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This page was created with source-supported sections which keep getting removed from the Capital punishment article, not as a content fork, but as a separate article to keep them online in main article space. -- James S. 19:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I know it might be hard to get facts and figures for the other countries with capital punishment such as the PRC, Iran etc but that could have some context within this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 ( talk) 10:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Does someone else think it might be good to have statistics on wrongful executions? E.g. how many death sentences are wrongful?
LinuxMercedes ( talk) 19:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd be stunned if you could find statistics about which people could come close to agreeing. atakdoug ( talk) 18:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The link to the "25 Cases" article at Capital Defense Weekly is broken, and can't find the article we're trying to link to. As this article seems to be the principal source for the information in the body of this page, can someone give a shot at finding it? atakdoug ( talk) 18:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I've now changed the link to be to an archived version of the page, but it could still be improved by finding the real source -- the link is to a draft only. atakdoug ( talk) 18:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
In adding to this page (as I assume some editors are going to do), do try to distinguish between executions that are wrongful because the person executed didn't commit the crime at all, and those that are wrongful because the conviction was in some other way unfair. Verifiable claims of the actual innocent of executed people appear to be exceedingly rare, and if you're going to say otherwise, be sure to back it up with solid facts. Even the two cases detailed in the article as it stands are not clear instances of actual innocence.
Remember: the death penalty may be cruel, inhumane, racially biased, or otherwise flawed, but that doesn't mean that the people executed didn't commit the crimes of which they were convicted. You can argue (though you shouldn't in a NPOV encyclopedia, but I'm not holding my breath in the expectation of a fully neutral page) that executions are wrongful even without a demonstration of actual innocence (as in cases of serious prosecutorial misconduct sufficient to obscure the facts, which therefore remain unknown), but at least try to be clear about what you're saying. atakdoug ( talk) 18:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support, Provided: that Judicial Murder as an article be eliminated when merged. Wrongful Execution is the neutral term for this sort of thing. Judicial murder implies that a murder took place, which requires intent to kill, etc... Cesium_133 ( talk) 08:57 6 March 2009 (UTC)
In [1], on October 14, 2009 South Carolina pardoned two men electrocuted on September 29, 1915. Simesa ( talk) 01:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Ronald Ryan was hanged in 1967 for the shooting death of a prison officer. There were no scientific ballistic forensics for evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, mysterious missing pieces of vital evidence that could have cleared Ryan, serious ambiguities in the case, dire inconsistencies of all fourteen eyewitnesses' for the prosecution, testimony by another prison officer that he fired one single shot (heard by all witnesses, no person heard two shots fired) and ballistic expert testimony that the fatal shot was fired from a distance at an elevated position in a downward trajectory angle, Ronald Ryan was convicted based solely on unrecorded unproven and unsigned allegations of verbals/confessions, said to have been made by Ryan to police. Ryan only signed documents that he would not give any verbal or written statements and always denied ever making such verbals/confessions to any person, claiming he had been "verballed". They both pleaded not guilty.Ronald Ryan was hanged less than one year later and seven days before his unfunded (Victorian Government withdrew all legal aid funding) final appeal to The Privy Council had made a decision. [1]
Confessions in itself, or another person’s interpretation of a one’s confession is not sufficient proof of guilt. Confessions are often the practice of forcing a person to behave in an involuntary manner whether through action or inaction by use of coercion, intimidation, trickery, creating feelings of guilt/obligation, or other forms of psychological pressure. Such actions are used as leverage to force a person to act in the desired way. [2] [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.64.166 ( talk) 01:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
References
"RALEIGH (August 18, 2010) The criminal convictions of three people who have since been executed in North Carolina, and four more cases in which the defendants are now on death row, are in doubt because of faulty lab work by the SBI, according to a new, scathing report written by former FBI agents who examined the troubled agency's blood work." [2] Ginger Conspiracy ( talk) 10:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
User Bepopalula has been running a biased campaign on these pages trying to include unnecessary information about the execution of Ronald Ryan. The information has been added to the following articles...
In all cases, the information is a rambling attempt to show that Ronald Ryan was wrongly convicted and executed. It is poorly written, badly cited, largely subjective, and does not belong in any of the articles it has been repeatedly put in to.
Bepopalula has repeatedly replaced the info, and his edit summary claim that my (and others') attempts to remove this are labelled as vandalism.
