection to the September 11 attacks, and no responsible Wikipedia biography would omit such information.
Do you have any objections to these changes or the introduction of this relevant information? If so, please post and we will discuss. If not, then in 24 hours I will post a re-write of the opening paragraph and await comments from the Wikipedia community. When we have reached a consensus, then we can move on from the opening paragraph to the main body of the article.
I hear very clearly that you did not like the Mitt Romney section, and look forward to improving that section and making it well-sourced as possible, going over it line by line, if necessary, with you and the more experienced editors at Wikipedia.
With regard to sourcing, I would like to point out that there were more than 120 footnotes in the original version, which can hardly be called poorly sourced. I would also like to ask you to calm down and keep your own language and point of view as neutral as possible. Thank you. Markshern7 ( talk) 21:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Red Pen, you are quite right. I have already conceded your point, and I hope to move ahead cautiously with a re-write, and I invite you to please add commentary along the way, if you are still concerned about the article's neutrality. Please be aware that this is my second article for Wikipedia. I am a newbie, and I was not aware of the No Original Research policy; Per Yunshui's suggestion, I have now read the No Original Research policy thoroughly, and my efforts to synthesize material will therefore come to a halt. All I can say is, please don't bite the Newbies, and I will work to improve this article. As always, you are welcome to jump in and make any additions, deletions or changes that you think are necessary in order to maintain neutrality. I hope you will -- your comments and suggestions have been valuable. I will try to learn from them. Thank you. 66.87.7.243 ( talk) 04:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
One of the things that seems to be rubbing people the wrong way is the prominent inclusion of a photograph of United Flight 175 hitting the World Trade Center. Believe me, I understand that this area of the page is typically reserved for photo portraits of the subject being profiled, and there are many photographs of Yasin al-Qadi on the internet. But here's the problem: He is a living person, with full legal rights to the use of his image, and none of the images I have found are in the public domain. They simply can't be used without risk of copyright violation. I am therefore putting out a call for help to ViriiK and the other editors in the community. Please help find a public domain photo of Yasin al-Qadi. If I myself can find a U.S. government-issue photo that satisfies copyright laws, I promise to post it in Wikimedia Commons, and then perhaps this upset over the photo of the Twin Towers will go away. Markshern7 ( talk) 22:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Additions made: Mr. Al-Qadi's full name was added, in order to distinguish him from any other person with a similar name. In keeping with rules of biogaphies of living persons, especially those who are charged with any kind of crime that might bring them into disrepute, I have made every effort to footnote the claim that he is in current SDGT status, by linking to the relevant OFAC webpage, which confirms that he is still in SDGT status.
State Department is under great pressure to roll back Al-Qadi's status and take him off the terror list, so I triple checked to be sure he is still on. Federal Register confirms it through 2011 only. Googling for any article that indicates he may have been removed actually turned up a March 2012 article that says U.S. courts haver re-affirmed his SDGT status. The stub from the first draft of this article, which takes his status up to 2008, must therefore be corrected, because it leaves the false impression that both EU and UN had let off the hook. Not so! UN and US sanctions are still full on.
See anything that needs improvement so far? All comments and suggestions welcome. If I haven't heard from anyone by end of weekend, I'll move forward at a fairly rapid pace to the next section: Early Life. This material will include some material that is hard to find, hard to source, and I will make every effort to source well.
Basic arc, of course, will be chrono order. I'll try to keep each section short, succinct and no-nonsense. Most bio comes from American papers, which are clearly slanted, and I will try to balance by including any quotes that Mr. Al-Qadi gives in his own defence.
See Markshern7 sandbox for previews. Markshern7 ( talk) 03:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Red Pen of Doom, please do review the guidelines on Coat Racks, especially the section on "What Are Not Coat Racks." You will find an example in which the biography of a living astronaut gives special focus (and a great deal of space) to his Moon landing, and this is not considered a coat rack or distortion of the subject: the Moon landing is what makes him notable.
In the case of this biography, Mr. Al-Qadi is famous in large part for being sanctioned as a terrorist, and the sections which you've deleted remove highly relevant family history that relates directly to his own life story and the very subject that makes Mr. Al-Qadi notable: Terrorism. To delete all reference to Mr. Al-Qadi's relations with the Muslim Brotherhood and to delete all discussion of the Muslim Brotherhood's historical background within a biography of Mr. Al Qadi is simply not appropriate -- it is a destructive edit that distorts the central focus of the article, and it cannot be justified, which is perhaps why you've made no comments whatever on the talk page.
I invite you to show cause, in detail, why these sections should be removed, and in the absence of appropriate explanation or remarks within 24 hours, I will revert those sections that were inappropriately deleted without comment. If they are deleted again, I will have to conclude that your edits are not edits, but acts of vandalism.
