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Are not Yacht rock, as per the inventors of the term and developers of the webseries - please don't revert again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.62.183 ( talk) 19:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
As discussed on the Yacht Rock podcast Yacht or Nyacht Vol. 9, Fleetwood Mac is not Yacht Rock. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.77.153 ( talk) 13:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Does Brandy (You're a Fine Girl) (1972) qualify? Surely it should do. Tangerine Cossack ( talk) 00:07, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
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If a band does a yacht rock song, it doesn't make them a yacht rock band. Just like the Beatles do not suddenly transform into an "experimental avant-garde band" based solely on a select few tracks from The White Album. Here is what the source says:
Artists most commonly thought of in the Yacht Rock era include Michael McDonald, Ambrosia, 10cc, Toto, Kenny Loggins, Boz Scaggs, and Christopher Cross.
These are the only acts in the piece referred to as yacht rock artists. The others who are named—Bread, Dr. Hook, Little River Band, et al—should be removed. --- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 21:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Is there any consensus on how many songs of a specific genre an artist (solo/group) does before they can be called an xxxx-artist? If Foo Bar has a 50-song (singles) discography, how many songs would it take to obtain a genre label? Or perhaps it should be a percentage, like 25%. Took a quick look over at the genre task force but didn't easily find an answer. I would think to be labeled a Yacht rockist that a noticeable portion of their discography should include songs of the genre, not just one or two.-- ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 21:51, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source.(emphasis added) -- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 21:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Should the section about the Yacht Rock Radio SiriusXM channel from the article of the same name of the online series be moved to this one? Bigntall1972 ( talk) 23:12, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Completely agree Jgamble1971 ( talk) 15:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Particularly "What You Won't Do." Textbook example; if we could add this artist to the list, please. 204.78.172.254 ( talk) 14:13, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
There is nothing the New York Observer article that indicates that anyone with actual expertise in the parsing of what qualifies as Yacht Rock-- tongue-in-cheek, seriously musicological or otherwise-- thinks that Yacht Rock is "identified with soft rock." The word "smooth" is used three times in the article, and "soft" is used as a straw-man term that then gets overused as though using it multiple times makes it true. "Smooth" does not nearly mean "soft" in the late-'70s sense. A concession that is made later in the piece, but that needs to be clarified much earlier on the page. Any objections to an overhaul of the nomenclature in this piece? -- NewkirkPlaza ( talk) 04:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
In the Resurgence section: Was this supposed to say Walter Becker? I don't believe Walter Egan had any involvement with Steely Dan at all.
West Coast sound redirects here. Wouldn't it be better the other way round ? -- Beardo ( talk) 04:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Having a definitive list of artists has been a very valuable feature of this article. WP:MOS regulates lists, but does not disallow them. I feel it should be either restored or spun off into a separate article, such as this one for one-hit wonders. Thoughts? - JGabbard ( talk) 18:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we should continue to use this source. While I think this is probably an acceptable source for topics related to Tennessee, it's not a music publication, and the article is not written with any indication of depth, or sophistication, or expertise in the topic. It feels like a slapped-together buzz list to draw attention to the site, rather than something genuinely informational in intention. Furthermore, it includes 10cc as a canonical band, and I don't really see 10cc mentioned much at all in music journalism on the subject. (The Yacht Rock creators rejected 10cc three times as "nyacht rock".) The others in the Williamsonsource article are all pretty uncontroversial and widely mentioned in better publications. Chubbles ( talk) 14:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I know people are against making a "full list", but what about the songs explicitly mentioned in the videos?
-- 2A02:8109:9AC0:1E40:F051:35DE:B40A:C2A7 ( talk) 22:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Even though Yacht Rock's definition on Wikipedia is characterized as a broad genre, the largest of the Facebook groups have narrowed the definition dramatically. If it doesn't fit the admins description perfectly, the posts are removed. Deviations from their opinions - including members pointing out how certain songs could be considered part of the genre - are not allowed and removed without any explanation. They forget that the term and description of Yacht Rock started as satire. 2600:1700:8E90:3EC0:7C53:6F01:2E34:F579 ( talk) 00:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
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They are not sure of the definition of the neologism Yacht rock. They say it's a subset of soft rock. How can it be a subset of it if this term never existed in the 70s 80's 90's (in the period the songs were created)? Soft rock was a subset of rock created in order to classify these songs. Another thing that they say about the yacht rock neologism is that it is a broad category. I think this one is a better definition as the list of yacht rock neologism contains artist from folk rock, pop, disco rnb, country and so on. In my opinion it is broader than Rock itself. We should just rename Rock as Yacht just so new generations can have something they can call their own. Theresalreadyanameforthat ( talk) 23:23, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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"Contemporaneously, the term "yacht rock" didn't exist with the music the term describes, from about 1975 to 1984."
