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The last sentence of the first section reads "Prior to this, BAT exported seed from South America, genetically modified the seed, re-imported and grew the modified plant[1], despite this being illegal at the time.[5]" One exports to and imports from, but I am hesitant to modify as it isn't clear to me from the reference text which way the seeds were actually going. The best I can figure here is that the process was as follows:
Is that correct? Risker ( talk) 12:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Only #2 was illegal at the time, although #3 might be viewed as immoral and contradicts the tobacco execs testimony to congress about their business practices. Thatcher 19:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I note a minor factual error in the first sentence under the paragraph "Development and Use", which states that "Y1 was developed by tobacco plant researcher James Chaplin,[3] working under Dr. Jeffrey Wigand[4] for Brown & Williamson (then a subsidiary of British American Tobacco) in the late 1970s." According to the Wikipedia article on Jeffrey Wigand, Dr. Wigand did not start working with B&W until January 1989, so any work on Y1 prior to 1989 would not have been done under him.
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New source, via lexis/nexis. The Observer 22 Feb 1998, "Tobacco giant bred high-nicotine crop in attempt to keep smokers hooked: Peter Pringle follows a trail that leads from the fields of North Carolina to city streets" by Peter Pringle. Notes:
Article needs clean-up and clarification based on this I think. Thatcher 19:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying the timeline and steps, Thatcher; what you were able to find on Lexis/Nexis makes a lot more sense. Kudos to you and Neil for an impressive impromptu collaboration to take this article from pretty poor to surprisingly good in only a few hours. By the time you're done, it may well be ready for a GA nomination. (Yes, I know it's a short article, but even still...) -- Risker ( talk) 00:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
FWIW, I think your hook is better, but then the content has changed an awful lot in the intervening hours so that shouldn't be a surprise. Risker ( talk) 00:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I saw one document on one of the anti-tobacco web sites Neil linked to that called Y-1 "Fumo louco" or crazy tobacco by the Brazilian farmers, allegedly because you could get a buzz on the smell in the drying shed. Just to note that I found some AP articles by Todd Lewan that discuss this, including " Crazy Tobacco Changes Brazil Town" Dec 20, 1997. For one thing, the article does not mention the buzz, it says its called crazy tobacco because its bigger, taller and matures faster. Farmers who planned their lives (holidays, weddings etc) around the tobacco growing season suddenly found the new stuff grew so fast that it threw off their plans. The article also does not name Y1 specifically and says, Some of these lines were hard to cure, hard to cultivate. They were wild tobaccos. Some were especially high in nicotine. so it sounds like maybe this area is used for many test crops of which Y-1 was probably one. So I'm not confident in including that little tidbit at this time. Thatcher 01:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Thatcher 01:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is linked to in very few others. I went looking and was surprised to see how poor the articles on tobacco litigation are. See for example Tobacco litigation and FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.. That could be someone's next project. (Probably not mine, though, its too sprawling. I like compact things I can hammer out in a couple of days. Thatcher 01:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
While starting work on an article on the DNA Plant Technology Corp ( User:Neil/DNAP), I found a lot of stuff - searching for "Y-1" rather than Y1 yields a bonanza: [1], [2]. Neıl 龱 14:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.85.16.5 ( talk) 21:38, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
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The last sentence of the first section reads "Prior to this, BAT exported seed from South America, genetically modified the seed, re-imported and grew the modified plant[1], despite this being illegal at the time.[5]" One exports to and imports from, but I am hesitant to modify as it isn't clear to me from the reference text which way the seeds were actually going. The best I can figure here is that the process was as follows:
Is that correct? Risker ( talk) 12:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Only #2 was illegal at the time, although #3 might be viewed as immoral and contradicts the tobacco execs testimony to congress about their business practices. Thatcher 19:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I note a minor factual error in the first sentence under the paragraph "Development and Use", which states that "Y1 was developed by tobacco plant researcher James Chaplin,[3] working under Dr. Jeffrey Wigand[4] for Brown & Williamson (then a subsidiary of British American Tobacco) in the late 1970s." According to the Wikipedia article on Jeffrey Wigand, Dr. Wigand did not start working with B&W until January 1989, so any work on Y1 prior to 1989 would not have been done under him.
194.46.228.30 (
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13:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
New source, via lexis/nexis. The Observer 22 Feb 1998, "Tobacco giant bred high-nicotine crop in attempt to keep smokers hooked: Peter Pringle follows a trail that leads from the fields of North Carolina to city streets" by Peter Pringle. Notes:
Article needs clean-up and clarification based on this I think. Thatcher 19:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying the timeline and steps, Thatcher; what you were able to find on Lexis/Nexis makes a lot more sense. Kudos to you and Neil for an impressive impromptu collaboration to take this article from pretty poor to surprisingly good in only a few hours. By the time you're done, it may well be ready for a GA nomination. (Yes, I know it's a short article, but even still...) -- Risker ( talk) 00:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
FWIW, I think your hook is better, but then the content has changed an awful lot in the intervening hours so that shouldn't be a surprise. Risker ( talk) 00:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I saw one document on one of the anti-tobacco web sites Neil linked to that called Y-1 "Fumo louco" or crazy tobacco by the Brazilian farmers, allegedly because you could get a buzz on the smell in the drying shed. Just to note that I found some AP articles by Todd Lewan that discuss this, including " Crazy Tobacco Changes Brazil Town" Dec 20, 1997. For one thing, the article does not mention the buzz, it says its called crazy tobacco because its bigger, taller and matures faster. Farmers who planned their lives (holidays, weddings etc) around the tobacco growing season suddenly found the new stuff grew so fast that it threw off their plans. The article also does not name Y1 specifically and says, Some of these lines were hard to cure, hard to cultivate. They were wild tobaccos. Some were especially high in nicotine. so it sounds like maybe this area is used for many test crops of which Y-1 was probably one. So I'm not confident in including that little tidbit at this time. Thatcher 01:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Thatcher 01:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is linked to in very few others. I went looking and was surprised to see how poor the articles on tobacco litigation are. See for example Tobacco litigation and FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.. That could be someone's next project. (Probably not mine, though, its too sprawling. I like compact things I can hammer out in a couple of days. Thatcher 01:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
While starting work on an article on the DNA Plant Technology Corp ( User:Neil/DNAP), I found a lot of stuff - searching for "Y-1" rather than Y1 yields a bonanza: [1], [2]. Neıl 龱 14:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.85.16.5 ( talk) 21:38, 6 January 2014 (UTC)