Please do give more clear, concise and positive comments in future, and stop making such broad deletions without giving specific reasons. Thank you. Markshern7 ( talk) 00:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
This is about as helpful as saying "I have deleted them because I have deleted them" -- it gives me no specifics. For example: Can you explain why you deleted the section on the Jamjoom family and their political alliance with the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations? Are you really going to pretend that Mr. Al-Qadi's family and their political affiliations have nothing to do with the subject of Mr. Al-Qadi? How can an editor write anyone's biography without mentioning the person's family? Markshern7 ( talk) 00:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Thank you, Alanyst, for your review. Regarding "no reliable sources" that connect Al-Qadi to the Muslim Brotherhood, the ABN or the Nazis, I would refer you to the Talk page on the Muslim Brotherhood and Hassan al-Banna, or simply Google Banna + Nazi and you will find abundant connections. With regard to no "reliable" sources connecting al-Qadi's father in law to the ABN (which counts many Nazi war criminals among its ranks) how is the ABN's own publication of the 1979 Executive Committee, which includes the Jamjooms, not a reliable source? How can you call "irrelevant" the fact that Dr. Ahmed Elkadi (Al-Qadi) headed the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States between 1984 to 1994, when the subject of this biography is Yasin al-Qadi? The source on this was the Chicago Tribune -- how is it that the Tribune is suddenly "unreliable"?
If you insist that I find direct connections to Yasin al-Qadi, I will do so. That is easily done: He had direct business relations with Dr. El-Kadi's replacement as head of the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States, Abdurahman Almoudi. There are abundant court documents connecting Yasin al-Qadi and Almoudi through their mutual investment in PTECH, and likewise plenty of documents showing business connections between al-Qadi and the MAK (another name for the Muslim Brotherhood, as John Loftus explained in the section which you have just deleted).
I will set this issue aside right now, and move on to adding more basic material on this article, but in general I think that both of you risk putting yourselves into the category of Wikipedia editors who delete all reference to the holocaust from articles on World War II. Your deletions are that egregious, they are contrary to well-established fact, and far from establishing balance and neutrality they will cause a great number of people in the public to question your own neutrality. Do you really want to go there? I ask you to consider carefully before making any further deletions of well-sourced and relevant material. If such destructive edits continue, I will appeal. Thank you. Markshern7 ( talk) 16:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
If Mr. Al Qadi was working for the Jamjoom Group in 1980, and the Jamjoom group was headed in 1980 by a member of the Executive Committee of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, then Mr. Yasin Al-Qadi himself was working on behalf of a member of the Executive Committe of the ABN. QED.
Is that connection enough for you? If not, why not? What other documentation is needed? Markshern7 ( talk) 21:51, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
The comment that "Wikipedia is not especially interested in the Truth" certainly give me pause, but I take your main point. I will try to find a direct quote from a respected authority who mentions Al Qadi's relationship to Muslim Brotherhood. Thank you for taking the time to spell this out, Yunshui. Markshern7 ( talk) 04:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
I propose to directly quote or paraphrase this source: Comras, Victor D. Flawed Diplomacy: The United Nations and the War on Terrorism (Potomac Books Inc., 2010) p. 98
"Yasin Abdullah Ezzeddine Qadi (Al-Kadi) is an influential Saudi Arabian businessman, born in Egypt, tied to the Muslim Brotherhood, and with financial interests around the world. He was one of the first persons designated by the United States for providing financial services and funds in support of Al-Qaeda."
Paraphrase: Al-Qadi is "tied to the Muslim Brotherhood" according to Victor D. Comras, one of the five UN Security Council-appointed international monitors on the measures being taken against al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
Then one or two lines tops about what the Muslim Brotherhood is (with a convenience link to the Wikipedia article on the Muslim Brotherhood) and keep moving forward (avoid digression). Is that format more acceptable? Markshern7 ( talk) 04:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Using the Wikipedia biography of Abraham Lincoln as a model for format, I have made two new categories for references and have begun populating these fields. Obviously most books need ISBN information to be added later. For now I am blocking in some basic sources, which point readers to further reading, and making a list of footnoted sources in alpha order by author. Citation and style of citation will need closer attention and clean-up to fully comply with Wikipedia standards, but I thought it best to add these sources now lest the entire biography seem to be horribly under-sourced. Markshern7 ( talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
The chronological arch of Mr. Al-Qadi's life after 2001 includes several lawsuits, which I am busily digesting now. These probably need to be put into a chart or presented graphically. Any suggestions how to present a long list of lawsuits in graphic form? Examples for modelling the format? Markshern7 ( talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Mr. Al-Qadi was de-listed (taken off the list of terrorism suspects) in the United Kingdom when he won a lawsuit there in 2008. In all fairness to him and to UK readers, this fact needs to be added immediately, with relevant details of the lawsuit, and that will be my next post. Markshern7 ( talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7 Have found nothing but press release on website of Qadi's attorney, and am still looking for news reporting to confirm that Qadi was delisted by UK. Will post soon. Markshern7 ( talk) 18:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Red Pen, I guess you deleted the Dar al-Hekma section because you consider it a Coatrack, but you left no clear reason for the cut. Please give your reasons and a suggestion for what needs to be trimmed. This is not a synthesis or original research: It is a genuine controversy being actively debated in the news and on the floor of the U.S. Congress, Mr. Qadi is clearly mentioned in a great deal of the debate, and complete deletion therefore seems inappropriate. Without any constructive comments or explanation why you deleted the whole thing, I will simply revert and re-post in 24 hours. 18:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Your point about the letter making no mention of Dar al Hekma is true, but it assumes that the letter itself is the center of the controversy and that is simply not the case. Hilary Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff, Ms. Abedin, and the political alliance of her family to Muslim extremists and, specifically, to Mr. Qadi (a Specially Designated Terrorist) is at the center of the media debate. The website for Congressman Tancredo (cited) refers specifically to Yasin al-Qadi as an example of Ms. Abedin's "ties to terrorists," but if you missed that reference then your point is well taken: I need to add more references to the many sources citing Qadi. I will do so and will re-post a leaner, better-sourced section. Thank you for adding your perspective! Markshern7 ( talk) 19:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
