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Two pages seems redundant. I don't recall any other sports page separating things out like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jidery ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
I started a discussion at Talk:XFL#Requested_move_25_September_2019 which could affect this page - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 15:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
https://ballparkdigest.com/2019/10/17/globe-life-park-conversion-plans-unveiled/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by S s47 ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Section 2.1.5 states, "Unlike other football leagues, a coin toss is not used to determine who is on offense first; instead, the visiting team is on offense first and home team on defense first for each round, similar to baseball."
However, section 2.2 contradicts that, stating, "The designated home team automatically gets, at the start of the game, to choose to kick off, receive or defer to the second half. There is no coin toss traditionally seen in other football leagues, or any opening scramble that was a hallmark of the original XFL. In the event of overtime, the visiting team will be given the choice of going first or second or selecting which end zone to attack (with the home team getting the other choice)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subject Matter Expert Supreme ( talk • contribs) 04:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
According to multiple reports on Twitter, the XFL has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. This is different from the bankruptcy that the Alliance of American Football declared, which was Chapter 7. It seems that under Chapter 11 there is an option to just reorganize the company, while Chapter 7 straight up sells off all assets. Does this prove the league has folded? Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
All personnel, including players, coaches, office workers, and the commissioner have been let go. Every reliable source describes the league as "shut down" and "folded". All also describe there being no plans for a return whatsoever. The article as written is out of touch with reality in using the present tense. The league is dead, as plainly stated in all reliable sources. Period. oknazevad ( talk) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
There’s a significant difference between Chapter 11 and Chapter Seven. The latter option, which the AAF pursued, entails complete and total liquidation of the business. The former keeps open the possibility of an eventual return, following reorganization of the business and handling of the debts.There is a difference between "suspending operations" and "ceasing operations", and the XFL has only done the former so far. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
a handful of executives remain employed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
References
Here it says "Since ceasing operations, multiple players from the eight-team league -- which was broadcast nationally on FOX, ESPN and ABC -- have gone on to sign with NFL teams." https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/football/the-rock-buys-xfl/95-b4248ffd-3434-4968-85a8-8e28f4d2908f One notable player who made headlines was P. J. Walker https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/carolina-panthers-sign-xfl-star-quarterback-pj-walker#:~:text=The%20Carolina%20Panthers%20signed%20XFL,first%20wave%20of%20free%20agency. The player storage is very relevant, as it also means that new players must be recruited. 2601:447:4080:10:D1BA:D4BB:85D2:BCF6 ( talk) 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Please accept that XFL's own newsroom is now acknowledging these reports with the words "less interested." 2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 ( talk) 15:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes they are "affiliated with the XFL" See their website. It is not direct, but in the form of journalism [ [4]]. 2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 ( talk) 15:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Which is why I typed "not direct." Read the top and you'll see they somehow manage to go beyond commentary and act like the organization's news source. I love how Eagles fan Kevin Hart and The Rock make a good tag team in movies, but I also want to know why it claims no affiliation when it acts like an affiliate at the same time. 2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 ( talk) 15:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Mike A posted this to the Teams page without any source:
“On December 23, 2021, it was reported by XFL owner Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson that the league will be getting new teams for the 2023 XFL reboot. Executives from the old teams from the failed AAF have been in talks with the league since then about a possible revival of some (or all) these teams.”
Can anyone verify these claims with a source? Guardian2023 ( talk) 01:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I don't know enough about the subject to fix this myself, but I think the content about the New York Jets is somebody poking fun at Jets fans. Just wanted to give someone a heads up. Amysisson ( talk) 23:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
The logo seems to have been removed from the page, what happened? Was it updated and the rights were not obtained? CanadianOntarian ( talk) 23:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Is XFL a major or minor sports league? SportsFan007 ( talk) 06:35, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW seems apparent here. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 19:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
– The current XFL qualifies as the primary topic per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. 2020 was a bad year to start anything but a conspiracy theory, and many were expecting the new XFL to fold as quickly as the first one, but the league has demonstrated that it has staying power and XFL pageview stats indicate that the XFL (2020) page gets far more views than the other XFL topics put together. I propose to simultaneously move XFL (2001) to XFL (defunct American football league) per WP:PRECISE because the average person is unlikely to know when either league was formed; therefore, using only the founding year as a qualifier is inadequate to differentiate it from the current league. Carguychris ( talk) 19:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
After formal announcement of the new teams names it impossible to connect between the former Tampa Bay Vipers to the new Orlando Guardians team. Now the question is do we need to start new articles for the Orlando Guardians and Vegas Vipers, or consider the "Vipers" and "Guardians" as relocating "franchises"? StanleyKey ( talk) 02:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi. The article gets a bit confusing by having info on the 2023 XFL Mixed in. I would suggest 2023 XFL Gets its own Wiki Page. They already have coaches & QBS Set. With ABC/ESPN TV Contracts set why not break off 2023 into its own page now & then streamline this page by removing 2023 info which has really nothing to do with the 2020 XFL. Thanks. 2603:7000:BE00:4B:C078:FE3D:6623:A21C ( talk) 03:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Proposal: Split out 2023 content from this page onto a fresh [XFL] page (as it is current) with a redirect from XFL (2023).