While preparing this response, I noticed that the concerns had already been raised previously with regard to user 93.185.104.30, who made identical changes to the exact same four pages.
Can administrators take note of my concerns and take appropriate action as needed.
Thanks--
Dmol (
talk) 04:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
In the "Specific Examples" section, it says, "Thomas Griffin and Meeks Griffen" However, they are brothers in their own article, with the same last name, "Griffin." Please fix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.196.21 ( talk) 18:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Does Troy Davis belong here? It is widely considered to have been a wrongful execution. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
"Innocence Project" deserves mention (link to wikipedia article) Ecstatist ( talk) 04:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The Texas case that came up when Rick Perry announced his bid for the presidency, the one with the white trash father who failed to rescue his kids from their burning home, what was the guy's name? He was executed and the case has drawn a lot of interest in particular because of the shitty investigative work involved (i.e. the investigator saying he was a "satanist" because he liked rock music and arsoned the house on purpose as part of a ritual, etc.) that was revealed by outside investigators, after the fact. -- 76.115.67.114 ( talk) 08:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
See the latest news story
http://www.inquisitr.com/236994/carlos-deluna-wrongfully-executed-in-texas-says-report/
Please update the article. This headline can be found on various sources online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.172.37 ( talk) 12:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
The following from the US section doesn't seem to have anything to do with wrongful executions: "A study shows that 3% of executions were "botched" in the U.S. Corrections officers watch and control the inmate before and during executions, including the tasks involved with aiding with the execution itself. Some depressed corrections officers suffer mental and physical health problems, become alcoholic, or even kill themselves, traumatized by the guilt of the wrongful or unnecessarily painful executions they administered" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.134.53 ( talk) 22:29, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
[3] 71.175.169.49 ( talk) 06:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for posting the link. I learned about this case from PBS TV and live in Ireland. I recall Gov. Perry being interviewed by the media following the execution of Willingham and the announcement by Forensic experts that Texas had executed an innocent man. Apparently his wife had long thought him innocent but publicly announced as the execution approached that she was now sure he was guilty. As Willingham was about to suffer the lethal injection, he saw his wife amongst the DP witnesses and let forth a torrent of abuse against her.
When Perry was being interviewed about the prospect that a totally innocent man had been executed, Perry said something to the effect of "He deserved to be executed. Did you hear what he called his wife"? According to the newslink furnished by yourself, it appears that the ultimate decision as to whether to pardon Willingham rests with Perry. I have little confidence that this will happen with a Governor who can justify executing a man because he verbally abused his wife. 80.111.155.138 ( talk) 20:35, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Footnote 1 of this law article explains that "wrongful" in "wrongful execution" has a somewhat different meaning from other legal contexts.
Wikipedia usage is varied ( All pages with titles containing wrongful and All pages with titles containing wrongfully and wrongful)
jnestorius( talk) 12:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Although some still regard him as guilty, I think there’s enough good reason to justify adding Bruno Richard Hauptmann to the United States examples. Hauptmann was a German immigrant carpenter. He was accused, convicted, and executed for the infamous Lindbergh kidnapping. But I, for one, believe that they framed him. I think he was completely innocent of the crime.
I think his ex-roommate, Isidor Fisch, was an accomplice to the crime, which is how Hauptmann ended up caught in the snare. But I believe Hauptmann himself genuinely had nothing to do it.
And I’m far from the only person to hold this opinion. Many books (and even a movie) have argued for Hauptmann’s innocence, and I think they are correct.
Anyway, if no one has any objection, I would like to add a brief mention of Hauptmann’s case in this article, sometime soon. It wouldn’t be more than about three sentences long. Thegoldenconciseencyclopediaofmammals ( talk) 21:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Larry Griffin (September 23, 1954 - June 21, 1995) - was a man accused of killing 19-year-old Quintin Moss. Moss was killed in a drive-by shooting while allegedly dealing drugs on a street corner. The alleged crime happened in Saint Louis, Missouri, on June 26, 1980 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. On June 21, 1995, the State of Missouri executed Griffin by lethal injection. He is one of the few people who were put to death soley based on the testimony of a single sole witness who had been at the crime scene.
The testimony against Larry Griffin came from Robert Fitzgerald, a career criminal from Boston. The testimony had loopholes since when the crime occurred Fitzgerald was not in Griffin's proximity!!!