I noticed a number of citations in the article to History Commons. I inquired at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and a couple of uninvolved editors opined that the site should not be used as a source for this article. This agrees with my opinion of the source, so I will shortly begin removing references to the site and material that depends solely upon it. If anyone thinks History Commons is in fact reliable, I would be happy to discuss it here or at the Reliable Sources noticeboard. alanyst 22:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I suppose I should mention that I'm trying to get this article to a more focused state. Markshern7 has done a lot of work in providing material for this article, and I hope he knows that his willingness to contribute is appreciated. Alas, much of the material is off-topic, original synthesis, or not sourced properly. My vision is of an article that talks about Qadi himself, his life, and the story of his designation as a terrorism financier from 2001 until the present. It should summarize the allegations and defenses put forth regarding that designation, but it should not attempt to state original conclusions or give undue weight to either Qadi's accusers or defenders. And it should have only a handful of section headings. Again, this is not intended as anything personal toward those who have contributed, and I hope this cleanup effort is not taken as such (nor as an effort to enforce a particular point of view; I have no ulterior agenda on this subject). alanyst 23:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
In the section about BCCI and Bin Mahfouz, the book False Profits: The Inside Story of BCCI, the World's Most Corrupt Financial Empire is cited for the following statements about Qadi:
There is also the unsourced statement:
Can someone with access to the False Profits book (I'm looking at you, Markshern7) please provide quoted excerpts from that book that support these statements? They must specifically refer to Qadi, not just connections of his. If the last statement should be cited to a different source, please provide an excerpt from that too. Thanks, alanyst 03:23, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I restructured the article into several top-level sections that cover thematic aspects of Qadi's life: his early life and family; his business and charitable ventures; the blacklisting and asset freeze; and the legal actions in various countries. (I'm open to other ideas on the structure but not the one-event-per-section approach of before; this article does not need dozens of sections.) From here I intend to gradually eliminate the level three subheadings by condensing material within them and smoothing the results into a cohesive narrative. The lede also needs to be trimmed down, with some of the most recent additions being moved into the body of the article. alanyst 06:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I am a member of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi’s international coordinating legal team based in London, Carter-Ruck, and I request certain edits to this Wikipedia page on his behalf. I understand Wikipedia’s policies on edits to BLP pages and in suggesting edits below I will focus on factual inaccuracies and provide supporting independent references for ease of verification.
There are numerous inaccuracies in this article, but of primary concern is the incorrect assertion that Mr Kadi “remains a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” under U.S. law”. Mr Kadi was in fact removed from the US’s terrorism sanctions list in November 2014, following which he is no longer subject to any sanctions / restrictive measures by the US authorities, or by any other authority anywhere in the world. Thus the description of Mr Kadi as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” is incorrect.
I suggest that the wording “However, Qadi remains a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” under US law” is therefore deleted.
To provide proper and fair balance in this respect, the article’s introduction might also clearly state the position regarding Mr Kadi’s de-listing by the US Government’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) in 2014, given that such a substantial part of the article goes on to focus on these restrictive measures. I suggest the following sentence is therefore added at the conclusion of the introductory section: “On November 26th 2014, OFAC removed Qadi from its List of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons (SDN) List”.
The following web pages may be cited in support of this statement and the position regarding Mr Kadi’s de-listing, and there are further references should these be required:
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20141203226308
Additionally, I would request that the image of the World Trade Centre attacks is removed from this BLP page. It is a highly emotive image to be included on a BLP page, and where Mr Kadi has never been tried (let alone convicted) of any terrorism-related offence, and is no longer the subject of any sanctions anywhere in the world, we consider the inclusion of such an image to be inappropriate. Carter-Ruck (on behalf of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi) ( talk) 15:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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Not done Without the sources inline with the text, it's just a mess of puffery. Also, threatening to "take edits live" is not a positive way of getting users to respond. Joseph2302 ( talk) 19:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for implementing the requested edit concerning the presentation of Mr Kadi’s name. In addition to these changes, I also propose the following amendments which I should be grateful if you would review, and implement to the extent that you consider them to be appropriate. Again, please do let me know if you feel that further or better sources are required in relation to any of these aspects, as I may be able to provide these:
Introduction
After “blacklist” and before the sentence beginning “On 26 November 2014” in the penultimate line of the introduction, I suggest adding the following to summarise Mr Kadi’s 2012 de-listing by the EU:
“By Commission Implementing Regulation 933/2012 of October 11, 2012 the EU removed its restrictive measures against Kadi [1]. In its judgment of 18 July 2013 in Kadi II, the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Justice, comprising thirteen judges, confirmed the General Court’s annulment of the EU sanctions imposed upon Kadi in November 2008. The Court ruled it was ‘clear that no information of evidence has been produced to substantiate the allegations of the Muwafaq Foundation’s involvement in international terrorism in the form of links with …Al Qaeda. In such circumstances, the indications of the role and duties of Mr Kadi in relation to that foundation are not such as to justify the adoption, at European Union level, of restrictive measures against him’. [2]”
Early Life and Family
Mr Kadi in fact has six sisters rather than five. I note that the source currently referenced does not support the statement that he has five sisters, and I would refer to page 23 of the statement dated 17 December 2001, filed in connection with his claim against HM Treasury [3].