I'd fix it if I knew what the heck it's trying to say. Phiwum ( talk) 03:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
When I was young, these music weren't called yacht rock. I remember that in the 80s and 90s Radio DJs and rock magazines referred to these songs either as soft rock, light rock or pop rock. Yacht rock is just renaming something that already exist. This sounds like something out of Orwell's 1984 where INGSOC people were renaming things.
Not true. All the artists pertaining to soft rock are in the yacht rock neologism list. Other pertains to folk rock, soul, rnb or disco. I don't think you understand what neologism is. For instance, take hard rock. A guy out of nowhere in 2023 renames this musical genre as motorcycle rock or Harley Davidson rock. Theresalreadyanameforthat ( talk) 12:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't think the music industry is running with this term. What I've seen mostly is journalists using this term who are perhaps fan of the series or are connected to the creators. I don't have anything against the series. What I don't agree with is taking music from different styles and trying to make a new musical genre with songs that existed 30-40 years ago that have already been classified into existing musical genre. They are coming up with a new one now Yacht Soul. What's next? Yacht rap, Yacht pop, Yacht folk, Yacht country, Yacht Funk, Yacht disco, Yacht blues, Yacht jazz, Yacht wave and Yacht punk.I think Fred Arminsen will like the last one. Theresalreadyanameforthat ( talk) 22:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
The article describes the popularity of yacht rock as reflective of a regressive Reagan-era American society and "about the garden of nightmares America had become.
Only problem is that the music had nothing to do with that, as it began in 1975 and ended in 1984, and most, if not all of the musicians and singers had nothing whatsoever to do with Reagan or conservatives, with some of the most popular songs of this era being recorded (not released) three years before Reagan took office. Yet another example of a Wikipedia anachronism. This might be the most inaccurate article on this site. Viriditas ( talk) 21:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Are not Yacht rock, as per the inventors of the term and developers of the webseries - please don't revert again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.62.183 ( talk) 19:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
As discussed on the Yacht Rock podcast Yacht or Nyacht Vol. 9, Fleetwood Mac is not Yacht Rock. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.77.153 ( talk) 13:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Does Brandy (You're a Fine Girl) (1972) qualify? Surely it should do. Tangerine Cossack ( talk) 00:07, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
WP:STICKTOSOURCE: Source material should be carefully summarized or rephrased without changing its meaning or implication. Take care not to go beyond what is expressed in the sources, or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context. In short, stick to the sources.
If a band does a yacht rock song, it doesn't make them a yacht rock band. Just like the Beatles do not suddenly transform into an "experimental avant-garde band" based solely on a select few tracks from The White Album. Here is what the source says:
Artists most commonly thought of in the Yacht Rock era include Michael McDonald, Ambrosia, 10cc, Toto, Kenny Loggins, Boz Scaggs, and Christopher Cross.
These are the only acts in the piece referred to as yacht rock artists. The others who are named—Bread, Dr. Hook, Little River Band, et al—should be removed. --- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 21:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Is there any consensus on how many songs of a specific genre an artist (solo/group) does before they can be called an xxxx-artist? If Foo Bar has a 50-song (singles) discography, how many songs would it take to obtain a genre label? Or perhaps it should be a percentage, like 25%. Took a quick look over at the genre task force but didn't easily find an answer. I would think to be labeled a Yacht rockist that a noticeable portion of their discography should include songs of the genre, not just one or two.-- ☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 21:51, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source.(emphasis added) -- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 21:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Should the section about the Yacht Rock Radio SiriusXM channel from the article of the same name of the online series be moved to this one? Bigntall1972 ( talk) 23:12, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Completely agree Jgamble1971 ( talk) 15:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Particularly "What You Won't Do." Textbook example; if we could add this artist to the list, please. 204.78.172.254 ( talk) 14:13, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
There is nothing the New York Observer article that indicates that anyone with actual expertise in the parsing of what qualifies as Yacht Rock-- tongue-in-cheek, seriously musicological or otherwise-- thinks that Yacht Rock is "identified with soft rock." The word "smooth" is used three times in the article, and "soft" is used as a straw-man term that then gets overused as though using it multiple times makes it true. "Smooth" does not nearly mean "soft" in the late-'70s sense. A concession that is made later in the piece, but that needs to be clarified much earlier on the page. Any objections to an overhaul of the nomenclature in this piece? -- NewkirkPlaza ( talk) 04:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
In the Resurgence section: Was this supposed to say Walter Becker? I don't believe Walter Egan had any involvement with Steely Dan at all.
