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Philg88 ( talk) 10:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
in Wade-Giles Böri ( talk) 08:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Cold Season, would you please explain the reason for removing this article's only illustration, the "Four Barbarians" map "File:Tianxia en-zh-hans.svg"? Sorry, but I don't understand the edit summaries "image, very faulty simplified OR" and "a faulty simplified image based on nothing"? Thanks, Keahapana ( talk) 22:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for being so considerate and reasonable (<grin>you know how some Wikipedians can be). We can request a new image here at WP:GL/MAP, but I would like to have your input first. Is the Japanese "中華と四夷" map is suitable as a basic model? We both think the bullseye imperial circles are unnecessary. Compare these maps.
Should the map give romanization and characters (Beidi 北狄) or add translations (Beidi 北狄 "Northern Barbarians")? Would it be preferable to give translations in the caption? Any other ideas to improve the new-and-improved Siyi map? Best wishes, Keahapana ( talk) 01:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cold Season, I've reverted the old file and posted this GL/M request for a new map. Another question: What's wrong with the {{Chinese text tag? Has it been degraded? Keahapana ( talk) 23:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi all, I've picked up the map request from GL/M following a message from
Keahapana . Let me get my head round the various comments here and I will come up with a shiny new SVG map in the next few days. Cheers
► Philg88 ◄
talk 11:52, 22 August 2013
Draft version of new map uploaded. All comments welcome!
► Philg88 ◄
talk
17:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Philg88. This map is a great improvement. Here are two suggestions. Please add Huaxia (華夏) in the center, and since these terms are limited to historical usages, change the simplified 东 and 蛮 characters to traditional 東 and 蠻. Keahapana ( talk) 22:55, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Done No problem.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
07:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I've moved the labels for the four groups are as far out as they can go. Are you suggesting that the map should cover more territory? I've also changed "of" to "surrounding" and added Huaxia.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
07:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
On reflection adding more territory to the map will cause scale problems. Instead I've removed the title and moved Beidi NE away from the Yellow River.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
09:35, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the book info Zanhe, looks good (You just cost me 22 quid odd for the ebook :)). Meanwhile, back at the map. I think that the Nanman should stay since there was a whole bunch of Yue derived "barbarians" in the south. I'm happy to add Chu around Hubei but that goes against the 四夷 model.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
16:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Chinese sources described them as Caucasoid people. Dersere ( talk) 03:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC) The red hair and green eyes supports that view, maybe call them Indo-European. I wonder if the term "rong" might be related to the PIE root of "wrong", somehow using these hairy, tatooed strangers' own language to describe them as "turners" ("Wrong" on etymonline.com: "late Old English, "twisted, crooked, wry," from Old Norse rangr, earlier *wrangr "crooked, wry, wrong," from Proto-Germanic *wrang- (cognates: Danish vrang "crooked, wrong," Middle Dutch wranc, Dutch wrang "sour, bitter," literally "that which distorts the mouth"), from PIE *wrengh-, variant of *wergh- "to turn"), to signify either cultural deviance or physical interloping. Albeit they may have been there first. Or perhaps the "Caucasoids" were describing the proto-Chinese as divergent. I'm reading Bent Hansen's theory of the Asian roots of Europeans at dandabat.dk. His photos of entwined snake-lion designs from northwestern European and Chinese archeological sites are especially convincing about such a common heritage. Chrisrushlau ( talk) 16:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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Philg88 ( talk) 10:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
in Wade-Giles Böri ( talk) 08:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Cold Season, would you please explain the reason for removing this article's only illustration, the "Four Barbarians" map "File:Tianxia en-zh-hans.svg"? Sorry, but I don't understand the edit summaries "image, very faulty simplified OR" and "a faulty simplified image based on nothing"? Thanks, Keahapana ( talk) 22:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for being so considerate and reasonable (<grin>you know how some Wikipedians can be). We can request a new image here at WP:GL/MAP, but I would like to have your input first. Is the Japanese "中華と四夷" map is suitable as a basic model? We both think the bullseye imperial circles are unnecessary. Compare these maps.
Should the map give romanization and characters (Beidi 北狄) or add translations (Beidi 北狄 "Northern Barbarians")? Would it be preferable to give translations in the caption? Any other ideas to improve the new-and-improved Siyi map? Best wishes, Keahapana ( talk) 01:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cold Season, I've reverted the old file and posted this GL/M request for a new map. Another question: What's wrong with the {{Chinese text tag? Has it been degraded? Keahapana ( talk) 23:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi all, I've picked up the map request from GL/M following a message from
Keahapana . Let me get my head round the various comments here and I will come up with a shiny new SVG map in the next few days. Cheers
► Philg88 ◄
talk 11:52, 22 August 2013
Draft version of new map uploaded. All comments welcome!
► Philg88 ◄
talk
17:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Philg88. This map is a great improvement. Here are two suggestions. Please add Huaxia (華夏) in the center, and since these terms are limited to historical usages, change the simplified 东 and 蛮 characters to traditional 東 and 蠻. Keahapana ( talk) 22:55, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Done No problem.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
07:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I've moved the labels for the four groups are as far out as they can go. Are you suggesting that the map should cover more territory? I've also changed "of" to "surrounding" and added Huaxia.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
07:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
On reflection adding more territory to the map will cause scale problems. Instead I've removed the title and moved Beidi NE away from the Yellow River.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
09:35, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the book info Zanhe, looks good (You just cost me 22 quid odd for the ebook :)). Meanwhile, back at the map. I think that the Nanman should stay since there was a whole bunch of Yue derived "barbarians" in the south. I'm happy to add Chu around Hubei but that goes against the 四夷 model.
► Philg88 ◄
talk
16:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Chinese sources described them as Caucasoid people. Dersere ( talk) 03:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC) The red hair and green eyes supports that view, maybe call them Indo-European. I wonder if the term "rong" might be related to the PIE root of "wrong", somehow using these hairy, tatooed strangers' own language to describe them as "turners" ("Wrong" on etymonline.com: "late Old English, "twisted, crooked, wry," from Old Norse rangr, earlier *wrangr "crooked, wry, wrong," from Proto-Germanic *wrang- (cognates: Danish vrang "crooked, wrong," Middle Dutch wranc, Dutch wrang "sour, bitter," literally "that which distorts the mouth"), from PIE *wrengh-, variant of *wergh- "to turn"), to signify either cultural deviance or physical interloping. Albeit they may have been there first. Or perhaps the "Caucasoids" were describing the proto-Chinese as divergent. I'm reading Bent Hansen's theory of the Asian roots of Europeans at dandabat.dk. His photos of entwined snake-lion designs from northwestern European and Chinese archeological sites are especially convincing about such a common heritage. Chrisrushlau ( talk) 16:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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