In the second paragraph, I propose amending “subsequently moved to Chicago” to read “subsequently became an intern at the architectural firm Skidmore Owings and Merrill in Chicago” [4]
Business and nonprofit ventures
Mr Kadi became the vice president of the Jamjoom Group in 1981, not 1980, and this is confirmed in his witness statement of 17 December 2001, filed in connection with his claim against HM Treasury [5]. The sentence beginning “A similarly named organization, Muwaffaq Ltd…” is not properly referenced and I suggest this is removed. Muwaffaq Ltd was in fact a commercial vehicle of Mr Kadi and had nothing to do with the charitable activities of the Muwafaq Foundation. However, I do not have any references to third party sources in relation to this.
I propose that the paragraph beginning “Plaintiffs who have filed a suit against Qadi…”, this sentence is extended to take account of Mr Kadi’s denials of this allegation, so that it continues “…an allegation Mr Kadi has repeatedly denied”. [6]
In the paragraph beginning “In 1994, Qadi helped raise the original…”, I believe it is important for this section to make clear that Mr Kadi no longer had any interest in Ptech, Inc. at the time of its closure. I would suggest that the following is added as a new, penultimate sentence of this paragraph: “Qadi had by then divested himself of all his interests in the company on 4 October 1999” [7]
Terrorism Blacklist - 1991: Loan Linked to Hamas
In this section, I believe any references to Mr Salah should be expanded to make it clear that he was acquitted of terrorism charges by a Federal Jury in a Chicago court on 1 February 2007 [8].
December 2002: Brisard report given to UN Security Council
This section refers to a report submitted by Jean-Charles Brisard to the UN Security Council. For the reasons set out in the link below, I consider that the first source cited under this heading should not be relied upon and I would suggest that this section is therefore deleted completely. However, if you believe it should be retained, I propose that the opening paragraph under this heading is extended to include the following:
“Contrary to claims made by Brisard, the former president of the UN Security Council, Alfonso Valdivieso, later confirmed that Brisard’s report was unsolicited and that he had not been commissioned by the UN to produce a report on terrorism financing. Mr Valdivieso described Mr Brisard’s conduct in asserting otherwise as “totally deceitful and marked by the intention to mislead”.” [9] Carter-Ruck (on behalf of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi) ( talk) 18:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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I took out the part about the El-Kadi family being early members of the Brotherhood, because the source (Tribune) doesn't seem to mention Yassin and doesn't even say this is the same El-Kadi family. Did I miss something? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 19:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I am a member of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi’s international coordinating legal team based in London, Carter-Ruck, and I have requested certain edits to this Wikipedia page on his behalf. I refer to my earlier posts on this page of 4 February and 4 March (under a previous username) and via my Talk page on 21 March, 4 April, 20 April and 6 May 2016.
I acknowledge and understand the principles of free speech and the policies of Wikipedia. I am openly amending this BLP page as my edit requests correcting unsupported and/or inadequately referenced statements and allegations have not been taken live. I am mindful of Wikipedia’s policies and would add that I am focussing on preserving neutrality, correcting factual inaccuracies and providing independent references for ease of verification. Dom at Carter-Ruck ( talk) 11:05, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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All of the material that is sourced to court documents should be removed, immediately per WP:BLP if it's contentious. See WP:BLPPRIMARY. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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We currently have a bit of an edit war going on regarding Markshern7's preferred version of the article. I (and by the looks of it, Canoe1967) have serious concerns over this version. Whilst I appreciate the considerable amount of work that Markshern7 has put in, much of this new content is inappropriate for the following reasons:
As such, whilst an interesting piece of investigatove journalism, this account is not appropriate under the biographies of living persons policy. I am starting a discussion here to hopefully avoid a continuing edit war. Yunshui 雲 水 07:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate the points made by Yunshui, and welcome point-by-point discussion of the article, but complete suppression of the entirety of my work is by no means a "good faith edit," it is, on the contrary, an overt and highly political act of vandalism done in what appears to me to be bad faith, for what appears to be the deliberate censorship of relevant facts. For example, the suggestion that the inclusion of the first image is someow insidious is entirely mistaken: No photograph of Mr. Al-Qadi himself is available in wikimedia commons, and as many of the footnotes attached to this piece indicate, the debate over the September 11 attacks is at the center of all previous discussion of Mr. Al-Qadi, both in the international press and in all debates on this subject held before the United Nations. To deny that his name is somehow connected to the September 11 attacks is absurd on its face. I therefore ask that the Wikipedia community revert the unreasonably destructive "edit" of the article by Yunshui, who appears to be engaged in vandalism under false guise of neutrality, and I ask for a full peer review. Markshern7 ( talk) 12:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Virii, thank you for your strong comments. Because they lack reference to specific lines or items within the article, I propose that the article be entirely re-written from the top. I will happily await your comments and edits along the way, but I believe that the Yasin al-Qadi article as it presently stands is wholly inadequate for the following reasons: 1)Reversion to the original version re-introduced serious errors. 2) Mr. Al-Qadi's name is not given in full, which opens the door to possible Libel complaints by people with a similar name. I intend to give his full name, as provided by the United Nations page on Al-Qadi, and as required by Wikipedia biography rules. 3) Mr,. Al-Qadi's birth year is incorrectly given as 1956. According to the official Department of Treasury page that listed Mr. Al-Qadi as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist, he was born 23 February 1955 in Cairo, Egypt. 4) The original version of the article does not even mention the September 11 attacks, and thus fails to live up to requirements 4 and 5 of Wikipedia's style guide on Biographies, namely it fails to mention or fully explain the reasons why he is famous or notorious. When history books are written, he certainly will be mentioned in connection to the September 11 attacks, and no responsible Wikipedia biography would omit such information.
