This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
What are your thoughts about adding Xbox360Forum.com to the external links? I am a member of the community and it has grown to over 4,000 members. We have been around for almost a year and it's a great place to discuss the Xbox 360 and ask questions.
So I'm submitting the Forum for peer review in accordance with the Wikipedia:External links policy. 66.98.152.31 01:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the sub-section 'procedural synthesis' be removed? The paragraph reads like an advertorial for MicroSoft XBox360 - any computer can do this and the technique is neither new nor exclusive to this console. VRken 21:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
The article states that games like PDZ and PGR3 will 49.99$. I am fairly certain this is false because i preordered PDZ and was told it was going to be 59.99$ not to mention that all game sites uote the games as being 59.99$. I will look more into and make the changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.43.6 ( talk • contribs)
The 360's GPU is a custom 512MB graphics card with 48-way pipelines,and 525Mhz clockspeed made by Microsoft&ATi. System's CPU runs at 512MB/s GDDR3 Ram (700Mhz). Total system memory bandwidth is 278GB/s a/sec. with 21.6 frontside bus,and 32GB/s backside bus, 10.8GB/s southbridge memory up&downstream. Total TFLOPS is 115.2TFLOPS. Which makes the graphics and computer much powerful than any high end PC to date, and the 360 is exactly what people want to see in graphics,memory,CPU's,entertainment,online,etc. seven years from now. It has the exact mathmematics of a supercomputer easily. With real-time graphics that look 3x better than ps3's CGI, what more could you ask for from this multi-media machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.13 ( talk • contribs)
As I recall, the X360 XDK is using a customized DirectX API, thus comparison with DirectX version seems pointless. And that DirectX 10 would be renamed as WFG when Vista is out, I believe. Any comments? 71.109.0.182 23:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)71.109.0.182
i have heard that the graphics of the X-box 360 are so advanced that one can see the pores on skin. is there any truth to that? -J.L. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.10.61.86 ( talk • contribs)
J.L., As reported on KATU.com (the ABC affiliate in Portland, Oregon) the graphics are so good that you can "actually see Russian soldiers exhaling as they battle Nazis on frozen battlefields" in "Call of Duty 2," the WWII first-person shooter game. 360 and several other games were test-run by Matt Slagle, an AP Tech Writer. M.M.
In the time article on Xbox 360 there is a quote from Bill Gates that gave the impression that Halo 3 was comming out on the PS3's release date. It might be important to note that Microsoft made a retraction notice. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61132 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grzesik ( talk • contribs)
user Mateusc created the xbox 360 SOD page and linked it to this article at the bottom, i dont think it warrents its own page and should be merged/ added somehow to this article. Tik 21:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
yeah thats what me and a couple others think as well, theres a discussion about it on that page.but i think the verdict is going to be merge the 2. Tik 15:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I really don't have an interest in the Xbox 360 or video games in general, but I found myself across the street from Tokyo's Xbox 360 Lounge on Sunday night, and tried out my new HDV camcorder on it. Some frame captures are below, if anyone thinks they're appropriate for the article
-- Calton | Talk 20:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Great works on the articles boys (is there a girl?)
Rememer, always listen to what the customer says, to make a better improvments.
>x<ino 03:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Agree, also did you notice LINK city at the bottom? that needs to be cleaned up. minor problem though Tik 15:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree with you to an extent. The introduction definitely needs to be cleaned up and beefed up, so random customers and google-redirects are given a quick and factual summary. However I think that images should be used primarily to illustrate the pertinent sections, grouping them in a gallery would strain the fair use rationale. The article is getting quite large, but the hardware specs and official components and accessories really should be the pillars of the entry. The marketing info, launch title lists, and release info could easily be combined and exported into a Launch of Xbox 360 article. The Xbox Live service already has its own article as well, so that section could be merged away, and the links should be trimmed. These changes would cut the article by about a third. -- anetode ?? 15:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
What's the total number of registers in the xbox360? the article states:
So is that 6 * 128 = 786? What ever the case it needs to be clarified. 68.183.29.123 18:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Is there any point of this? Come on, tell me that you can just walk into a store and buy one right here, right now. If not, then there you go. This thing sells like hot cakes, MS will probably ship under the projected 2.5~3 mil units in the first 90 days, now tell me, is there any business sense to do a "fake undersupply?" You try to sell as many as possible to get ahead of competitors.
how often is hardware said to be undersupplied and it turns out not to be? other than the PSP launch (but it wasn't AS touted as undersupplied, IIRC, as the xbox 360 is being...) i pulled up no articles googling the topic. well, not under the search "xbox 360" fake undersupply. any other thoughts, search ideas, sources? Plonk420 07:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I dont think calling names is very mature, even if i agree that selling a 360 at 5k on ebay is not very respectable, however it is pretty smart for those people wanting to make a quick buck and not at all illegal, the fact that people actually buy them is what fuels this kind of behavior. But please do not use profanity in these discussion spaces as it is not professional or mature. Tik 15:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Furthermore American actors and actresses got their Xbox 360s for free at an event a full week before the launch: http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Xbox360_Launch_Party/Atmosphere_Caulf_6543611_600_400.jpg. Even Paris Hilton got a free one: http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/hilton/ParisHilto_Caulf_6543975_600_400.jpg Dionyseus 19:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Supposedly Best Buy stores got 20 about a week or 2 ago, however, i dont remember hearing about any other stores getting 360's, and also not one store is getting 'weekly' shipments as peter moore has stated. I think the the truth is being bent somewhere. Tik 15:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Well i just got my 360 3 days ago, perhaps MS will start coming through on its promise to ship more units. i just hope everyone who pre-ordered one gets it. (also on a fancruft note: i played PDZ, NFS:MW, Q4, and CoD2, i am impressed so far). Happy New Year!!! Tik 14:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Today, Jan 27th, 06, MS announced that Australia and New Zealand launch date is pushed back from 3/2 to 3/24 due to shortage, so there you go, this is like what the Mythbusters would say, definately busted.
