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It took me 2½ hours to get the sample work. First of all: XeTeX is a package addon that allows the text author to use Unicode UTF-8 encoding for what appears to be jolly good old TeX, or on the user option jolly good old LaTeX. There are two different commands, one xetex
and the other xelatex
. I would guess that xetex and xelatex are preprocessors before tex and latex, but there's something with the fonts. It appears that xetex uses user installed local fonts of vector type, and it probably does so on the run, tweaking the behavior of tex/latex to accept the installed local vector fonts. Iff this is the case, XeTeX is phantastiqual indeed! xelatex
is the command to use for the code.
Now, that means that the article text sample <PROFANITY/>s! Because it requires both Lucida Sans Unicode and Hoefler Text Italic, and those are fonts that only exists in evil proprietary operating systems. Said: Rursus ( ☻) 13:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Russian (and probably Greek too) text in the example is not just meaningless, but grammatically incorrect. This is quite distracting, I think it should be replaced by something meaningful as in the most places in Wikipedia. Virage ( talk) 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Отче нашъ, Иже еси на небесѣхъ! да святится имя Твое; да пріидетъ Царствіе Твое; да будетъ воля Твоя, яко на небеси, и на земли; хлѣбъ нашъ насущный даждь намъ днесь; и остави намъ долги наша, якоже и мы оставляемъ должникомъ нашимъ; и не введи насъ во искушеніе, но избави насъ отъ лукаваго. Яко Твое есть царство, и сила, и слава во вѣки, аминь.
-- Virage ( talk) 05:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
W-495 ( talk) 03:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
From the edit history:
I have reverted your reversion, User:Pohta ce-am pohtit, because your source once again provides absolutely no evidence for the use of uvular fricative and provides absolutely no evidence that the a fricative is mandatory. In fact, by saying "zee-TeX" i.e. providing a pronounciation respelling of only half the word, and using the standard TeX casing, he's saying "pronounce the second syllable however you'd normally pronounce "TeX". (In case there's any ambiguity, it's transparently obvious that this isn't a SAMPA transcription, because otherwise it would correspond to /zee.θeχ/ and no-one's arguing that.)
In addition, it is clear Jonathan Kew doesn't consider his pronunciation normative; he says "I don't have a strong opinion".
For third parties, the page is [1] and the relevant section is:
Please do not change the text again unless you can provide a relevant source. However, given Jonathan Kew's own words—in a source you've provided—I'm sure it will be very difficult to provide one. — Felix the Cassowary 13:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Since you appear to be an expert on phonetics, perhaps you can clear a couple of points:
Thanks, Pcap ping 15:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Possibly we should create a wiki page for comparison TeX engines: plain TeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX and others. The differences between these engines are not clear in any of wikipedia articles of XeTeX, LuaTeX and so. What do you think?
Yes please do i came here looking for just that. That would be very valuable. Maybe this link helps in the process: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/36/differences-between-luatex-context-and-xetex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.147.242.202 ( talk) 17:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
I suggest we include a piece of mathematical notation in the example. It would also be great to use some other fonts that are more readily available on people's computers; I for one cannot render the example. (And someone above, who speaks Russian, presented a better Russian text.) — Bromskloss ( talk) 15:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Getting documentation on pure XeTeX from the net is a real pain due to many peoples having no idea XeTeX and XeLaTeX are two distinct things (and that also works for TeX and LaTeX and all the family), namely XeTeX is the base language, XeLaTeX and extension of it through macros: both have different, if related, syntaxes and possibilities. That would be helpful if the Wikipedia didn't help spreading the confusion, really. So the "XeTeX" example beginning with the command "\documentclass" and processed by the command "xelatex"? No, good sirs, I don't think so... 88.169.169.248 ( talk) 12:11, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Hear! Hear! the example is really wrong, esp w/rt font selection (which is why I am here in the first place). It is a LaTeX example not a TeX example. Can this get fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.225.198 ( talk) 11:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
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It took me 2½ hours to get the sample work. First of all: XeTeX is a package addon that allows the text author to use Unicode UTF-8 encoding for what appears to be jolly good old TeX, or on the user option jolly good old LaTeX. There are two different commands, one xetex
and the other xelatex
. I would guess that xetex and xelatex are preprocessors before tex and latex, but there's something with the fonts. It appears that xetex uses user installed local fonts of vector type, and it probably does so on the run, tweaking the behavior of tex/latex to accept the installed local vector fonts. Iff this is the case, XeTeX is phantastiqual indeed! xelatex
is the command to use for the code.