Do you have any objections to these changes or the introduction of this relevant information? If so, please post and we will discuss. If not, then in 24 hours I will post a re-write of the opening paragraph and await comments from the Wikipedia community. When we have reached a consensus, then we can move on from the opening paragraph to the main body of the article.
I hear very clearly that you did not like the Mitt Romney section, and look forward to improving that section and making it well-sourced as possible, going over it line by line, if necessary, with you and the more experienced editors at Wikipedia.
With regard to sourcing, I would like to point out that there were more than 120 footnotes in the original version, which can hardly be called poorly sourced. I would also like to ask you to calm down and keep your own language and point of view as neutral as possible. Thank you. Markshern7 ( talk) 21:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Red Pen, you are quite right. I have already conceded your point, and I hope to move ahead cautiously with a re-write, and I invite you to please add commentary along the way, if you are still concerned about the article's neutrality. Please be aware that this is my second article for Wikipedia. I am a newbie, and I was not aware of the No Original Research policy; Per Yunshui's suggestion, I have now read the No Original Research policy thoroughly, and my efforts to synthesize material will therefore come to a halt. All I can say is, please don't bite the Newbies, and I will work to improve this article. As always, you are welcome to jump in and make any additions, deletions or changes that you think are necessary in order to maintain neutrality. I hope you will -- your comments and suggestions have been valuable. I will try to learn from them. Thank you. 66.87.7.243 ( talk) 04:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
One of the things that seems to be rubbing people the wrong way is the prominent inclusion of a photograph of United Flight 175 hitting the World Trade Center. Believe me, I understand that this area of the page is typically reserved for photo portraits of the subject being profiled, and there are many photographs of Yasin al-Qadi on the internet. But here's the problem: He is a living person, with full legal rights to the use of his image, and none of the images I have found are in the public domain. They simply can't be used without risk of copyright violation. I am therefore putting out a call for help to ViriiK and the other editors in the community. Please help find a public domain photo of Yasin al-Qadi. If I myself can find a U.S. government-issue photo that satisfies copyright laws, I promise to post it in Wikimedia Commons, and then perhaps this upset over the photo of the Twin Towers will go away. Markshern7 ( talk) 22:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Additions made: Mr. Al-Qadi's full name was added, in order to distinguish him from any other person with a similar name. In keeping with rules of biogaphies of living persons, especially those who are charged with any kind of crime that might bring them into disrepute, I have made every effort to footnote the claim that he is in current SDGT status, by linking to the relevant OFAC webpage, which confirms that he is still in SDGT status.
State Department is under great pressure to roll back Al-Qadi's status and take him off the terror list, so I triple checked to be sure he is still on. Federal Register confirms it through 2011 only. Googling for any article that indicates he may have been removed actually turned up a March 2012 article that says U.S. courts haver re-affirmed his SDGT status. The stub from the first draft of this article, which takes his status up to 2008, must therefore be corrected, because it leaves the false impression that both EU and UN had let off the hook. Not so! UN and US sanctions are still full on.
See anything that needs improvement so far? All comments and suggestions welcome. If I haven't heard from anyone by end of weekend, I'll move forward at a fairly rapid pace to the next section: Early Life. This material will include some material that is hard to find, hard to source, and I will make every effort to source well.
Basic arc, of course, will be chrono order. I'll try to keep each section short, succinct and no-nonsense. Most bio comes from American papers, which are clearly slanted, and I will try to balance by including any quotes that Mr. Al-Qadi gives in his own defence.
See Markshern7 sandbox for previews. Markshern7 ( talk) 03:24, 28 July 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Red Pen of Doom, please do review the guidelines on Coat Racks, especially the section on "What Are Not Coat Racks." You will find an example in which the biography of a living astronaut gives special focus (and a great deal of space) to his Moon landing, and this is not considered a coat rack or distortion of the subject: the Moon landing is what makes him notable.
In the case of this biography, Mr. Al-Qadi is famous in large part for being sanctioned as a terrorist, and the sections which you've deleted remove highly relevant family history that relates directly to his own life story and the very subject that makes Mr. Al-Qadi notable: Terrorism. To delete all reference to Mr. Al-Qadi's relations with the Muslim Brotherhood and to delete all discussion of the Muslim Brotherhood's historical background within a biography of Mr. Al Qadi is simply not appropriate -- it is a destructive edit that distorts the central focus of the article, and it cannot be justified, which is perhaps why you've made no comments whatever on the talk page.