Is it ok to put a link up to the site http://www.xbox360degrees.com/ the site seems to be kept up to date, and has helpful and useful news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kittydog17 ( talk • contribs)
Important: 4 hours before the MTV program in United States the OurColony just placed the final challenge that reveal this Xbox 360 video. -- Mateusc 23:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Why points inside brackets? IMHO this isn't grammatically correct. -- KuSh 08:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I have uploaded the image . This is an image of the R500 Graphics Processing Unit of the Xbox 360. Can someone change the image size and correctly insert it into the picture? Thanks. -- CanesOL79 15:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
At IGN, they showed the real picture of the xbox remote, it doesnt look like this, this is a protoype
>x<ino 02:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I've totally redone the "Retail configurations and pricing" and "Launch titles" using tables. It better shows the comparisons, and I hope it doesn't make the code too difficult to read. violet/riga (t) 23:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know what's up with that? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 00:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
guys, this isnt a message board, stuff like this doesnt belong here. please remove it. Tik 16:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Xbox.com is an extremely unstable site. -- Vironex 19:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe it’s a good thing to have this kind of information available. For a user his/her wikipedia goal for this specific subject, is to find out what the Xbox 360 is and if he/she will buy it or not. I was able to find a couple of topics on the internet about this subject. At ign.com I found these two topics: 10 reasons , 10 reasons and pc . ShotokanTuning 13:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
This kind of topic is POV based though, would be hard to sell unless you found a way to Neutral it. But see what you can do. Tik 16:36, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Anyone want to put in some details about shortages, errors and robbery of Xbox 360s? Not looking so good. Xbox 360 has rocky start at retail —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorpe ( talk • contribs)
I live down the st from where a women got robbed at gunpoint for her 360 she was buying for her son for christmas on launch day, absolutely rediculous. the good news is that the store owner and employess pitched in to buy her a new one, good people exist in the world after all!! Tik 16:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Someone added that section. It was obvious written by a fanboy (in example, calling Xbots to the Xbox fans). While I agree there must be some section about the launching problems, it is too early to cite sources that base their reports in blogs and forums. -- ReyBrujo 13:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
i changed a little of what the report section said, after reading gamespy, there blip on it made since in that the tech problems are not uncommon, and arent rampant, i personally dont know anyone who has had any problem myself, so it would seem like they were pretty isolated. I think that all this propaganda is from fanboys exaggerating and Sony using people to discredit 360 since it is the only competition. Tik 16:54, 4 December 2005 (UTC) Edit: also ino, if you call microsoft with your problem regarding 360 they will send you a shipping box and ship u a new console, in return for the defective one, thats fair.
For Japan, I think one can safely argue that Xbox 360 does have worst launch titles, in the number at least, compared to Europe and US. I'm not exactly sure why MS is doing this, but having only a part of other countries' lineup will make it look like MS isn't making a serious attempt in Japan. As a side note, I have a feeling that MS did a market study and believes it can ignore Japanese market and still be succesful. MS is running a series of TV advertising right now in Japan and it's horrible copy of i-Pod, catchy (or supposed to be) American music, short (and unispiring from my view, having played demo version) segments of game video, and not showing anyone actually playing it. I still can't believe they couldn't find or tried to use a Japanese singer to sing in ads... -- Revth 01:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Should this page be locked due to the massive amounts of vandalism that are happening right at the launch date of the system? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.84.246 ( talk • contribs)
The list is unbelivably long, and please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a link depository. I have allready removed many of the links, but the whole "futher reading" is huge and should be toned down a lot. Havok (T/ C) 09:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
There is no point to having all the links that are there. They are mostly lame articles written to get attention for the author's website. I came to add this, which is an entire wiki dedicated to the article. If anyone agrees, add it to the list. -- 169.244.143.115 13:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Wiki360 actually needs some help, so if anybody wants to add some info, we (the staff) would really appreciate it. -- Vironex 00:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
This is an excellent link: http://www.free60.org/wiki/Main_Page it is a project towards porting GNU/Linux, BSD, Darwin and related open-source operating systems to the Microsoft Xbox 360 video game console. I think it should be posted. -- CBW 22:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The size of the 360 Premium's Hard Drive is 13 GB, not the originally advertised 20 GB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.193.154 ( talk • contribs)
I'm living in Ireland, and have seen kiosks of the new console (out 2 Dec for me) but have heard nothing of it crashing. If it is power supply related, it is possible it won't affect Europe (I added that to the article) but, does anyone know for sure? Has anyone heard of it crashing/overheating on the European ones? Or does anyone know for sure, the opposite, that it doesn't affect Europe? - RedHotHeat 15:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
The official name for their first console was "XBOX" (note the capitalisation) as mentioned in the documentation which came with the console.
Is the official name for this new one actually "Xbox 360", or are people on Wikipedia just mangling the name to make it look "better"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.55.251 ( talk • contribs)
Dead or Alive is not going to launch in Japan. Someone please fix that. Wisnodew 02:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Title | North America | Europe | Japan |
---|---|---|---|
Dead or Alive 4 | No | No | No |
Does the Xbox360 have HD DVD? The article is unclear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.85.24.83 ( talk • contribs)
The Xbox 360 has a DVD 9 drive (a double layer DVD with a capacity of 9.4 GB), Microsoft has said it might incorporate HD-DVD in the future, but for movie playback only, not games. There is no chance of Blu-ray as Sony is developing it, so either Microsoft won't use it or Sony won't let them. Blu-ray (27 GB/layer) discs have a bigger capacity of both HD-DVD (15 GB/layer) and DVD (4.7 GB/layer)but at the time of release for the PS3 (which uses Blu-Ray) the read times for them will be much slower than DVD's so there will be longer load times for the PS3.
Seraphim 20:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#1.7 -anon
SIGN.........YOUR......POSTS.......!!!!! Tik 14:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Aaaand once again I was right. Gosh this feels good!
It should be noted that in an recent magazine article, (i want to say gates stated this, but i dont have access to it from here) microsoft said that if they lost the format war they would switch to blu-ray. thought it was interesting... Tik 14:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I've asked this before, but now that it's out, could someone fill in this table below with {{yes}} and {{no}} to tell me what X360 can and can't do? I'm not saying to use it for the article or anything though. Even if you only know one, fill it in.
Windows XP | Windows Media Center 2005 | |
---|---|---|
Stream Video | ||
Stream Audio | ||
Copy Audio from | ||
Copy Video from | ||
Copy Audio to |
i have a related question. if i convert a video into wma format, can the 360 read it from a standard burnt dvd? if thats the case it will be so much easier to watch home movies. Tik 15:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it possible to record TV shows to the xbox 360 hard drive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.72.10 ( talk • contribs)
It depends. If the xbox 360 can record video games, yes it can record tv shows, but you need to start buying connection cables & wires:P >x<ino 11:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
On the opening day of the Xbox 360 Lounge in Japan, one guest (a pop singer, will get his name if it's important) invited to the opening ceremony got hit in the head by a standing light fixture that somehow fell down. He got a bump on his head and it wasn't serious. Should this information be included or would this be too trivial? Some people will take this as a bad omen. -- Revth 01:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Some Fanboys are blaking my contributions (Technical Issues/DVD Movie/Huge Power Suply and Energy Hungry). It's sourced and all true and confirmed by reliable tech site Ars Technica and CNET. I ask for Microsoft Xbox Fanboys stop make this. This isn't MSN kids. This is open-source information. No Censorship. -- Brazil4Linux 13:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, don't mind those fools
>x<ino 16:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I haven't been "blanking" but I do disagree on the inclusion of the "large power supply". The 360 is essentially a high-end gaming PC from the hardware standpoint, and that means large power consumption, and the space needed to convert and distribute that power. All other consoles have a power supply as well - usually inside the console. I will admit that the 360's PS is large, but it's not a technical issue in the sense of a design flaw.-- Arcaynn 20:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the small section on Burn-in, as this is a universal happening in all CRTs and any other type of display that I know of. It is not isolated to the 360 and I do not believe has a place in this article. -- Arcaynn 07:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Burn-ins do not occur in CRTs, LCDs, or DLPs. It only happens in older projection TVs and plasmas
I've again removed the section on "Project Light Flame" since it is nothing but a minor rumour at this time. The section references this article on some console game fan site (herein lies credibility flag number 1). The site states that some other site has found some sort of evidence (nature unspecified) of the described campaign. It also cites yet a third site as ITS source (third-hand information? credibility flag number 2). Visiting the third-hand source that the '360monster' site cites, we find this notice "EDIT: It has emerged that shortly after we published this article, 1UP.com removed the source from their website. No reason was given; although subsequent reports suggest questions surrounding the validity of their source. We apologise for any confusion." [6] This (third hand) site now reports that the (second hand) site has taken down the original information because of "questions surrounding (its) validity." Ladies and gentlemen, kind sirs, this is what is known as an internet rumour. Totally unverified information that is circulated on every single game-related blog is unfit for inclusion here until it can be verified by a reputable news source (and is one good reason not to even use blogs as a source for an article).