The league has now played a full regular season, and it seems clear at this point that the 2020 entity and the 2023 entity are not quite the same thing, even if the 2023 did capitalize on many aspects of the 2020 league, such as names and cities, it's a distinct model with distinct structure and distinct decisions, as well as distinct staff and players, in addition to distinct owners, rules, and practices. There is not any fundamental carryover from the previous to the current outside of branding. In addition, the current edition of the league refers to itself as "XFL 3.0," with the 2020 edition being referred to as "XFL 2.0" and so on.
- Keith D. Tyler ¶ 00:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
I do think we need move the XFL (2020) article to onto a fresh XFL page- the 2020 league doesn't lead the 2001 league in pageviews by a huge margin. I'd argue that WP:NOPRIMARY applies, and I'm the one who proposed the previous pagemove. Carguychris ( talk) 23:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
As opposite to the discussion above, I propose to merge the XFL (2001) and XFL (2020) articles. A majority of the history displayed in the 2001 article is already in the newer one. The league/company is the same, since McMahon purchased the remaining shares from NBC to form XFL 2020. Instead of proposing a split from every season, I think all XFL pages should be merged together.
Let's merge it into an "XFL" article.
Afrique0512 ( talk) 08:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Since the XFL is now considered a conference of the UFL, should the info box and teams section be updated to reflect the change such as the teams section referencing the 4 teams in the conference (with the four folded teams moved to the defunct franchise table). I only have my phone for editing so I’m probably not the best person for such a change. Thoughts? Db9780 ( talk) 03:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Considering opening an RM. This page should be re-named XFL (2020–23), IMHO. GoodDay ( talk) 18:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to XFL (2020–2023). Consensus on the alternate proposed title. – robertsky ( talk) 03:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
XFL (2020) → XFL (2020–23) – The league lasted only three years & then merged with the second incarnation of the USFL to form the UFL. Therefore the title should be book ended with a start & end year. GoodDay ( talk) 15:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Note for example: We have International Hockey League (1945–2001). -- GoodDay ( talk) 16:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
it's a mess right now. It's not actually a table. Someone messed up the formatting so all the info isn't in a table anymore. I don't know how to fix it RyanConnell5150 ( talk) 01:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 27 January 2020 and 12 May 2020. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Jeffreypascal.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 05:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Two pages seems redundant. I don't recall any other sports page separating things out like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jidery ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
I started a discussion at Talk:XFL#Requested_move_25_September_2019 which could affect this page - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 15:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
https://ballparkdigest.com/2019/10/17/globe-life-park-conversion-plans-unveiled/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by S s47 ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Section 2.1.5 states, "Unlike other football leagues, a coin toss is not used to determine who is on offense first; instead, the visiting team is on offense first and home team on defense first for each round, similar to baseball."
However, section 2.2 contradicts that, stating, "The designated home team automatically gets, at the start of the game, to choose to kick off, receive or defer to the second half. There is no coin toss traditionally seen in other football leagues, or any opening scramble that was a hallmark of the original XFL. In the event of overtime, the visiting team will be given the choice of going first or second or selecting which end zone to attack (with the home team getting the other choice)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subject Matter Expert Supreme ( talk • contribs) 04:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
According to multiple reports on Twitter, the XFL has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. This is different from the bankruptcy that the Alliance of American Football declared, which was Chapter 7. It seems that under Chapter 11 there is an option to just reorganize the company, while Chapter 7 straight up sells off all assets. Does this prove the league has folded? Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
All personnel, including players, coaches, office workers, and the commissioner have been let go. Every reliable source describes the league as "shut down" and "folded". All also describe there being no plans for a return whatsoever. The article as written is out of touch with reality in using the present tense. The league is dead, as plainly stated in all reliable sources. Period. oknazevad ( talk) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
There’s a significant difference between Chapter 11 and Chapter Seven. The latter option, which the AAF pursued, entails complete and total liquidation of the business. The former keeps open the possibility of an eventual return, following reorganization of the business and handling of the debts.There is a difference between "suspending operations" and "ceasing operations", and the XFL has only done the former so far. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
a handful of executives remain employed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
References
Here it says "Since ceasing operations, multiple players from the eight-team league -- which was broadcast nationally on FOX, ESPN and ABC -- have gone on to sign with NFL teams." https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/football/the-rock-buys-xfl/95-b4248ffd-3434-4968-85a8-8e28f4d2908f One notable player who made headlines was P. J. Walker https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/carolina-panthers-sign-xfl-star-quarterback-pj-walker#:~:text=The%20Carolina%20Panthers%20signed%20XFL,first%20wave%20of%20free%20agency. The player storage is very relevant, as it also means that new players must be recruited. 2601:447:4080:10:D1BA:D4BB:85D2:BCF6 ( talk) 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Please accept that XFL's own newsroom is now acknowledging these reports with the words "less interested." 2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 ( talk) 15:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes they are "affiliated with the XFL" See their website. It is not direct, but in the form of journalism [ [4]]. 2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 ( talk) 15:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Which is why I typed "not direct." Read the top and you'll see they somehow manage to go beyond commentary and act like the organization's news source. I love how Eagles fan Kevin Hart and The Rock make a good tag team in movies, but I also want to know why it claims no affiliation when it acts like an affiliate at the same time. 2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 ( talk) 15:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Mike A posted this to the Teams page without any source:
“On December 23, 2021, it was reported by XFL owner Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson that the league will be getting new teams for the 2023 XFL reboot. Executives from the old teams from the failed AAF have been in talks with the league since then about a possible revival of some (or all) these teams.”
