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I merged information from the Love Field article to give background for this article. Perhaps now, on the Love Field page, the sections dealing with the Wright Amendment should be redirected here.
--- Yetiwriter
In the context of the story, the last part of the following sentence appears unnecessary and therefore not within NPOV. In addition American could be expected to charge what the market will bear (whatever that means). A subtle reworking of the previous sentence would make this story sound more along NPOV guidelines. Also, in a previous iteration of this article, Southwest was accused of much the same at Love Field. They concede that American's fares are often higher than from other airports, but American insists that they are only charging what the market will bear.
lots of issues | leave me a message 08:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
There are several examples of biased language in this article. At the moment, I would say that the article has a pro-Southwest slant. See [1] for more on this. Kelly Martin 21:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
As the repeal debate is currently ongoing, I have added the current events tag to the page. Please leave this on there until the repeal debate is settled. Thanks! ALKIVAR ™ 22:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
How about the status of the NPOV tag? Does anyone still feel that the article does not take a neutral POV? If so, what is still wrong with it?
As far as the Current Events tag... I think it probably doesn't belong on this article. The template says, "Events could change rapidly," and that's not really the case with this issue — it's not an hour-by-hour changing thing, it's something that might change slightly over the next few months, which is the case with a lot of non-current-event articles in the Wikipedia. I'm going to remove the tag for now. — Cleared as filed. 20:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not as experienced as you folks, but this seems extremely neutral to me. I have an extensive database of information on the subject (and can point people to original sources, if necessary). What's the sticking point?-- 68.94.195.239 22:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
This is just a notice that I plan to be adding new information on this topic in the near future. I've recently found a link to Herb Kelleher's testimony before the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee's Subcommittee on Aviation this past November. I won't be adding, or even quoting excerpts from this very much, because obviously it's SWA's POV on the Wright Ammendment. It does, however, contain a fairly good legal history surrounding Love Field, SWA, and the lead up to the Wright Ammendment. It also contains legal references to court cases.
It's these court cases I plan to research, and hopefully neutralize the language around the decisions, so we have a clearer picture about who was alleging what. It's pretty old case files, though, and I don't think I'll be able to access very much over the internet. So, it may take me some time. I'm posting the link here as a heads-up, and in case anyone else can help research these cases. InkSplotch( talk) 20:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
I reverted today to remove some gibberish, and also removed your addition as well. I just wanted to say, I don't consider what you added to be gibberish or vandalism, but it did seem to me to be guessing at motives and I didn't feel it appropriate for an article. However, I could be wrong, and if you feel it best to replace it I won't revert a second time. -- InkSplotch 21:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I have restored the Current event tag; Congress may act before or after the November, 2006 election. We shall see. ProfessorPaul 04:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Since the amendment has now passed and Southwest and American are now offering connecting service perhaps the current event template should be removed? 168.166.196.40 22:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the photo needed banner on this page. There is no need for a photo regarding an amendment. Chad 21:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure AA was already operating at Love Field before Legend came around in 2000. Continental (or a regional variety thereof) had started operating flights from Love to their Cleveland hub, using regional jets to get around the 56 passenger limit. Shortly thereafter, AA started flying Fokker 100s between Love Field and Austin (while at the same time, IIRC, suing CO to stop their flights). I'm not sure how the Austin flights were supposed to compete with CO's Cleveland flights, except maybe for available gate space (I sort of recall AA horning in on the gates). I can't remember the exact time frame when all this happened, I want to say it was 1998 or '99. In fact I would've thought AA had given up and pulled out of Love Field by the time Legend started up. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
To compete with Legend Airlines, American did fly 56 seat Fokker 100 from Love Field. The usual seating capacity was 100-107 but there was a 56 seat limit from Love Field. Sorry it took more than 10 years to answer your question. Vanguard10 ( talk) 06:06, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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Well written, extensive. needs an image or two.. drumguy8800 C T 07:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
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This article is unclear if there is a full repeal or just repeal on routes. The 2006 amendment allows only 20 gates. Isn't this still the case? If not, then Delta Air Lines wouldn't be in court but would simply build gates. There is the old Legend Terminal that has gates except the jetways have been removed to comply with the 20 gate limit.
Summary: is the 20 gate limit of the 2006 amendment still in effect or repealed? Vanguard10 ( talk) 06:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I've been doing a bunch of research about Alliance (AFW) and I cannot find specific published sources to back up the claims that DFW lacked capacity as a whole, or that AFW was ever seriously proposed as an alternative reliever passenger airport to DFW. I have found ample claims from the late 1980s and 1990s that DFW and/or the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex in general would run out of runway capacity if more runways were not built, but 2 runways were subsequently built at DFW (17L/35R and 18R/36L). I've found lots of published speculation in the early 1990s that air traffic control would be unable to deal with greater traffic volumes in the choke point NE of DFW and NW of Love, but this seems to have been mitigated by later upgrades to the ATC system. Lastly, I've found discussion of a third all-new reliever airport to be built in an undetermined location, possibly near Waxahachie or Corsicana to the south, but this talk peters out by the late 1990s. I've found one claim that the 1996 Alliance study exists ( https://www.cnbc.com/id/43714139) but nothing in the local news media, who were generally unabashed about covering Wright debates down to the minutia, and surely would not have left this study undissected. Lastly, Ft. Worth city leaders adamantly go on the record denying that AFW passenger service was ever seriously considered. What gives? Can someone shed light on this? Carguychris ( talk) 22:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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I merged information from the Love Field article to give background for this article. Perhaps now, on the Love Field page, the sections dealing with the Wright Amendment should be redirected here.