See how much trouble and dialogue we could have saved if everybody kindly checked their sources and attempted to only use first-hand sources from reputable news outlets? -- uberpenguin 04:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Just how many editorials, fan sites, blogs, and game news sites do we need to link? According to policy ( Wikipedia:External_links), we really should only be linking to one notable editorial dump/fansite/blog/game review site, not ten. My personal feeling is that these links are unneccessary in the first place since one doesn't have to go far out of their way to find one of the bajillion gaming related blog-o-editorial-sites out there. Of course this is contestable, but I'd like to see at least some discussion on what site in this category SHOULD be linked and why, rather than simply tolerating a big mess of various sites with almost identical content. In general, we want to include links that provide a significant informative experience beyond what we can cover here, and endless editorials about one person's view of a console and/or the ever-dreaded ill conceived and poorly backed console comparisons just don't qualify as a "significant informative experience" in my mind. Therefore, I've removed most of the external links section and left only what I felt are really worthwhile reading and actually relevant to this subject matter (i.e., not just one of the plethora of general game culture and game review sites). I've also added a link to an IBM DeveloperWorks article that provides a useful (albeit regrettably basic) overview of the design of the Xbox 360 CPU. I left the "Related gaming articles" section in tact largely because I didn't want to cause anybody too much mental shock, but I think its contents should likewise be evaluated.
Comments are appreciated. Remember that Wikipedia articles aren't directories or link dumps, so any links we consider adding should have their value critically examined before they are included in the article. -- uberpenguin 14:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
How about we only list sites used in creating the article. This way we can be 100% sure we are only listing useful ones. -- Vironex 19:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Being that the dashboard is such a critical part of the XBox360, should a section be made in this article about it or put on it's own page? Drakino 19:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think so...
The only information about it is, the 5 selection, Market Place, my Games ect Let's see what wiki has to say >x<ino 19:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey!, great work on it:P
>x<ino 00:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
A list of Xbox games that will not work on the new Xbox 360. Please ad any title that will only be usefull on the first and original Xbox console.
He is a marketing manager for the 360. It has some interesting info, might be good to incorporate some info in the wiki, or use it to substantiate/cite facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.109.76 ( talk • contribs)
Anyone else surprised that Microsoft hasn't released any sales data yet? We quickly got the data for the Japanese launch, but nada for the North American region, this is unheard of. It is typical for sales data to be quickly released within days of openings, which is obviously helpful for consumers and potential stock holders. Perhaps the launch in North America wasn't as good as Microsoft expected, and they decided not to release sales data? Who knows... Dionyseus 20:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Any reasons why the following was removed with regards to criticism to Microsoft by consumers?
this doesn't mean is the absolute truth, but people are indeed taslking about the possibility of Microsoft forcing a "selling out" of Xbox 360
-- Pinnecco 00:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
-- Pinnecco 12:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
What does the "360" represent in the XBox 360? Why not the XBox 2? -- Creidieki 05:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The article makes mention of a Japanese price cut to ~$100 implying this is due to poor demand. Whilst it does rightly mention that this price was tied to a 2-year broadband deal, it fails to note that this kind of deal is quite common in Japan with all consoles. The pricing had little to do with demand. I would suggest that this comment be removed as it has little actual substance upon proper analysis and only served to provide an amusing news story for certain websites that catered to anti-Microsoft readerships. -- Walshicus 29/12/05 15:57 GMT
Instead of removing, it could just be added in that this behavior (about pricing and broadband deals) is common and does not reflect the popularity of the console. That would probably make it more NPOV. Also, i think the japanese have spoken for themselves about how much they like the console, there were plenty still left on store shelves on launch day. But honestly who can blame them, they got shafted with only a handful of games and some games that SHOULD have been available were not i.e. DOA4, if more had been provided then it probably would be a different story, i think though that with more releases 360 will fair better later on. Tik 14:11, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Can we include Wiki360.net in the external links since it is mostly an extentsion (yet underdeveloped) of this page? Linking it on wikipedia would give it more exposure and therefore more information would be added which would end up in a more detailed version of the wikipedia page. It could also work as a community support thing as well. -- AGruntsJaggon 10:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Obviously this is not a real technical issue, even the section says so. But it needs to be adressed in the article because it is an issue with the system, however a general critizism section might get too messy. Anyone have any ideas? SeraphimXI 05:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Article contains text Universal Media Remote: allows the user to play DVD movies and music - unclear whether this means you've got to have a universal media remote in order to play movies. Don't know myself, truth be known. Anyone know? -- Oscarthecat 21:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Much of the text in the later sections of the article that refers to the launch of this console is in the future tense. Sentences read "the console will support emulation of 200 games at launch," when they should read "the console supported emulation of 200 games at lanuch" or "the console currently supports emulation of 214 games." I posted an "update" tag on the article to bring attention to this problem.
-- Quintin3265 21:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Bill Gates announced today in CES an HD-DVD external drive accesory and Street Fighter 2 disponible in LIVE Marketplace in 2006. Someons update...
The HD-DVD part was already added. I added in a section on Live Marketplace and Arcade in general. Since Live Arcade already has it's own page, I don't think that individual games need to be added here. Joe McCullough | (talk) 15:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Various sources including Maruyama (the japanese head) and Peter Moore has clear up that games will not be released on HD-DVD, so this is settled.
Anyone know if the Ethernet cable is a stared Patch or if it's a cross over? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.20.145.241 ( talk • contribs)
The source cited for this sentence contains inaccurate information and uses out of context quotes to imply statements made by company officials were answers to questions not asked. It is not an accurate source and should not be used.
