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There has been given little evidence to these made up places. The only evidence comes from adrian zenz who only asked 8 people if 1 million people were detaines in these made up places. How do you get 1 million from only 8 people. The Chinese government white paper also never said 1 million people were detained. And those satellite images are also very vague. You show a satellite image of a building and automatically call it a camp? Some of those satellite images labeled a children's kindergarten and a apartment complex as a concentration camp. Why do they talk about boarding schools as if they only exist in Xinjiang? Do they not know millions of migrant workers children in East China also have to go to boarding schools because they are left unattended at whome when there patents go to work in the city? And do they only think that the vocational schools only exist in Xinjiang too? Chinese from every part of the country have to go to these schools if they can not pass the Gaokao exam or they can not attend higher education. And those vocational schools also have gates and dormitories and they also have to stay there for months so they can learn skills and work in skilled jobs. 97.124.206.4 ( talk) 19:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
[1] AAAAA143222 ( talk) 22:22, 12 May 2022 (UTC)The following table presents the data we have compiled based on interviews with eight ethnic Uyghurs. Their families reside in eight different villages in counties in the Kashgar Prefecture. According to the interviewees, each village has a population of between roughly 1,500 and 3,000, and the number of individuals taken into re-education detention camps from each village ranged from approximately 200 to 500 between mid-2017 to mid-2018.
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In September 2020, the [[Muhyiddin Yassin|Muhyiddin]] government confirmed that it would not extradite ethnic Uyghurs to China if Beijing requests it, continuing the policy set by the [[Mahathir Mohamad|Mahathir]] administration. Although it is the government of Malaysia's stance not to get involved in Chinese internal affairs, it stated that the oppression of Uyghurs in the country could not be denied. [[Mohd Redzuan Md Yusof]], minister in the Prime Minister's Department also stated that his government would grant free passage to those refugees who wished to settle in a third country.
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In the section about camp detainees, change "Russian-American Gene Bunin created the Xinjiang Victims Database to collect public testimonies on people detained in the camps, and its content had been referenced in articles by Al Jazeera, RFA, Foreign Policy, the Uyghur Human Rights Project, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch." to "Russian-American Gene Bunin created the Xinjiang Victims Database to collect public testimonies on people detained in the camps." with citations to those entities at the end of the sentence.
There is no need to appeal to authority and mention who has ever referenced the database. In other words, it is more encyclopedic to reference them instead of saying they reference it. 195.23.45.50 ( talk) 05:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Camp detainees section:
"The mass internment of Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in the camps has become largest-scale arbitrary detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II."
Should be:
"has become THE largest-scale..."
Thank you! 2A02:C7E:3188:4C00:2053:4FFE:A58F:AC90 ( talk) 09:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm not going to attempt to be profound or clever as to why there shouldn't be any citations to him. Instead, I will quote his own book that he co-wrote, Worthy to Escape:
"At present, therefore, the stage is fully set for the Antichrist to arise. Now, there is just one thing missing. Revelation 13 clearly teaches that the earth will willingly worship and submit to the Antichrist. But how is it that the world will actually surrender all power and control to one person or organization? Why would the nations and their citizens empower such a person as the Antichrist? After all, don’t we live in a world that worships individual freedom and despises any form of tyranny? To answer these questions it is important to understand that the New World Order that emerged after the end of World War II is more driven by economic and financial power than by military might. In fact, money increasingly determines military power, because modern warfare depends far more on expensive weapons technology than on large numbers of soldiers. Much of the United States’s huge budget deficit is not just due to Obama’s financial rescue efforts but is also a consequence of the costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The nation’s financial weaknesses are directly threatening its current and future military capabilities. In our time, world domination is about gaining control over the world’s economic and financial affairs. Increasingly, the one in charge is not he who holds the guns in his hands but he who finances their technological development, acquisition, and deployment. Consequently, it is very likely that the rise of the Antichrist will be facilitated by a major global financial meltdown that will significantly alter the global balance of power and create the need for a “savior” to step on the scene. This will be the Antichrist’s moment: he will promise to protect the world’s middle classes’ affluent lifestyles, and in exchange for this, the world will relinquish significant control over their affairs to him"
Now, you will likely object that other sources cite him, some of which you may consider reliable. To those who do, I think that indicates that their editorial standards are sliding more than anything else. 2600:100F:B11F:60DF:6005:EF28:4E5C:3FA3 ( talk) 04:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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There has been given little evidence to these made up places. The only evidence comes from adrian zenz who only asked 8 people if 1 million people were detaines in these made up places. How do you get 1 million from only 8 people. The Chinese government white paper also never said 1 million people were detained. And those satellite images are also very vague. You show a satellite image of a building and automatically call it a camp? Some of those satellite images labeled a children's kindergarten and a apartment complex as a concentration camp. Why do they talk about boarding schools as if they only exist in Xinjiang? Do they not know millions of migrant workers children in East China also have to go to boarding schools because they are left unattended at whome when there patents go to work in the city? And do they only think that the vocational schools only exist in Xinjiang too? Chinese from every part of the country have to go to these schools if they can not pass the Gaokao exam or they can not attend higher education. And those vocational schools also have gates and dormitories and they also have to stay there for months so they can learn skills and work in skilled jobs. 97.124.206.4 ( talk) 19:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
[1] AAAAA143222 ( talk) 22:22, 12 May 2022 (UTC)The following table presents the data we have compiled based on interviews with eight ethnic Uyghurs. Their families reside in eight different villages in counties in the Kashgar Prefecture. According to the interviewees, each village has a population of between roughly 1,500 and 3,000, and the number of individuals taken into re-education detention camps from each village ranged from approximately 200 to 500 between mid-2017 to mid-2018.