I invite you to show cause, in detail, why these sections should be removed, and in the absence of appropriate explanation or remarks within 24 hours, I will revert those sections that were inappropriately deleted without comment. If they are deleted again, I will have to conclude that your edits are not edits, but acts of vandalism.
Please do give more clear, concise and positive comments in future, and stop making such broad deletions without giving specific reasons. Thank you. Markshern7 ( talk) 00:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
This is about as helpful as saying "I have deleted them because I have deleted them" -- it gives me no specifics. For example: Can you explain why you deleted the section on the Jamjoom family and their political alliance with the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations? Are you really going to pretend that Mr. Al-Qadi's family and their political affiliations have nothing to do with the subject of Mr. Al-Qadi? How can an editor write anyone's biography without mentioning the person's family? Markshern7 ( talk) 00:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Thank you, Alanyst, for your review. Regarding "no reliable sources" that connect Al-Qadi to the Muslim Brotherhood, the ABN or the Nazis, I would refer you to the Talk page on the Muslim Brotherhood and Hassan al-Banna, or simply Google Banna + Nazi and you will find abundant connections. With regard to no "reliable" sources connecting al-Qadi's father in law to the ABN (which counts many Nazi war criminals among its ranks) how is the ABN's own publication of the 1979 Executive Committee, which includes the Jamjooms, not a reliable source? How can you call "irrelevant" the fact that Dr. Ahmed Elkadi (Al-Qadi) headed the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States between 1984 to 1994, when the subject of this biography is Yasin al-Qadi? The source on this was the Chicago Tribune -- how is it that the Tribune is suddenly "unreliable"?
If you insist that I find direct connections to Yasin al-Qadi, I will do so. That is easily done: He had direct business relations with Dr. El-Kadi's replacement as head of the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States, Abdurahman Almoudi. There are abundant court documents connecting Yasin al-Qadi and Almoudi through their mutual investment in PTECH, and likewise plenty of documents showing business connections between al-Qadi and the MAK (another name for the Muslim Brotherhood, as John Loftus explained in the section which you have just deleted).
I will set this issue aside right now, and move on to adding more basic material on this article, but in general I think that both of you risk putting yourselves into the category of Wikipedia editors who delete all reference to the holocaust from articles on World War II. Your deletions are that egregious, they are contrary to well-established fact, and far from establishing balance and neutrality they will cause a great number of people in the public to question your own neutrality. Do you really want to go there? I ask you to consider carefully before making any further deletions of well-sourced and relevant material. If such destructive edits continue, I will appeal. Thank you. Markshern7 ( talk) 16:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
If Mr. Al Qadi was working for the Jamjoom Group in 1980, and the Jamjoom group was headed in 1980 by a member of the Executive Committee of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, then Mr. Yasin Al-Qadi himself was working on behalf of a member of the Executive Committe of the ABN. QED.
Is that connection enough for you? If not, why not? What other documentation is needed? Markshern7 ( talk) 21:51, 2 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
The comment that "Wikipedia is not especially interested in the Truth" certainly give me pause, but I take your main point. I will try to find a direct quote from a respected authority who mentions Al Qadi's relationship to Muslim Brotherhood. Thank you for taking the time to spell this out, Yunshui. Markshern7 ( talk) 04:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
I propose to directly quote or paraphrase this source: Comras, Victor D. Flawed Diplomacy: The United Nations and the War on Terrorism (Potomac Books Inc., 2010) p. 98
"Yasin Abdullah Ezzeddine Qadi (Al-Kadi) is an influential Saudi Arabian businessman, born in Egypt, tied to the Muslim Brotherhood, and with financial interests around the world. He was one of the first persons designated by the United States for providing financial services and funds in support of Al-Qaeda."