Inaccurate NG source material: "In a report in today's Financial Times, the company shifted its attention to the longer-term target outlined at CES last week. The firm now says it will hit sales of 4 million to 5.5 million by the end of its financial year, in June." [10]
Source quote inaccurately relays sales June sales target announced at CES as 4 million instead of 4.5 million. There is no 4 million figure cited in the FT source article used by NG. Transcript of CES speech cited by the NG article:
"Let's fast-forward to Xbox 360. We're quickly moving from thought leadership to market leadership. And tonight I'm pleased to announce that Xbox 360 achieved an unprecedented global launch for the world of videogame consoles. In the first 90 days we will have launched Xbox 360 in nearly 30 countries, and Xbox 360 is on track to ship between 4.5 and 5.5 million consoles by the end of June." [11]
The 4.5 to 5.5 million console target by June 2006 is not a revised target estimate. Published articles can be found stating this target prior to the console's launch. This quote was published November 8th, 2005:
"The 90-day sales target totals more than half of Microsoft’s target of selling between 4.5 and 5.5 million Xbox 360 consoles by the end of the current business year to June 2006." [12]
Other misc points of note:
As far as I can tell, all of the information cited from Microsoft officials has not changed since before the console launched. As such, I don't see how a reasonable person could conclude that Microsoft is making any acknolwedgement that their 90 day targets have been missed. 24.18.202.92 12:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC) mirobin
I did change it, but I wanted to put my (long) justification in here to refute the source (as most 'versions' of the story I've seen have the same issues present), in case someone got upset about it. The FT website is a little wierd. For awhile I was reading the page in a search engine cache link, then the page was pulling up fine without registering, and now its back to the registration required page ... *sigh* I found this article on gamespot; that pretty much hits it home. :) 24.18.202.92 13:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)mirobin
I would like to ask for consideration of a new resource for the Xbox 360 page please - Planet Xbox 360
It is a complete all round resource for the console, and contains everything from the hardware specifications and technical discussions, to game previews and reviews. It is not a simple hobby site, but one of the largest and complete Xbox 360 dedicated websites on the internet, and is certainly on par with some of the other articles/links posted on the main Xbox 360 page.
I feel that the inclusion of Planet Xbox 360 would be very useful to people looking for information on the console.
Entrep1 02:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is the image of Fight Night 3
yes, those are ingame. there is no HUD in the game.
No idea where to request one or even to see if there is one, but would it be feasible to create a template to stick on Xbox game Wiki articles to say if they are backwards compatible or not? -- NeoDude0 04:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Where does the figure 337M come from?
We know the parent die is 232M transistors - confirmed by ATi officially [17], but in a recent interview with ATi they said the daughter die was only 90M, which is likely an approximation [18].
100M was an old guess based on the DRAM taking 80M transistors, so the AA/logic may have taken another 20M. 322M is the best figure we have at this time, without official confirmation of the daughter die. ElWarri 07:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
This article needs a major audit. Portions of it are well-written, but others are sloppy. They lack consistent voice, are worded in an unencyclopedic fashion, or have spelling, grammatical, capitalization, or punctuation errors. The worst sections are "Dashboard" (use of second person), Xbox Live, "Technical Issues" (which seems to be written as if it were a conversation describing how to fix all the problems), "Xbox 360, Linux and DRM", and "Modding the Xbox".— Kbolino 07:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Geez, does anyone know why the xbox360 was delayed for THREE WEEKS!
Anyone else think the VIP Pack information should be moved from Technical Issues? I'd say create something like an 'Australasian' or 'Australia and New Zealand Launch' under the Console Launch heading, and then include the information on the VIP pack following the Aus/NZ launch details. Riff 15:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm suggesting to have a dedicated section for total sales data. I don't think that's part of the original Xbox page, nor on the 360, but I think it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.0.182 ( talk • contribs)
I do not believe that these sections do anything but add extra length to this article. All game consoles use some sort of DRM system, ever since the NES came out and started require liscencing, it's expected behavior, if it did not use DRM then it would be notable and need to be included, the fact that it doesn't allow unsigned code to run is expected behavior and doesn't need to be included.
As of right now it is impossible to Mod the Xbox 360 there is nothing we could add to a section called "modding the xbox 360" since it is currently impossible. The text that was in that section was xbox relevant not xbox 360 relevant, saying that it is possible to mod the xbox 1 is irrelevant in this article.
The kiosk booting was way overhyped. They never got any unsigned code to run on the systems using it, and now it's been fixed. It's more like a random trivia question then a section in this article.
Once/if something is actually accomplished it will become relevant to this article. But for now all this will become is a way of adding links to various hacking communities, since all they would need to be included in the article is to claim that they are working on it. I say we leave all this modding stuff out of the article untill there is actually some good content to add, instead of pure speculation which is not encyclopedic. --SeraphimXI
I wasn't too happy with how the intro sounded, so I chopped and changed it a bit, I personally think it's more 'introduction-like' now, explaining what the 360 is before it goes into when it was/is to be released. Third paragraph, the one detailing the two kinds of 360 packages, needs work, though, anyone is welcome to tackle it, or revert if you don't like the new style. By the way, the wired controllers have a break-away feature, what does that entail exactly, and should it be included? Riff 03:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Why not xbox 2?
Pece Kocovski 08:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Instead of putting loads of links in can we put in the directory of links? [20] -- Thorpe | talk 10:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Could someone, possibly whoever first wrote it, specify under what conditions the 360 was weighed? ie, was it with/without HDD? Don't know how heavy the HDD is, but specifying might be a good idea. Riff 08:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
A comment about how the requirement for custom soundtracks might affect the business model for music video games was removed for "cleanup". Why was this done? I've strengthened its wording and re-added it. If it was removed for a good reason, please say so, and I may stop reverting. -- Damian Yerrick ( ☎) 14:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
New section looks out of place. Is there a better area in the article for it? -- OscarTheCat talk 22:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
This section was removed earlier by new user User:88.108.136.14. I've since reinstated the section, suggesting we discuss here. -- OscarTheCat talk 14:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone been able to find any reliable, non-spammy xbox 360 code sites?
I found this Xbox 360 cheats site but I'm looking for a few more that list all games.
Anyone know of any solid cheat code sites? 64.92.167.26 06:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Csmaster (as 128.62.82.24) wanted to add a link to [21] in the external links, but said he had trouble adding it to the talk page after I reverted their link addition. Per Csmaster: I just added it because it is another great resource, similar to IGN and gamespot. In my opinion, having IGN and Gamespot there already gives us enough examples of fansites...but figured I would assist them in adding a request in case someone felt differently. Thanks! -- Syrthiss 17:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Somewhat uncharitably I'd like to vote NO to this and all other similar requests. HappyVR 18:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
hmm what exactly is the issue with it though? It's like saying we should only post IGN and not gamespot, since IGN has everything gamespot has and more. It's just another good resource, and from what I've seen, usually posts news BEFORE gamespot and IGN do. Just my 2 cents.
Sorry to say no, but what about these? :
http://xbox.gamespy.com/
http://www.xbox365.com/
http://www.xboxaddict.com/
http://www.planetxbox360.com/
http://www.oxm.co.uk/
http://www.teamxbox.com/
http://www.talkxbox.com/
http://www.xboxmagonline.com/
http://www.xboxsolution.com/
http://www.xboxcore.com/
They all seem to offer similar things. Should xboxgalaxy get a link because...
Personally I think it's probably unfair that gamespot and ign get refs. but not others. Looking at a wiki page for an established console (ps2) I notice it has no links to any commercial sites - except for specifically interesting articles - so I'd say - no and no to ign and gamespot too. (Its not as if people can't type xbox 360 into a search engine is it.)
HappyVR
23:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
On the check list, it says that the core version does not ship with an ethenet cord, while in the picture it shows this?