Now, that means that the article text sample <PROFANITY/>s! Because it requires both Lucida Sans Unicode and Hoefler Text Italic, and those are fonts that only exists in evil proprietary operating systems. Said: Rursus ( ☻) 13:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Russian (and probably Greek too) text in the example is not just meaningless, but grammatically incorrect. This is quite distracting, I think it should be replaced by something meaningful as in the most places in Wikipedia. Virage ( talk) 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Отче нашъ, Иже еси на небесѣхъ! да святится имя Твое; да пріидетъ Царствіе Твое; да будетъ воля Твоя, яко на небеси, и на земли; хлѣбъ нашъ насущный даждь намъ днесь; и остави намъ долги наша, якоже и мы оставляемъ должникомъ нашимъ; и не введи насъ во искушеніе, но избави насъ отъ лукаваго. Яко Твое есть царство, и сила, и слава во вѣки, аминь.
-- Virage ( talk) 05:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
W-495 ( talk) 03:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
From the edit history:
I have reverted your reversion, User:Pohta ce-am pohtit, because your source once again provides absolutely no evidence for the use of uvular fricative and provides absolutely no evidence that the a fricative is mandatory. In fact, by saying "zee-TeX" i.e. providing a pronounciation respelling of only half the word, and using the standard TeX casing, he's saying "pronounce the second syllable however you'd normally pronounce "TeX". (In case there's any ambiguity, it's transparently obvious that this isn't a SAMPA transcription, because otherwise it would correspond to /zee.θeχ/ and no-one's arguing that.)
In addition, it is clear Jonathan Kew doesn't consider his pronunciation normative; he says "I don't have a strong opinion".
For third parties, the page is [1] and the relevant section is:
Please do not change the text again unless you can provide a relevant source. However, given Jonathan Kew's own words—in a source you've provided—I'm sure it will be very difficult to provide one. — Felix the Cassowary 13:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Since you appear to be an expert on phonetics, perhaps you can clear a couple of points:
Thanks, Pcap ping 15:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Possibly we should create a wiki page for comparison TeX engines: plain TeX, XeTeX, LuaTeX and others. The differences between these engines are not clear in any of wikipedia articles of XeTeX, LuaTeX and so. What do you think?
Yes please do i came here looking for just that. That would be very valuable. Maybe this link helps in the process: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/36/differences-between-luatex-context-and-xetex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.147.242.202 ( talk) 17:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
I suggest we include a piece of mathematical notation in the example. It would also be great to use some other fonts that are more readily available on people's computers; I for one cannot render the example. (And someone above, who speaks Russian, presented a better Russian text.) — Bromskloss ( talk) 15:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Getting documentation on pure XeTeX from the net is a real pain due to many peoples having no idea XeTeX and XeLaTeX are two distinct things (and that also works for TeX and LaTeX and all the family), namely XeTeX is the base language, XeLaTeX and extension of it through macros: both have different, if related, syntaxes and possibilities. That would be helpful if the Wikipedia didn't help spreading the confusion, really. So the "XeTeX" example beginning with the command "\documentclass" and processed by the command "xelatex"? No, good sirs, I don't think so... 88.169.169.248 ( talk) 12:11, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Hear! Hear! the example is really wrong, esp w/rt font selection (which is why I am here in the first place). It is a LaTeX example not a TeX example. Can this get fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.225.198 ( talk) 11:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)