-The Apostle of Ecumenism 145.82.14.11 ( talk) 16:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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This page was created with source-supported sections which keep getting removed from the Capital punishment article, not as a content fork, but as a separate article to keep them online in main article space. -- James S. 19:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I know it might be hard to get facts and figures for the other countries with capital punishment such as the PRC, Iran etc but that could have some context within this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 ( talk) 10:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Does someone else think it might be good to have statistics on wrongful executions? E.g. how many death sentences are wrongful?
LinuxMercedes ( talk) 19:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd be stunned if you could find statistics about which people could come close to agreeing. atakdoug ( talk) 18:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The link to the "25 Cases" article at Capital Defense Weekly is broken, and can't find the article we're trying to link to. As this article seems to be the principal source for the information in the body of this page, can someone give a shot at finding it? atakdoug ( talk) 18:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I've now changed the link to be to an archived version of the page, but it could still be improved by finding the real source -- the link is to a draft only. atakdoug ( talk) 18:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
In adding to this page (as I assume some editors are going to do), do try to distinguish between executions that are wrongful because the person executed didn't commit the crime at all, and those that are wrongful because the conviction was in some other way unfair. Verifiable claims of the actual innocent of executed people appear to be exceedingly rare, and if you're going to say otherwise, be sure to back it up with solid facts. Even the two cases detailed in the article as it stands are not clear instances of actual innocence.
Remember: the death penalty may be cruel, inhumane, racially biased, or otherwise flawed, but that doesn't mean that the people executed didn't commit the crimes of which they were convicted. You can argue (though you shouldn't in a NPOV encyclopedia, but I'm not holding my breath in the expectation of a fully neutral page) that executions are wrongful even without a demonstration of actual innocence (as in cases of serious prosecutorial misconduct sufficient to obscure the facts, which therefore remain unknown), but at least try to be clear about what you're saying. atakdoug ( talk) 18:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Strong Support, Provided: that Judicial Murder as an article be eliminated when merged. Wrongful Execution is the neutral term for this sort of thing. Judicial murder implies that a murder took place, which requires intent to kill, etc... Cesium_133 ( talk) 08:57 6 March 2009 (UTC)
In [1], on October 14, 2009 South Carolina pardoned two men electrocuted on September 29, 1915. Simesa ( talk) 01:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Ronald Ryan was hanged in 1967 for the shooting death of a prison officer. There were no scientific ballistic forensics for evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, mysterious missing pieces of vital evidence that could have cleared Ryan, serious ambiguities in the case, dire inconsistencies of all fourteen eyewitnesses' for the prosecution, testimony by another prison officer that he fired one single shot (heard by all witnesses, no person heard two shots fired) and ballistic expert testimony that the fatal shot was fired from a distance at an elevated position in a downward trajectory angle, Ronald Ryan was convicted based solely on unrecorded unproven and unsigned allegations of verbals/confessions, said to have been made by Ryan to police. Ryan only signed documents that he would not give any verbal or written statements and always denied ever making such verbals/confessions to any person, claiming he had been "verballed". They both pleaded not guilty.Ronald Ryan was hanged less than one year later and seven days before his unfunded (Victorian Government withdrew all legal aid funding) final appeal to The Privy Council had made a decision. [1]
Confessions in itself, or another person’s interpretation of a one’s confession is not sufficient proof of guilt. Confessions are often the practice of forcing a person to behave in an involuntary manner whether through action or inaction by use of coercion, intimidation, trickery, creating feelings of guilt/obligation, or other forms of psychological pressure. Such actions are used as leverage to force a person to act in the desired way. [2] [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.64.166 ( talk) 01:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
References
"RALEIGH (August 18, 2010) The criminal convictions of three people who have since been executed in North Carolina, and four more cases in which the defendants are now on death row, are in doubt because of faulty lab work by the SBI, according to a new, scathing report written by former FBI agents who examined the troubled agency's blood work." [2] Ginger Conspiracy ( talk) 10:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
User Bepopalula has been running a biased campaign on these pages trying to include unnecessary information about the execution of Ronald Ryan. The information has been added to the following articles...
In all cases, the information is a rambling attempt to show that Ronald Ryan was wrongly convicted and executed. It is poorly written, badly cited, largely subjective, and does not belong in any of the articles it has been repeatedly put in to.
Bepopalula has repeatedly replaced the info, and his edit summary claim that my (and others') attempts to remove this are labelled as vandalism.