Apart from the above section "Comparing The two different versions" all issues have been resolved? The page is now very long and I suggest archiving it quite soon. o.k? HappyVR 17:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
What are your thoughts about adding Xbox360Forum.com to the external links? I am a member of the community and it has grown to over 4,000 members. We have been around for almost a year and it's a great place to discuss the Xbox 360 and ask questions.
So I'm submitting the Forum for peer review in accordance with the Wikipedia:External links policy. 66.98.152.31 01:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the sub-section 'procedural synthesis' be removed? The paragraph reads like an advertorial for MicroSoft XBox360 - any computer can do this and the technique is neither new nor exclusive to this console. VRken 21:26, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
The article states that games like PDZ and PGR3 will 49.99$. I am fairly certain this is false because i preordered PDZ and was told it was going to be 59.99$ not to mention that all game sites uote the games as being 59.99$. I will look more into and make the changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.43.6 ( talk • contribs)
The 360's GPU is a custom 512MB graphics card with 48-way pipelines,and 525Mhz clockspeed made by Microsoft&ATi. System's CPU runs at 512MB/s GDDR3 Ram (700Mhz). Total system memory bandwidth is 278GB/s a/sec. with 21.6 frontside bus,and 32GB/s backside bus, 10.8GB/s southbridge memory up&downstream. Total TFLOPS is 115.2TFLOPS. Which makes the graphics and computer much powerful than any high end PC to date, and the 360 is exactly what people want to see in graphics,memory,CPU's,entertainment,online,etc. seven years from now. It has the exact mathmematics of a supercomputer easily. With real-time graphics that look 3x better than ps3's CGI, what more could you ask for from this multi-media machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.13 ( talk • contribs)
As I recall, the X360 XDK is using a customized DirectX API, thus comparison with DirectX version seems pointless. And that DirectX 10 would be renamed as WFG when Vista is out, I believe. Any comments? 71.109.0.182 23:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)71.109.0.182
i have heard that the graphics of the X-box 360 are so advanced that one can see the pores on skin. is there any truth to that? -J.L. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.10.61.86 ( talk • contribs)
J.L., As reported on KATU.com (the ABC affiliate in Portland, Oregon) the graphics are so good that you can "actually see Russian soldiers exhaling as they battle Nazis on frozen battlefields" in "Call of Duty 2," the WWII first-person shooter game. 360 and several other games were test-run by Matt Slagle, an AP Tech Writer. M.M.
In the time article on Xbox 360 there is a quote from Bill Gates that gave the impression that Halo 3 was comming out on the PS3's release date. It might be important to note that Microsoft made a retraction notice. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61132 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grzesik ( talk • contribs)
user Mateusc created the xbox 360 SOD page and linked it to this article at the bottom, i dont think it warrents its own page and should be merged/ added somehow to this article. Tik 21:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
yeah thats what me and a couple others think as well, theres a discussion about it on that page.but i think the verdict is going to be merge the 2. Tik 15:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I really don't have an interest in the Xbox 360 or video games in general, but I found myself across the street from Tokyo's Xbox 360 Lounge on Sunday night, and tried out my new HDV camcorder on it. Some frame captures are below, if anyone thinks they're appropriate for the article
-- Calton | Talk 20:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Great works on the articles boys (is there a girl?)
Rememer, always listen to what the customer says, to make a better improvments.
>x<ino 03:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Agree, also did you notice LINK city at the bottom? that needs to be cleaned up. minor problem though Tik 15:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree with you to an extent. The introduction definitely needs to be cleaned up and beefed up, so random customers and google-redirects are given a quick and factual summary. However I think that images should be used primarily to illustrate the pertinent sections, grouping them in a gallery would strain the fair use rationale. The article is getting quite large, but the hardware specs and official components and accessories really should be the pillars of the entry. The marketing info, launch title lists, and release info could easily be combined and exported into a Launch of Xbox 360 article. The Xbox Live service already has its own article as well, so that section could be merged away, and the links should be trimmed. These changes would cut the article by about a third. -- anetode ?? 15:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
What's the total number of registers in the xbox360? the article states:
So is that 6 * 128 = 786? What ever the case it needs to be clarified. 68.183.29.123 18:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Is there any point of this? Come on, tell me that you can just walk into a store and buy one right here, right now. If not, then there you go. This thing sells like hot cakes, MS will probably ship under the projected 2.5~3 mil units in the first 90 days, now tell me, is there any business sense to do a "fake undersupply?" You try to sell as many as possible to get ahead of competitors.
how often is hardware said to be undersupplied and it turns out not to be? other than the PSP launch (but it wasn't AS touted as undersupplied, IIRC, as the xbox 360 is being...) i pulled up no articles googling the topic. well, not under the search "xbox 360" fake undersupply. any other thoughts, search ideas, sources? Plonk420 07:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I dont think calling names is very mature, even if i agree that selling a 360 at 5k on ebay is not very respectable, however it is pretty smart for those people wanting to make a quick buck and not at all illegal, the fact that people actually buy them is what fuels this kind of behavior. But please do not use profanity in these discussion spaces as it is not professional or mature. Tik 15:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Furthermore American actors and actresses got their Xbox 360s for free at an event a full week before the launch: http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Xbox360_Launch_Party/Atmosphere_Caulf_6543611_600_400.jpg. Even Paris Hilton got a free one: http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/hilton/ParisHilto_Caulf_6543975_600_400.jpg Dionyseus 19:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Supposedly Best Buy stores got 20 about a week or 2 ago, however, i dont remember hearing about any other stores getting 360's, and also not one store is getting 'weekly' shipments as peter moore has stated. I think the the truth is being bent somewhere. Tik 15:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Well i just got my 360 3 days ago, perhaps MS will start coming through on its promise to ship more units. i just hope everyone who pre-ordered one gets it. (also on a fancruft note: i played PDZ, NFS:MW, Q4, and CoD2, i am impressed so far). Happy New Year!!! Tik 14:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Today, Jan 27th, 06, MS announced that Australia and New Zealand launch date is pushed back from 3/2 to 3/24 due to shortage, so there you go, this is like what the Mythbusters would say, definately busted.