Paraphrase: Al-Qadi is "tied to the Muslim Brotherhood" according to Victor D. Comras, one of the five UN Security Council-appointed international monitors on the measures being taken against al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
Then one or two lines tops about what the Muslim Brotherhood is (with a convenience link to the Wikipedia article on the Muslim Brotherhood) and keep moving forward (avoid digression). Is that format more acceptable? Markshern7 ( talk) 04:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Using the Wikipedia biography of Abraham Lincoln as a model for format, I have made two new categories for references and have begun populating these fields. Obviously most books need ISBN information to be added later. For now I am blocking in some basic sources, which point readers to further reading, and making a list of footnoted sources in alpha order by author. Citation and style of citation will need closer attention and clean-up to fully comply with Wikipedia standards, but I thought it best to add these sources now lest the entire biography seem to be horribly under-sourced. Markshern7 ( talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
The chronological arch of Mr. Al-Qadi's life after 2001 includes several lawsuits, which I am busily digesting now. These probably need to be put into a chart or presented graphically. Any suggestions how to present a long list of lawsuits in graphic form? Examples for modelling the format? Markshern7 ( talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Mr. Al-Qadi was de-listed (taken off the list of terrorism suspects) in the United Kingdom when he won a lawsuit there in 2008. In all fairness to him and to UK readers, this fact needs to be added immediately, with relevant details of the lawsuit, and that will be my next post. Markshern7 ( talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7 Have found nothing but press release on website of Qadi's attorney, and am still looking for news reporting to confirm that Qadi was delisted by UK. Will post soon. Markshern7 ( talk) 18:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Red Pen, I guess you deleted the Dar al-Hekma section because you consider it a Coatrack, but you left no clear reason for the cut. Please give your reasons and a suggestion for what needs to be trimmed. This is not a synthesis or original research: It is a genuine controversy being actively debated in the news and on the floor of the U.S. Congress, Mr. Qadi is clearly mentioned in a great deal of the debate, and complete deletion therefore seems inappropriate. Without any constructive comments or explanation why you deleted the whole thing, I will simply revert and re-post in 24 hours. 18:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
Your point about the letter making no mention of Dar al Hekma is true, but it assumes that the letter itself is the center of the controversy and that is simply not the case. Hilary Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff, Ms. Abedin, and the political alliance of her family to Muslim extremists and, specifically, to Mr. Qadi (a Specially Designated Terrorist) is at the center of the media debate. The website for Congressman Tancredo (cited) refers specifically to Yasin al-Qadi as an example of Ms. Abedin's "ties to terrorists," but if you missed that reference then your point is well taken: I need to add more references to the many sources citing Qadi. I will do so and will re-post a leaner, better-sourced section. Thank you for adding your perspective! Markshern7 ( talk) 19:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)Markshern7
I noticed a number of citations in the article to History Commons. I inquired at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and a couple of uninvolved editors opined that the site should not be used as a source for this article. This agrees with my opinion of the source, so I will shortly begin removing references to the site and material that depends solely upon it. If anyone thinks History Commons is in fact reliable, I would be happy to discuss it here or at the Reliable Sources noticeboard. alanyst 22:30, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I suppose I should mention that I'm trying to get this article to a more focused state. Markshern7 has done a lot of work in providing material for this article, and I hope he knows that his willingness to contribute is appreciated. Alas, much of the material is off-topic, original synthesis, or not sourced properly. My vision is of an article that talks about Qadi himself, his life, and the story of his designation as a terrorism financier from 2001 until the present. It should summarize the allegations and defenses put forth regarding that designation, but it should not attempt to state original conclusions or give undue weight to either Qadi's accusers or defenders. And it should have only a handful of section headings. Again, this is not intended as anything personal toward those who have contributed, and I hope this cleanup effort is not taken as such (nor as an effort to enforce a particular point of view; I have no ulterior agenda on this subject). alanyst 23:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
In the section about BCCI and Bin Mahfouz, the book False Profits: The Inside Story of BCCI, the World's Most Corrupt Financial Empire is cited for the following statements about Qadi:
There is also the unsourced statement:
Can someone with access to the False Profits book (I'm looking at you, Markshern7) please provide quoted excerpts from that book that support these statements? They must specifically refer to Qadi, not just connections of his. If the last statement should be cited to a different source, please provide an excerpt from that too. Thanks, alanyst 03:23, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I restructured the article into several top-level sections that cover thematic aspects of Qadi's life: his early life and family; his business and charitable ventures; the blacklisting and asset freeze; and the legal actions in various countries. (I'm open to other ideas on the structure but not the one-event-per-section approach of before; this article does not need dozens of sections.) From here I intend to gradually eliminate the level three subheadings by condensing material within them and smoothing the results into a cohesive narrative. The lede also needs to be trimmed down, with some of the most recent additions being moved into the body of the article. alanyst 06:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
I am a member of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi’s international coordinating legal team based in London, Carter-Ruck, and I request certain edits to this Wikipedia page on his behalf. I understand Wikipedia’s policies on edits to BLP pages and in suggesting edits below I will focus on factual inaccuracies and provide supporting independent references for ease of verification.
There are numerous inaccuracies in this article, but of primary concern is the incorrect assertion that Mr Kadi “remains a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” under U.S. law”. Mr Kadi was in fact removed from the US’s terrorism sanctions list in November 2014, following which he is no longer subject to any sanctions / restrictive measures by the US authorities, or by any other authority anywhere in the world. Thus the description of Mr Kadi as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” is incorrect.
I suggest that the wording “However, Qadi remains a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” under US law” is therefore deleted.
To provide proper and fair balance in this respect, the article’s introduction might also clearly state the position regarding Mr Kadi’s de-listing by the US Government’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) in 2014, given that such a substantial part of the article goes on to focus on these restrictive measures. I suggest the following sentence is therefore added at the conclusion of the introductory section: “On November 26th 2014, OFAC removed Qadi from its List of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons (SDN) List”.