West Coast sound redirects here. Wouldn't it be better the other way round ? -- Beardo ( talk) 04:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Having a definitive list of artists has been a very valuable feature of this article. WP:MOS regulates lists, but does not disallow them. I feel it should be either restored or spun off into a separate article, such as this one for one-hit wonders. Thoughts? - JGabbard ( talk) 18:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we should continue to use this source. While I think this is probably an acceptable source for topics related to Tennessee, it's not a music publication, and the article is not written with any indication of depth, or sophistication, or expertise in the topic. It feels like a slapped-together buzz list to draw attention to the site, rather than something genuinely informational in intention. Furthermore, it includes 10cc as a canonical band, and I don't really see 10cc mentioned much at all in music journalism on the subject. (The Yacht Rock creators rejected 10cc three times as "nyacht rock".) The others in the Williamsonsource article are all pretty uncontroversial and widely mentioned in better publications. Chubbles ( talk) 14:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I know people are against making a "full list", but what about the songs explicitly mentioned in the videos?
-- 2A02:8109:9AC0:1E40:F051:35DE:B40A:C2A7 ( talk) 22:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Even though Yacht Rock's definition on Wikipedia is characterized as a broad genre, the largest of the Facebook groups have narrowed the definition dramatically. If it doesn't fit the admins description perfectly, the posts are removed. Deviations from their opinions - including members pointing out how certain songs could be considered part of the genre - are not allowed and removed without any explanation. They forget that the term and description of Yacht Rock started as satire. 2600:1700:8E90:3EC0:7C53:6F01:2E34:F579 ( talk) 00:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
References
They are not sure of the definition of the neologism Yacht rock. They say it's a subset of soft rock. How can it be a subset of it if this term never existed in the 70s 80's 90's (in the period the songs were created)? Soft rock was a subset of rock created in order to classify these songs. Another thing that they say about the yacht rock neologism is that it is a broad category. I think this one is a better definition as the list of yacht rock neologism contains artist from folk rock, pop, disco rnb, country and so on. In my opinion it is broader than Rock itself. We should just rename Rock as Yacht just so new generations can have something they can call their own. Theresalreadyanameforthat ( talk) 23:23, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 September 2022 and 21 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Taekimbuedu (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Taekimbuedu ( talk) 14:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
"Contemporaneously, the term "yacht rock" didn't exist with the music the term describes, from about 1975 to 1984."
I'd fix it if I knew what the heck it's trying to say. Phiwum ( talk) 03:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
When I was young, these music weren't called yacht rock. I remember that in the 80s and 90s Radio DJs and rock magazines referred to these songs either as soft rock, light rock or pop rock. Yacht rock is just renaming something that already exist. This sounds like something out of Orwell's 1984 where INGSOC people were renaming things.
Not true. All the artists pertaining to soft rock are in the yacht rock neologism list. Other pertains to folk rock, soul, rnb or disco. I don't think you understand what neologism is. For instance, take hard rock. A guy out of nowhere in 2023 renames this musical genre as motorcycle rock or Harley Davidson rock. Theresalreadyanameforthat ( talk) 12:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't think the music industry is running with this term. What I've seen mostly is journalists using this term who are perhaps fan of the series or are connected to the creators. I don't have anything against the series. What I don't agree with is taking music from different styles and trying to make a new musical genre with songs that existed 30-40 years ago that have already been classified into existing musical genre. They are coming up with a new one now Yacht Soul. What's next? Yacht rap, Yacht pop, Yacht folk, Yacht country, Yacht Funk, Yacht disco, Yacht blues, Yacht jazz, Yacht wave and Yacht punk.I think Fred Arminsen will like the last one. Theresalreadyanameforthat ( talk) 22:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
The article describes the popularity of yacht rock as reflective of a regressive Reagan-era American society and "about the garden of nightmares America had become.
Only problem is that the music had nothing to do with that, as it began in 1975 and ended in 1984, and most, if not all of the musicians and singers had nothing whatsoever to do with Reagan or conservatives, with some of the most popular songs of this era being recorded (not released) three years before Reagan took office. Yet another example of a Wikipedia anachronism. This might be the most inaccurate article on this site. Viriditas ( talk) 21:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)