Is it ok to put a link up to the site http://www.xbox360degrees.com/ the site seems to be kept up to date, and has helpful and useful news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kittydog17 ( talk • contribs)
Important: 4 hours before the MTV program in United States the OurColony just placed the final challenge that reveal this Xbox 360 video. -- Mateusc 23:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Why points inside brackets? IMHO this isn't grammatically correct. -- KuSh 08:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I have uploaded the image . This is an image of the R500 Graphics Processing Unit of the Xbox 360. Can someone change the image size and correctly insert it into the picture? Thanks. -- CanesOL79 15:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
At IGN, they showed the real picture of the xbox remote, it doesnt look like this, this is a protoype
>x<ino 02:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I've totally redone the "Retail configurations and pricing" and "Launch titles" using tables. It better shows the comparisons, and I hope it doesn't make the code too difficult to read. violet/riga (t) 23:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know what's up with that? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 00:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
guys, this isnt a message board, stuff like this doesnt belong here. please remove it. Tik 16:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Xbox.com is an extremely unstable site. -- Vironex 19:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe it’s a good thing to have this kind of information available. For a user his/her wikipedia goal for this specific subject, is to find out what the Xbox 360 is and if he/she will buy it or not. I was able to find a couple of topics on the internet about this subject. At ign.com I found these two topics: 10 reasons , 10 reasons and pc . ShotokanTuning 13:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
This kind of topic is POV based though, would be hard to sell unless you found a way to Neutral it. But see what you can do. Tik 16:36, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Anyone want to put in some details about shortages, errors and robbery of Xbox 360s? Not looking so good. Xbox 360 has rocky start at retail —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorpe ( talk • contribs)
I live down the st from where a women got robbed at gunpoint for her 360 she was buying for her son for christmas on launch day, absolutely rediculous. the good news is that the store owner and employess pitched in to buy her a new one, good people exist in the world after all!! Tik 16:38, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Someone added that section. It was obvious written by a fanboy (in example, calling Xbots to the Xbox fans). While I agree there must be some section about the launching problems, it is too early to cite sources that base their reports in blogs and forums. -- ReyBrujo 13:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
i changed a little of what the report section said, after reading gamespy, there blip on it made since in that the tech problems are not uncommon, and arent rampant, i personally dont know anyone who has had any problem myself, so it would seem like they were pretty isolated. I think that all this propaganda is from fanboys exaggerating and Sony using people to discredit 360 since it is the only competition. Tik 16:54, 4 December 2005 (UTC) Edit: also ino, if you call microsoft with your problem regarding 360 they will send you a shipping box and ship u a new console, in return for the defective one, thats fair.
For Japan, I think one can safely argue that Xbox 360 does have worst launch titles, in the number at least, compared to Europe and US. I'm not exactly sure why MS is doing this, but having only a part of other countries' lineup will make it look like MS isn't making a serious attempt in Japan. As a side note, I have a feeling that MS did a market study and believes it can ignore Japanese market and still be succesful. MS is running a series of TV advertising right now in Japan and it's horrible copy of i-Pod, catchy (or supposed to be) American music, short (and unispiring from my view, having played demo version) segments of game video, and not showing anyone actually playing it. I still can't believe they couldn't find or tried to use a Japanese singer to sing in ads... -- Revth 01:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Should this page be locked due to the massive amounts of vandalism that are happening right at the launch date of the system? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.84.246 ( talk • contribs)
The list is unbelivably long, and please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a link depository. I have allready removed many of the links, but the whole "futher reading" is huge and should be toned down a lot. Havok (T/ C) 09:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
There is no point to having all the links that are there. They are mostly lame articles written to get attention for the author's website. I came to add this, which is an entire wiki dedicated to the article. If anyone agrees, add it to the list. -- 169.244.143.115 13:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Wiki360 actually needs some help, so if anybody wants to add some info, we (the staff) would really appreciate it. -- Vironex 00:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
This is an excellent link: http://www.free60.org/wiki/Main_Page it is a project towards porting GNU/Linux, BSD, Darwin and related open-source operating systems to the Microsoft Xbox 360 video game console. I think it should be posted. -- CBW 22:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The size of the 360 Premium's Hard Drive is 13 GB, not the originally advertised 20 GB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.193.154 ( talk • contribs)
I'm living in Ireland, and have seen kiosks of the new console (out 2 Dec for me) but have heard nothing of it crashing. If it is power supply related, it is possible it won't affect Europe (I added that to the article) but, does anyone know for sure? Has anyone heard of it crashing/overheating on the European ones? Or does anyone know for sure, the opposite, that it doesn't affect Europe? - RedHotHeat 15:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
The official name for their first console was "XBOX" (note the capitalisation) as mentioned in the documentation which came with the console.
Is the official name for this new one actually "Xbox 360", or are people on Wikipedia just mangling the name to make it look "better"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.55.251 ( talk • contribs)
Dead or Alive is not going to launch in Japan. Someone please fix that. Wisnodew 02:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Title | North America | Europe | Japan |
---|---|---|---|
Dead or Alive 4 | No | No | No |
Does the Xbox360 have HD DVD? The article is unclear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.85.24.83 ( talk • contribs)
The Xbox 360 has a DVD 9 drive (a double layer DVD with a capacity of 9.4 GB), Microsoft has said it might incorporate HD-DVD in the future, but for movie playback only, not games. There is no chance of Blu-ray as Sony is developing it, so either Microsoft won't use it or Sony won't let them. Blu-ray (27 GB/layer) discs have a bigger capacity of both HD-DVD (15 GB/layer) and DVD (4.7 GB/layer)but at the time of release for the PS3 (which uses Blu-Ray) the read times for them will be much slower than DVD's so there will be longer load times for the PS3.
Seraphim 20:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#1.7 -anon
SIGN.........YOUR......POSTS.......!!!!! Tik 14:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Aaaand once again I was right. Gosh this feels good!
It should be noted that in an recent magazine article, (i want to say gates stated this, but i dont have access to it from here) microsoft said that if they lost the format war they would switch to blu-ray. thought it was interesting... Tik 14:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I've asked this before, but now that it's out, could someone fill in this table below with {{yes}} and {{no}} to tell me what X360 can and can't do? I'm not saying to use it for the article or anything though. Even if you only know one, fill it in.
Windows XP | Windows Media Center 2005 | |
---|---|---|
Stream Video | ||
Stream Audio | ||
Copy Audio from | ||
Copy Video from | ||
Copy Audio to |
i have a related question. if i convert a video into wma format, can the 360 read it from a standard burnt dvd? if thats the case it will be so much easier to watch home movies. Tik 15:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it possible to record TV shows to the xbox 360 hard drive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.72.10 ( talk • contribs)
It depends. If the xbox 360 can record video games, yes it can record tv shows, but you need to start buying connection cables & wires:P >x<ino 11:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
On the opening day of the Xbox 360 Lounge in Japan, one guest (a pop singer, will get his name if it's important) invited to the opening ceremony got hit in the head by a standing light fixture that somehow fell down. He got a bump on his head and it wasn't serious. Should this information be included or would this be too trivial? Some people will take this as a bad omen. -- Revth 01:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Some Fanboys are blaking my contributions (Technical Issues/DVD Movie/Huge Power Suply and Energy Hungry). It's sourced and all true and confirmed by reliable tech site Ars Technica and CNET. I ask for Microsoft Xbox Fanboys stop make this. This isn't MSN kids. This is open-source information. No Censorship. -- Brazil4Linux 13:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, don't mind those fools
>x<ino 16:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I haven't been "blanking" but I do disagree on the inclusion of the "large power supply". The 360 is essentially a high-end gaming PC from the hardware standpoint, and that means large power consumption, and the space needed to convert and distribute that power. All other consoles have a power supply as well - usually inside the console. I will admit that the 360's PS is large, but it's not a technical issue in the sense of a design flaw.-- Arcaynn 20:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the small section on Burn-in, as this is a universal happening in all CRTs and any other type of display that I know of. It is not isolated to the 360 and I do not believe has a place in this article. -- Arcaynn 07:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Burn-ins do not occur in CRTs, LCDs, or DLPs. It only happens in older projection TVs and plasmas
I've again removed the section on "Project Light Flame" since it is nothing but a minor rumour at this time. The section references this article on some console game fan site (herein lies credibility flag number 1). The site states that some other site has found some sort of evidence (nature unspecified) of the described campaign. It also cites yet a third site as ITS source (third-hand information? credibility flag number 2). Visiting the third-hand source that the '360monster' site cites, we find this notice "EDIT: It has emerged that shortly after we published this article, 1UP.com removed the source from their website. No reason was given; although subsequent reports suggest questions surrounding the validity of their source. We apologise for any confusion." [6] This (third hand) site now reports that the (second hand) site has taken down the original information because of "questions surrounding (its) validity." Ladies and gentlemen, kind sirs, this is what is known as an internet rumour. Totally unverified information that is circulated on every single game-related blog is unfit for inclusion here until it can be verified by a reputable news source (and is one good reason not to even use blogs as a source for an article).