While preparing this response, I noticed that the concerns had already been raised previously with regard to user 93.185.104.30, who made identical changes to the exact same four pages.
Can administrators take note of my concerns and take appropriate action as needed.
Thanks--
Dmol (
talk) 04:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
In the "Specific Examples" section, it says, "Thomas Griffin and Meeks Griffen" However, they are brothers in their own article, with the same last name, "Griffin." Please fix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.196.21 ( talk) 18:49, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Does Troy Davis belong here? It is widely considered to have been a wrongful execution. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
"Innocence Project" deserves mention (link to wikipedia article) Ecstatist ( talk) 04:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The Texas case that came up when Rick Perry announced his bid for the presidency, the one with the white trash father who failed to rescue his kids from their burning home, what was the guy's name? He was executed and the case has drawn a lot of interest in particular because of the shitty investigative work involved (i.e. the investigator saying he was a "satanist" because he liked rock music and arsoned the house on purpose as part of a ritual, etc.) that was revealed by outside investigators, after the fact. -- 76.115.67.114 ( talk) 08:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
See the latest news story
http://www.inquisitr.com/236994/carlos-deluna-wrongfully-executed-in-texas-says-report/
Please update the article. This headline can be found on various sources online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.172.37 ( talk) 12:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
The following from the US section doesn't seem to have anything to do with wrongful executions: "A study shows that 3% of executions were "botched" in the U.S. Corrections officers watch and control the inmate before and during executions, including the tasks involved with aiding with the execution itself. Some depressed corrections officers suffer mental and physical health problems, become alcoholic, or even kill themselves, traumatized by the guilt of the wrongful or unnecessarily painful executions they administered" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.134.53 ( talk) 22:29, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
[3] 71.175.169.49 ( talk) 06:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for posting the link. I learned about this case from PBS TV and live in Ireland. I recall Gov. Perry being interviewed by the media following the execution of Willingham and the announcement by Forensic experts that Texas had executed an innocent man. Apparently his wife had long thought him innocent but publicly announced as the execution approached that she was now sure he was guilty. As Willingham was about to suffer the lethal injection, he saw his wife amongst the DP witnesses and let forth a torrent of abuse against her.
When Perry was being interviewed about the prospect that a totally innocent man had been executed, Perry said something to the effect of "He deserved to be executed. Did you hear what he called his wife"? According to the newslink furnished by yourself, it appears that the ultimate decision as to whether to pardon Willingham rests with Perry. I have little confidence that this will happen with a Governor who can justify executing a man because he verbally abused his wife. 80.111.155.138 ( talk) 20:35, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Footnote 1 of this law article explains that "wrongful" in "wrongful execution" has a somewhat different meaning from other legal contexts.
Wikipedia usage is varied ( All pages with titles containing wrongful and All pages with titles containing wrongfully and wrongful)
jnestorius( talk) 12:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Although some still regard him as guilty, I think there’s enough good reason to justify adding Bruno Richard Hauptmann to the United States examples. Hauptmann was a German immigrant carpenter. He was accused, convicted, and executed for the infamous Lindbergh kidnapping. But I, for one, believe that they framed him. I think he was completely innocent of the crime.
I think his ex-roommate, Isidor Fisch, was an accomplice to the crime, which is how Hauptmann ended up caught in the snare. But I believe Hauptmann himself genuinely had nothing to do it.
And I’m far from the only person to hold this opinion. Many books (and even a movie) have argued for Hauptmann’s innocence, and I think they are correct.
Anyway, if no one has any objection, I would like to add a brief mention of Hauptmann’s case in this article, sometime soon. It wouldn’t be more than about three sentences long. Thegoldenconciseencyclopediaofmammals ( talk) 21:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Larry Griffin (September 23, 1954 - June 21, 1995) - was a man accused of killing 19-year-old Quintin Moss. Moss was killed in a drive-by shooting while allegedly dealing drugs on a street corner. The alleged crime happened in Saint Louis, Missouri, on June 26, 1980 [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. On June 21, 1995, the State of Missouri executed Griffin by lethal injection. He is one of the few people who were put to death soley based on the testimony of a single sole witness who had been at the crime scene.
The testimony against Larry Griffin came from Robert Fitzgerald, a career criminal from Boston. The testimony had loopholes since when the crime occurred Fitzgerald was not in Griffin's proximity!!!
-The Apostle of Ecumenism 145.82.14.11 ( talk) 16:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)