The following web pages may be cited in support of this statement and the position regarding Mr Kadi’s de-listing, and there are further references should these be required:
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20141203226308
Additionally, I would request that the image of the World Trade Centre attacks is removed from this BLP page. It is a highly emotive image to be included on a BLP page, and where Mr Kadi has never been tried (let alone convicted) of any terrorism-related offence, and is no longer the subject of any sanctions anywhere in the world, we consider the inclusion of such an image to be inappropriate. Carter-Ruck (on behalf of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi) ( talk) 15:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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Not done Without the sources inline with the text, it's just a mess of puffery. Also, threatening to "take edits live" is not a positive way of getting users to respond. Joseph2302 ( talk) 19:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for implementing the requested edit concerning the presentation of Mr Kadi’s name. In addition to these changes, I also propose the following amendments which I should be grateful if you would review, and implement to the extent that you consider them to be appropriate. Again, please do let me know if you feel that further or better sources are required in relation to any of these aspects, as I may be able to provide these:
Introduction
After “blacklist” and before the sentence beginning “On 26 November 2014” in the penultimate line of the introduction, I suggest adding the following to summarise Mr Kadi’s 2012 de-listing by the EU:
“By Commission Implementing Regulation 933/2012 of October 11, 2012 the EU removed its restrictive measures against Kadi [1]. In its judgment of 18 July 2013 in Kadi II, the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Justice, comprising thirteen judges, confirmed the General Court’s annulment of the EU sanctions imposed upon Kadi in November 2008. The Court ruled it was ‘clear that no information of evidence has been produced to substantiate the allegations of the Muwafaq Foundation’s involvement in international terrorism in the form of links with …Al Qaeda. In such circumstances, the indications of the role and duties of Mr Kadi in relation to that foundation are not such as to justify the adoption, at European Union level, of restrictive measures against him’. [2]”
Early Life and Family
Mr Kadi in fact has six sisters rather than five. I note that the source currently referenced does not support the statement that he has five sisters, and I would refer to page 23 of the statement dated 17 December 2001, filed in connection with his claim against HM Treasury [3].
In the second paragraph, I propose amending “subsequently moved to Chicago” to read “subsequently became an intern at the architectural firm Skidmore Owings and Merrill in Chicago” [4]
Business and nonprofit ventures
Mr Kadi became the vice president of the Jamjoom Group in 1981, not 1980, and this is confirmed in his witness statement of 17 December 2001, filed in connection with his claim against HM Treasury [5]. The sentence beginning “A similarly named organization, Muwaffaq Ltd…” is not properly referenced and I suggest this is removed. Muwaffaq Ltd was in fact a commercial vehicle of Mr Kadi and had nothing to do with the charitable activities of the Muwafaq Foundation. However, I do not have any references to third party sources in relation to this.
I propose that the paragraph beginning “Plaintiffs who have filed a suit against Qadi…”, this sentence is extended to take account of Mr Kadi’s denials of this allegation, so that it continues “…an allegation Mr Kadi has repeatedly denied”. [6]
In the paragraph beginning “In 1994, Qadi helped raise the original…”, I believe it is important for this section to make clear that Mr Kadi no longer had any interest in Ptech, Inc. at the time of its closure. I would suggest that the following is added as a new, penultimate sentence of this paragraph: “Qadi had by then divested himself of all his interests in the company on 4 October 1999” [7]
Terrorism Blacklist - 1991: Loan Linked to Hamas
In this section, I believe any references to Mr Salah should be expanded to make it clear that he was acquitted of terrorism charges by a Federal Jury in a Chicago court on 1 February 2007 [8].
December 2002: Brisard report given to UN Security Council
This section refers to a report submitted by Jean-Charles Brisard to the UN Security Council. For the reasons set out in the link below, I consider that the first source cited under this heading should not be relied upon and I would suggest that this section is therefore deleted completely. However, if you believe it should be retained, I propose that the opening paragraph under this heading is extended to include the following:
“Contrary to claims made by Brisard, the former president of the UN Security Council, Alfonso Valdivieso, later confirmed that Brisard’s report was unsolicited and that he had not been commissioned by the UN to produce a report on terrorism financing. Mr Valdivieso described Mr Brisard’s conduct in asserting otherwise as “totally deceitful and marked by the intention to mislead”.” [9] Carter-Ruck (on behalf of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi) ( talk) 18:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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The above user, Carter-Ruck (on behalf of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi) has made a request at their user talk page for an administrator to "review the suggestions and consider whether these or similar edits might be appropriate". I am posting this comment here, just so all editors reading this talk page are aware of all developments in this discussion. Seagull123 Φ 21:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
I took out the part about the El-Kadi family being early members of the Brotherhood, because the source (Tribune) doesn't seem to mention Yassin and doesn't even say this is the same El-Kadi family. Did I miss something? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 19:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I am a member of Sheikh Yassin Abdullah Kadi’s international coordinating legal team based in London, Carter-Ruck, and I have requested certain edits to this Wikipedia page on his behalf. I refer to my earlier posts on this page of 4 February and 4 March (under a previous username) and via my Talk page on 21 March, 4 April, 20 April and 6 May 2016.
I acknowledge and understand the principles of free speech and the policies of Wikipedia. I am openly amending this BLP page as my edit requests correcting unsupported and/or inadequately referenced statements and allegations have not been taken live. I am mindful of Wikipedia’s policies and would add that I am focussing on preserving neutrality, correcting factual inaccuracies and providing independent references for ease of verification. Dom at Carter-Ruck ( talk) 11:05, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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All of the material that is sourced to court documents should be removed, immediately per WP:BLP if it's contentious. See WP:BLPPRIMARY. Kendall-K1 ( talk) 01:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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