See how much trouble and dialogue we could have saved if everybody kindly checked their sources and attempted to only use first-hand sources from reputable news outlets? -- uberpenguin 04:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Just how many editorials, fan sites, blogs, and game news sites do we need to link? According to policy ( Wikipedia:External_links), we really should only be linking to one notable editorial dump/fansite/blog/game review site, not ten. My personal feeling is that these links are unneccessary in the first place since one doesn't have to go far out of their way to find one of the bajillion gaming related blog-o-editorial-sites out there. Of course this is contestable, but I'd like to see at least some discussion on what site in this category SHOULD be linked and why, rather than simply tolerating a big mess of various sites with almost identical content. In general, we want to include links that provide a significant informative experience beyond what we can cover here, and endless editorials about one person's view of a console and/or the ever-dreaded ill conceived and poorly backed console comparisons just don't qualify as a "significant informative experience" in my mind. Therefore, I've removed most of the external links section and left only what I felt are really worthwhile reading and actually relevant to this subject matter (i.e., not just one of the plethora of general game culture and game review sites). I've also added a link to an IBM DeveloperWorks article that provides a useful (albeit regrettably basic) overview of the design of the Xbox 360 CPU. I left the "Related gaming articles" section in tact largely because I didn't want to cause anybody too much mental shock, but I think its contents should likewise be evaluated.
Comments are appreciated. Remember that Wikipedia articles aren't directories or link dumps, so any links we consider adding should have their value critically examined before they are included in the article. -- uberpenguin 14:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
How about we only list sites used in creating the article. This way we can be 100% sure we are only listing useful ones. -- Vironex 19:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Being that the dashboard is such a critical part of the XBox360, should a section be made in this article about it or put on it's own page? Drakino 19:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think so...
The only information about it is, the 5 selection, Market Place, my Games ect Let's see what wiki has to say >x<ino 19:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey!, great work on it:P
>x<ino 00:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
A list of Xbox games that will not work on the new Xbox 360. Please ad any title that will only be usefull on the first and original Xbox console.
He is a marketing manager for the 360. It has some interesting info, might be good to incorporate some info in the wiki, or use it to substantiate/cite facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.109.76 ( talk • contribs)
Anyone else surprised that Microsoft hasn't released any sales data yet? We quickly got the data for the Japanese launch, but nada for the North American region, this is unheard of. It is typical for sales data to be quickly released within days of openings, which is obviously helpful for consumers and potential stock holders. Perhaps the launch in North America wasn't as good as Microsoft expected, and they decided not to release sales data? Who knows... Dionyseus 20:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Any reasons why the following was removed with regards to criticism to Microsoft by consumers?
this doesn't mean is the absolute truth, but people are indeed taslking about the possibility of Microsoft forcing a "selling out" of Xbox 360
-- Pinnecco 00:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
-- Pinnecco 12:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
What does the "360" represent in the XBox 360? Why not the XBox 2? -- Creidieki 05:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The article makes mention of a Japanese price cut to ~$100 implying this is due to poor demand. Whilst it does rightly mention that this price was tied to a 2-year broadband deal, it fails to note that this kind of deal is quite common in Japan with all consoles. The pricing had little to do with demand. I would suggest that this comment be removed as it has little actual substance upon proper analysis and only served to provide an amusing news story for certain websites that catered to anti-Microsoft readerships. -- Walshicus 29/12/05 15:57 GMT
Instead of removing, it could just be added in that this behavior (about pricing and broadband deals) is common and does not reflect the popularity of the console. That would probably make it more NPOV. Also, i think the japanese have spoken for themselves about how much they like the console, there were plenty still left on store shelves on launch day. But honestly who can blame them, they got shafted with only a handful of games and some games that SHOULD have been available were not i.e. DOA4, if more had been provided then it probably would be a different story, i think though that with more releases 360 will fair better later on. Tik 14:11, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Can we include Wiki360.net in the external links since it is mostly an extentsion (yet underdeveloped) of this page? Linking it on wikipedia would give it more exposure and therefore more information would be added which would end up in a more detailed version of the wikipedia page. It could also work as a community support thing as well. -- AGruntsJaggon 10:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Obviously this is not a real technical issue, even the section says so. But it needs to be adressed in the article because it is an issue with the system, however a general critizism section might get too messy. Anyone have any ideas? SeraphimXI 05:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Article contains text Universal Media Remote: allows the user to play DVD movies and music - unclear whether this means you've got to have a universal media remote in order to play movies. Don't know myself, truth be known. Anyone know? -- Oscarthecat 21:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Much of the text in the later sections of the article that refers to the launch of this console is in the future tense. Sentences read "the console will support emulation of 200 games at launch," when they should read "the console supported emulation of 200 games at lanuch" or "the console currently supports emulation of 214 games." I posted an "update" tag on the article to bring attention to this problem.
-- Quintin3265 21:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Bill Gates announced today in CES an HD-DVD external drive accesory and Street Fighter 2 disponible in LIVE Marketplace in 2006. Someons update...
The HD-DVD part was already added. I added in a section on Live Marketplace and Arcade in general. Since Live Arcade already has it's own page, I don't think that individual games need to be added here. Joe McCullough | (talk) 15:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Various sources including Maruyama (the japanese head) and Peter Moore has clear up that games will not be released on HD-DVD, so this is settled.
Anyone know if the Ethernet cable is a stared Patch or if it's a cross over? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.20.145.241 ( talk • contribs)
The source cited for this sentence contains inaccurate information and uses out of context quotes to imply statements made by company officials were answers to questions not asked. It is not an accurate source and should not be used.