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In September 2020, the [[Muhyiddin Yassin|Muhyiddin]] government confirmed that it would not extradite ethnic Uyghurs to China if Beijing requests it, continuing the policy set by the [[Mahathir Mohamad|Mahathir]] administration. Although it is the government of Malaysia's stance not to get involved in Chinese internal affairs, it stated that the oppression of Uyghurs in the country could not be denied. [[Mohd Redzuan Md Yusof]], minister in the Prime Minister's Department also stated that his government would grant free passage to those refugees who wished to settle in a third country.
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2406:3003:2077:1E60:D760:F1FB:9E28:69EF ( talk) 23:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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In the section about camp detainees, change "Russian-American Gene Bunin created the Xinjiang Victims Database to collect public testimonies on people detained in the camps, and its content had been referenced in articles by Al Jazeera, RFA, Foreign Policy, the Uyghur Human Rights Project, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch." to "Russian-American Gene Bunin created the Xinjiang Victims Database to collect public testimonies on people detained in the camps." with citations to those entities at the end of the sentence.
There is no need to appeal to authority and mention who has ever referenced the database. In other words, it is more encyclopedic to reference them instead of saying they reference it. 195.23.45.50 ( talk) 05:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Camp detainees section:
"The mass internment of Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in the camps has become largest-scale arbitrary detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II."
Should be:
"has become THE largest-scale..."
Thank you! 2A02:C7E:3188:4C00:2053:4FFE:A58F:AC90 ( talk) 09:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm not going to attempt to be profound or clever as to why there shouldn't be any citations to him. Instead, I will quote his own book that he co-wrote, Worthy to Escape:
"At present, therefore, the stage is fully set for the Antichrist to arise. Now, there is just one thing missing. Revelation 13 clearly teaches that the earth will willingly worship and submit to the Antichrist. But how is it that the world will actually surrender all power and control to one person or organization? Why would the nations and their citizens empower such a person as the Antichrist? After all, don’t we live in a world that worships individual freedom and despises any form of tyranny? To answer these questions it is important to understand that the New World Order that emerged after the end of World War II is more driven by economic and financial power than by military might. In fact, money increasingly determines military power, because modern warfare depends far more on expensive weapons technology than on large numbers of soldiers. Much of the United States’s huge budget deficit is not just due to Obama’s financial rescue efforts but is also a consequence of the costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The nation’s financial weaknesses are directly threatening its current and future military capabilities. In our time, world domination is about gaining control over the world’s economic and financial affairs. Increasingly, the one in charge is not he who holds the guns in his hands but he who finances their technological development, acquisition, and deployment. Consequently, it is very likely that the rise of the Antichrist will be facilitated by a major global financial meltdown that will significantly alter the global balance of power and create the need for a “savior” to step on the scene. This will be the Antichrist’s moment: he will promise to protect the world’s middle classes’ affluent lifestyles, and in exchange for this, the world will relinquish significant control over their affairs to him"
Now, you will likely object that other sources cite him, some of which you may consider reliable. To those who do, I think that indicates that their editorial standards are sliding more than anything else. 2600:100F:B11F:60DF:6005:EF28:4E5C:3FA3 ( talk) 04:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)