--- Yetiwriter
In the context of the story, the last part of the following sentence appears unnecessary and therefore not within NPOV. In addition American could be expected to charge what the market will bear (whatever that means). A subtle reworking of the previous sentence would make this story sound more along NPOV guidelines. Also, in a previous iteration of this article, Southwest was accused of much the same at Love Field. They concede that American's fares are often higher than from other airports, but American insists that they are only charging what the market will bear.
lots of issues | leave me a message 08:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
There are several examples of biased language in this article. At the moment, I would say that the article has a pro-Southwest slant. See [1] for more on this. Kelly Martin 21:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
As the repeal debate is currently ongoing, I have added the current events tag to the page. Please leave this on there until the repeal debate is settled. Thanks! ALKIVAR ™ 22:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
How about the status of the NPOV tag? Does anyone still feel that the article does not take a neutral POV? If so, what is still wrong with it?
As far as the Current Events tag... I think it probably doesn't belong on this article. The template says, "Events could change rapidly," and that's not really the case with this issue — it's not an hour-by-hour changing thing, it's something that might change slightly over the next few months, which is the case with a lot of non-current-event articles in the Wikipedia. I'm going to remove the tag for now. — Cleared as filed. 20:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not as experienced as you folks, but this seems extremely neutral to me. I have an extensive database of information on the subject (and can point people to original sources, if necessary). What's the sticking point?-- 68.94.195.239 22:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
This is just a notice that I plan to be adding new information on this topic in the near future. I've recently found a link to Herb Kelleher's testimony before the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee's Subcommittee on Aviation this past November. I won't be adding, or even quoting excerpts from this very much, because obviously it's SWA's POV on the Wright Ammendment. It does, however, contain a fairly good legal history surrounding Love Field, SWA, and the lead up to the Wright Ammendment. It also contains legal references to court cases.
It's these court cases I plan to research, and hopefully neutralize the language around the decisions, so we have a clearer picture about who was alleging what. It's pretty old case files, though, and I don't think I'll be able to access very much over the internet. So, it may take me some time. I'm posting the link here as a heads-up, and in case anyone else can help research these cases. InkSplotch( talk) 20:47, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
I reverted today to remove some gibberish, and also removed your addition as well. I just wanted to say, I don't consider what you added to be gibberish or vandalism, but it did seem to me to be guessing at motives and I didn't feel it appropriate for an article. However, I could be wrong, and if you feel it best to replace it I won't revert a second time. -- InkSplotch 21:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I have restored the Current event tag; Congress may act before or after the November, 2006 election. We shall see. ProfessorPaul 04:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Since the amendment has now passed and Southwest and American are now offering connecting service perhaps the current event template should be removed? 168.166.196.40 22:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the photo needed banner on this page. There is no need for a photo regarding an amendment. Chad 21:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure AA was already operating at Love Field before Legend came around in 2000. Continental (or a regional variety thereof) had started operating flights from Love to their Cleveland hub, using regional jets to get around the 56 passenger limit. Shortly thereafter, AA started flying Fokker 100s between Love Field and Austin (while at the same time, IIRC, suing CO to stop their flights). I'm not sure how the Austin flights were supposed to compete with CO's Cleveland flights, except maybe for available gate space (I sort of recall AA horning in on the gates). I can't remember the exact time frame when all this happened, I want to say it was 1998 or '99. In fact I would've thought AA had given up and pulled out of Love Field by the time Legend started up. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
To compete with Legend Airlines, American did fly 56 seat Fokker 100 from Love Field. The usual seating capacity was 100-107 but there was a 56 seat limit from Love Field. Sorry it took more than 10 years to answer your question. Vanguard10 ( talk) 06:06, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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Well written, extensive. needs an image or two.. drumguy8800 C T 07:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
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This article is unclear if there is a full repeal or just repeal on routes. The 2006 amendment allows only 20 gates. Isn't this still the case? If not, then Delta Air Lines wouldn't be in court but would simply build gates. There is the old Legend Terminal that has gates except the jetways have been removed to comply with the 20 gate limit.
Summary: is the 20 gate limit of the 2006 amendment still in effect or repealed? Vanguard10 ( talk) 06:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I've been doing a bunch of research about Alliance (AFW) and I cannot find specific published sources to back up the claims that DFW lacked capacity as a whole, or that AFW was ever seriously proposed as an alternative reliever passenger airport to DFW. I have found ample claims from the late 1980s and 1990s that DFW and/or the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex in general would run out of runway capacity if more runways were not built, but 2 runways were subsequently built at DFW (17L/35R and 18R/36L). I've found lots of published speculation in the early 1990s that air traffic control would be unable to deal with greater traffic volumes in the choke point NE of DFW and NW of Love, but this seems to have been mitigated by later upgrades to the ATC system. Lastly, I've found discussion of a third all-new reliever airport to be built in an undetermined location, possibly near Waxahachie or Corsicana to the south, but this talk peters out by the late 1990s. I've found one claim that the 1996 Alliance study exists ( https://www.cnbc.com/id/43714139) but nothing in the local news media, who were generally unabashed about covering Wright debates down to the minutia, and surely would not have left this study undissected. Lastly, Ft. Worth city leaders adamantly go on the record denying that AFW passenger service was ever seriously considered. What gives? Can someone shed light on this? Carguychris ( talk) 22:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)