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Wu Yue refers to an ancient kingdom in the past and this article does not give sources that suggest people around shanghai region are actual descendant of Wu Yue. To not get the readers confuse, I suggesting changing this to Wu People(corresponding to the language they spoke) or Jiangnan People or Jiangnanese People. -- Lennlin ( talk) 15:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, I think the latter option is the more feasible of the two. It's safe to say that the Wu region/Wuyue is a part of Jiangnan, and the Wuyue region does not include southern Zhejiang and parts of Northern Fujian. (Though they were a part of the Kingdom of Wuyue) Wuyue, by strict definition, is a part of Jiangnan, specifically refers to the area around Suzhou and Shaoxing, in reference to the capitals of the ancient kingdoms of Wu and Yue, which are largely Wu-speaking. Southern Wu speaking peoples should be separate from the Jiangnan people and have their own articles, such as Wenzhou, Quzhou, or Taizhou people. Taihu Wu dialect-speaking peoples are just as likely to call themselves Jiangnanese people as well as Wuyue people, if they were to group themselves as a Han regional subgroup. There are also non Wu-speaking Jiangnanese people, such as those in Nanjing who speak Jianghuai Mandarin. So in this article, it refers to Wu-speaking people of Jiangnan, who live in the Wuyue region. Bloodmerchant ( talk) 03:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
So there are three (basic) tiers of regional subgroups:
As you see Minnan have too much and we can't seriously make all of them. I suggest only make the important ones like Teochew, Hainan, Leizhou, Zhenan ,Southern Fujian (Hokkien/Standard Minnan)people and disregard making a Minnan People.
If you take the "Wu Speaking People" / "Min/Mandarin/Jin/Xiang/Gan/Hakka/Cantonese/Ping Speak People" then I will fully support it. it would work for every regional dialect. Whether or not it should be Wu Chinese People or Wu Speaking People, you make the choose because i'm fine with both-- Lennlin ( talk) 02:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm having bigggg problem with the "origin" section. It look like it's an article about Wuyue kingdom and it's history (let me remind that Chinese Wikipedia have no real sources). This is about Wu speaking people and their origin. So please I request anyone to change it and cite the proper sources otherwise I will remove them.-- LLTimes ( talk) 22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
There could be a mention of Jianghuai Mandarin speaking people, since in my guess, they were originally culturally economically and probably "ethnically" tied to the "Wu" culture. All before they got "mandarinized" > There used to be a Wu kingdom (Yangwu) around the Huai river, and having its capital at Yangzhou, what's more, there still is a substratum of Wu consonants soundings in Jianghuai mandarin, tilting towards some to be defined ties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.197.86 ( talk) 11:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Only one reference is offered, which doesn't even mention any ethnic group identifying as Wu or Wuyue, only the amount of speakers of the Wu language(s?) saɪm duʃan Talk| Contribs 09:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone outside of Wikipedia ever refer to these people as Wuyue? Wu is Suzhou. Yue is Shaoxing. They ain't the same. The people and cultures ain't the same. Afaik, China's never considered them the same. Add authoritative sources to this article, but comment at greater length at Talk:Wuyue culture which (afaik) isn't an actual Thing. — LlywelynII 13:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Similarly Wu people and Wu-speaking people both redirect here. Either is a more WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name than the current silly one. Move as soon as possible. — LlywelynII 14:22, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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Wu Yue refers to an ancient kingdom in the past and this article does not give sources that suggest people around shanghai region are actual descendant of Wu Yue. To not get the readers confuse, I suggesting changing this to Wu People(corresponding to the language they spoke) or Jiangnan People or Jiangnanese People. -- Lennlin ( talk) 15:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, I think the latter option is the more feasible of the two. It's safe to say that the Wu region/Wuyue is a part of Jiangnan, and the Wuyue region does not include southern Zhejiang and parts of Northern Fujian. (Though they were a part of the Kingdom of Wuyue) Wuyue, by strict definition, is a part of Jiangnan, specifically refers to the area around Suzhou and Shaoxing, in reference to the capitals of the ancient kingdoms of Wu and Yue, which are largely Wu-speaking. Southern Wu speaking peoples should be separate from the Jiangnan people and have their own articles, such as Wenzhou, Quzhou, or Taizhou people. Taihu Wu dialect-speaking peoples are just as likely to call themselves Jiangnanese people as well as Wuyue people, if they were to group themselves as a Han regional subgroup. There are also non Wu-speaking Jiangnanese people, such as those in Nanjing who speak Jianghuai Mandarin. So in this article, it refers to Wu-speaking people of Jiangnan, who live in the Wuyue region. Bloodmerchant ( talk) 03:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
So there are three (basic) tiers of regional subgroups:
As you see Minnan have too much and we can't seriously make all of them. I suggest only make the important ones like Teochew, Hainan, Leizhou, Zhenan ,Southern Fujian (Hokkien/Standard Minnan)people and disregard making a Minnan People.
If you take the "Wu Speaking People" / "Min/Mandarin/Jin/Xiang/Gan/Hakka/Cantonese/Ping Speak People" then I will fully support it. it would work for every regional dialect. Whether or not it should be Wu Chinese People or Wu Speaking People, you make the choose because i'm fine with both-- Lennlin ( talk) 02:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm having bigggg problem with the "origin" section. It look like it's an article about Wuyue kingdom and it's history (let me remind that Chinese Wikipedia have no real sources). This is about Wu speaking people and their origin. So please I request anyone to change it and cite the proper sources otherwise I will remove them.-- LLTimes ( talk) 22:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
There could be a mention of Jianghuai Mandarin speaking people, since in my guess, they were originally culturally economically and probably "ethnically" tied to the "Wu" culture. All before they got "mandarinized" > There used to be a Wu kingdom (Yangwu) around the Huai river, and having its capital at Yangzhou, what's more, there still is a substratum of Wu consonants soundings in Jianghuai mandarin, tilting towards some to be defined ties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.161.197.86 ( talk) 11:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Only one reference is offered, which doesn't even mention any ethnic group identifying as Wu or Wuyue, only the amount of speakers of the Wu language(s?) saɪm duʃan Talk| Contribs 09:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone outside of Wikipedia ever refer to these people as Wuyue? Wu is Suzhou. Yue is Shaoxing. They ain't the same. The people and cultures ain't the same. Afaik, China's never considered them the same. Add authoritative sources to this article, but comment at greater length at Talk:Wuyue culture which (afaik) isn't an actual Thing. — LlywelynII 13:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Similarly Wu people and Wu-speaking people both redirect here. Either is a more WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name than the current silly one. Move as soon as possible. — LlywelynII 14:22, 26 August 2023 (UTC)