Can anyone verify these claims with a source? Guardian2023 ( talk) 01:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I don't know enough about the subject to fix this myself, but I think the content about the New York Jets is somebody poking fun at Jets fans. Just wanted to give someone a heads up. Amysisson ( talk) 23:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
The logo seems to have been removed from the page, what happened? Was it updated and the rights were not obtained? CanadianOntarian ( talk) 23:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Is XFL a major or minor sports league? SportsFan007 ( talk) 06:35, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW seems apparent here. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 19:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
– The current XFL qualifies as the primary topic per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. 2020 was a bad year to start anything but a conspiracy theory, and many were expecting the new XFL to fold as quickly as the first one, but the league has demonstrated that it has staying power and XFL pageview stats indicate that the XFL (2020) page gets far more views than the other XFL topics put together. I propose to simultaneously move XFL (2001) to XFL (defunct American football league) per WP:PRECISE because the average person is unlikely to know when either league was formed; therefore, using only the founding year as a qualifier is inadequate to differentiate it from the current league. Carguychris ( talk) 19:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
After formal announcement of the new teams names it impossible to connect between the former Tampa Bay Vipers to the new Orlando Guardians team. Now the question is do we need to start new articles for the Orlando Guardians and Vegas Vipers, or consider the "Vipers" and "Guardians" as relocating "franchises"? StanleyKey ( talk) 02:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi. The article gets a bit confusing by having info on the 2023 XFL Mixed in. I would suggest 2023 XFL Gets its own Wiki Page. They already have coaches & QBS Set. With ABC/ESPN TV Contracts set why not break off 2023 into its own page now & then streamline this page by removing 2023 info which has really nothing to do with the 2020 XFL. Thanks. 2603:7000:BE00:4B:C078:FE3D:6623:A21C ( talk) 03:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Proposal: Split out 2023 content from this page onto a fresh [XFL] page (as it is current) with a redirect from XFL (2023).
The league has now played a full regular season, and it seems clear at this point that the 2020 entity and the 2023 entity are not quite the same thing, even if the 2023 did capitalize on many aspects of the 2020 league, such as names and cities, it's a distinct model with distinct structure and distinct decisions, as well as distinct staff and players, in addition to distinct owners, rules, and practices. There is not any fundamental carryover from the previous to the current outside of branding. In addition, the current edition of the league refers to itself as "XFL 3.0," with the 2020 edition being referred to as "XFL 2.0" and so on.
- Keith D. Tyler ¶ 00:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
I do think we need move the XFL (2020) article to onto a fresh XFL page- the 2020 league doesn't lead the 2001 league in pageviews by a huge margin. I'd argue that WP:NOPRIMARY applies, and I'm the one who proposed the previous pagemove. Carguychris ( talk) 23:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
As opposite to the discussion above, I propose to merge the XFL (2001) and XFL (2020) articles. A majority of the history displayed in the 2001 article is already in the newer one. The league/company is the same, since McMahon purchased the remaining shares from NBC to form XFL 2020. Instead of proposing a split from every season, I think all XFL pages should be merged together.
Let's merge it into an "XFL" article.
Afrique0512 ( talk) 08:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Since the XFL is now considered a conference of the UFL, should the info box and teams section be updated to reflect the change such as the teams section referencing the 4 teams in the conference (with the four folded teams moved to the defunct franchise table). I only have my phone for editing so I’m probably not the best person for such a change. Thoughts? Db9780 ( talk) 03:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Considering opening an RM. This page should be re-named XFL (2020–23), IMHO. GoodDay ( talk) 18:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to XFL (2020–2023). Consensus on the alternate proposed title. – robertsky ( talk) 03:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
XFL (2020) → XFL (2020–23) – The league lasted only three years & then merged with the second incarnation of the USFL to form the UFL. Therefore the title should be book ended with a start & end year. GoodDay ( talk) 15:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Note for example: We have International Hockey League (1945–2001). -- GoodDay ( talk) 16:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
it's a mess right now. It's not actually a table. Someone messed up the formatting so all the info isn't in a table anymore. I don't know how to fix it RyanConnell5150 ( talk) 01:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)