Inaccurate NG source material: "In a report in today's Financial Times, the company shifted its attention to the longer-term target outlined at CES last week. The firm now says it will hit sales of 4 million to 5.5 million by the end of its financial year, in June." [10]
Source quote inaccurately relays sales June sales target announced at CES as 4 million instead of 4.5 million. There is no 4 million figure cited in the FT source article used by NG. Transcript of CES speech cited by the NG article:
"Let's fast-forward to Xbox 360. We're quickly moving from thought leadership to market leadership. And tonight I'm pleased to announce that Xbox 360 achieved an unprecedented global launch for the world of videogame consoles. In the first 90 days we will have launched Xbox 360 in nearly 30 countries, and Xbox 360 is on track to ship between 4.5 and 5.5 million consoles by the end of June." [11]
The 4.5 to 5.5 million console target by June 2006 is not a revised target estimate. Published articles can be found stating this target prior to the console's launch. This quote was published November 8th, 2005:
"The 90-day sales target totals more than half of Microsoft’s target of selling between 4.5 and 5.5 million Xbox 360 consoles by the end of the current business year to June 2006." [12]
Other misc points of note:
As far as I can tell, all of the information cited from Microsoft officials has not changed since before the console launched. As such, I don't see how a reasonable person could conclude that Microsoft is making any acknolwedgement that their 90 day targets have been missed. 24.18.202.92 12:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC) mirobin
I did change it, but I wanted to put my (long) justification in here to refute the source (as most 'versions' of the story I've seen have the same issues present), in case someone got upset about it. The FT website is a little wierd. For awhile I was reading the page in a search engine cache link, then the page was pulling up fine without registering, and now its back to the registration required page ... *sigh* I found this article on gamespot; that pretty much hits it home. :) 24.18.202.92 13:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)mirobin
I would like to ask for consideration of a new resource for the Xbox 360 page please - Planet Xbox 360
It is a complete all round resource for the console, and contains everything from the hardware specifications and technical discussions, to game previews and reviews. It is not a simple hobby site, but one of the largest and complete Xbox 360 dedicated websites on the internet, and is certainly on par with some of the other articles/links posted on the main Xbox 360 page.
I feel that the inclusion of Planet Xbox 360 would be very useful to people looking for information on the console.
Entrep1 02:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is the image of Fight Night 3
yes, those are ingame. there is no HUD in the game.
No idea where to request one or even to see if there is one, but would it be feasible to create a template to stick on Xbox game Wiki articles to say if they are backwards compatible or not? -- NeoDude0 04:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Where does the figure 337M come from?
We know the parent die is 232M transistors - confirmed by ATi officially [17], but in a recent interview with ATi they said the daughter die was only 90M, which is likely an approximation [18].
100M was an old guess based on the DRAM taking 80M transistors, so the AA/logic may have taken another 20M. 322M is the best figure we have at this time, without official confirmation of the daughter die. ElWarri 07:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
This article needs a major audit. Portions of it are well-written, but others are sloppy. They lack consistent voice, are worded in an unencyclopedic fashion, or have spelling, grammatical, capitalization, or punctuation errors. The worst sections are "Dashboard" (use of second person), Xbox Live, "Technical Issues" (which seems to be written as if it were a conversation describing how to fix all the problems), "Xbox 360, Linux and DRM", and "Modding the Xbox".— Kbolino 07:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Geez, does anyone know why the xbox360 was delayed for THREE WEEKS!
Anyone else think the VIP Pack information should be moved from Technical Issues? I'd say create something like an 'Australasian' or 'Australia and New Zealand Launch' under the Console Launch heading, and then include the information on the VIP pack following the Aus/NZ launch details. Riff 15:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm suggesting to have a dedicated section for total sales data. I don't think that's part of the original Xbox page, nor on the 360, but I think it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.0.182 ( talk • contribs)
I do not believe that these sections do anything but add extra length to this article. All game consoles use some sort of DRM system, ever since the NES came out and started require liscencing, it's expected behavior, if it did not use DRM then it would be notable and need to be included, the fact that it doesn't allow unsigned code to run is expected behavior and doesn't need to be included.
As of right now it is impossible to Mod the Xbox 360 there is nothing we could add to a section called "modding the xbox 360" since it is currently impossible. The text that was in that section was xbox relevant not xbox 360 relevant, saying that it is possible to mod the xbox 1 is irrelevant in this article.
The kiosk booting was way overhyped. They never got any unsigned code to run on the systems using it, and now it's been fixed. It's more like a random trivia question then a section in this article.
Once/if something is actually accomplished it will become relevant to this article. But for now all this will become is a way of adding links to various hacking communities, since all they would need to be included in the article is to claim that they are working on it. I say we leave all this modding stuff out of the article untill there is actually some good content to add, instead of pure speculation which is not encyclopedic. --SeraphimXI
I wasn't too happy with how the intro sounded, so I chopped and changed it a bit, I personally think it's more 'introduction-like' now, explaining what the 360 is before it goes into when it was/is to be released. Third paragraph, the one detailing the two kinds of 360 packages, needs work, though, anyone is welcome to tackle it, or revert if you don't like the new style. By the way, the wired controllers have a break-away feature, what does that entail exactly, and should it be included? Riff 03:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Why not xbox 2?
Pece Kocovski 08:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Instead of putting loads of links in can we put in the directory of links? [20] -- Thorpe | talk 10:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Could someone, possibly whoever first wrote it, specify under what conditions the 360 was weighed? ie, was it with/without HDD? Don't know how heavy the HDD is, but specifying might be a good idea. Riff 08:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
A comment about how the requirement for custom soundtracks might affect the business model for music video games was removed for "cleanup". Why was this done? I've strengthened its wording and re-added it. If it was removed for a good reason, please say so, and I may stop reverting. -- Damian Yerrick ( ☎) 14:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
New section looks out of place. Is there a better area in the article for it? -- OscarTheCat talk 22:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
This section was removed earlier by new user User:88.108.136.14. I've since reinstated the section, suggesting we discuss here. -- OscarTheCat talk 14:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone been able to find any reliable, non-spammy xbox 360 code sites?
I found this Xbox 360 cheats site but I'm looking for a few more that list all games.
Anyone know of any solid cheat code sites? 64.92.167.26 06:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Csmaster (as 128.62.82.24) wanted to add a link to [21] in the external links, but said he had trouble adding it to the talk page after I reverted their link addition. Per Csmaster: I just added it because it is another great resource, similar to IGN and gamespot. In my opinion, having IGN and Gamespot there already gives us enough examples of fansites...but figured I would assist them in adding a request in case someone felt differently. Thanks! -- Syrthiss 17:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Somewhat uncharitably I'd like to vote NO to this and all other similar requests. HappyVR 18:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
hmm what exactly is the issue with it though? It's like saying we should only post IGN and not gamespot, since IGN has everything gamespot has and more. It's just another good resource, and from what I've seen, usually posts news BEFORE gamespot and IGN do. Just my 2 cents.
Sorry to say no, but what about these? :
http://xbox.gamespy.com/
http://www.xbox365.com/
http://www.xboxaddict.com/
http://www.planetxbox360.com/
http://www.oxm.co.uk/
http://www.teamxbox.com/
http://www.talkxbox.com/
http://www.xboxmagonline.com/
http://www.xboxsolution.com/
http://www.xboxcore.com/
They all seem to offer similar things. Should xboxgalaxy get a link because...
Personally I think it's probably unfair that gamespot and ign get refs. but not others. Looking at a wiki page for an established console (ps2) I notice it has no links to any commercial sites - except for specifically interesting articles - so I'd say - no and no to ign and gamespot too. (Its not as if people can't type xbox 360 into a search engine is it.)
HappyVR
23:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
On the check list, it says that the core version does not ship with an ethenet cord, while in the picture it shows this?
Apart from the above section "Comparing The two different versions" all issues have been resolved? The page is now very long and I suggest archiving it quite soon. o.k? HappyVR 17:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)