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I don't know if this should be mentioned or not, but the album art is similar to
Freak Out! by the Mothers of Invention with the speech bubbles and what not. The title of the album is also the same as one of the songs save for spelling. I guess it could be coincidence, but I thought it was at least worth mentioning.
Krazykillaz (
talk) 00:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Yea I'm thinking that too it seems like a homage to frank zappa —Preceding
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Separate the genres in the infobox using bullet points instead of commas
Done
"on April 11, 1995 by" → "on April 11, 1995, by"
Fixed
"Most of the album was" → "Most of it was"
Done
"had worked on" → "had previously worked on" to avoid the impression that they started work on the album then scrapped for this one
Agreed, fixed
"returning them to the" → "marking a return to the" to be less repetitive
Done
"their second album" → "their second studio album,"
Replaced with "their second 1994 studio album" instead because I think it's more consistent with the rest of the article.
Isn't that wording a little confusing for the lead though since it sounds like the album was the band's second that year? --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Removed the word "second" as I think it bloats the sentence for no apparent reason. The word "after" (in the same sentence) already implies that Crooked Rain is their second studio album.
Add release year of the album in brackets
See above comment
"The album's eclectic nature" → "The former's eclectic nature"
Done
"while its lyrics explore" → "while the lyrics generally explore"
Done
"Wowee Zowee is Pavement's longest" → "it is Pavement's longest" but the longest "fact" is completely unsourced
It should now be sourced in the Background and recording section
It is now, good job! --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"who generally deemed it a sloppy effort when compared" → "being generally deemed as a sloppy effort in comparison"
Done
Maybe mention what was praised by some critics too since the album's reviews were mixed?
Highlighted adventurous style and Malkmus' lyricism
Neat addition! --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Mention that they were released as singles during 1995
Done
"but none was successful." → "but neither were successful."
Fixed
"Although the album is notable for" → "Despite being notable for"
Done
"it has retrospectively been" → "Wowee Zowee has retrospectively been"
Done
"and ranking it 265th on its" → "and giving a ranking of 265th on the magazine's"
Simplified with "and including it in the magazine's". I think it flows better --
Niwi3 (
talk) 14:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
I don't think you should use "it" twice in the same sentence for the album --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Removed the "masterpiece" bit.
Background and recording
The "follow-up" and "highly acclaimed" parts aren't sourced, unless [2] mentions them? If not, write that Pavement released their second studio album Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain on February 14, 1994 and keep the poll ranking
Being ranked No. 2 in the Pazz & Jop critics' poll means it was pretty acclaimed to me. I deleted the "highly" part, though. I also added a source to back up the release date.
I am aware of the level of ranking that the critics' poll is, so I believe "acclaimed" itself is appropriate language here now. --
K. Peake 19:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"ranked No. 2 in" → "ranked number two in" per
MOS:NUM
Fixed
The release date of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain needs to be mentioned for the months later to be used as a source for recording date, plus is it eight months later an error or the infobox date since the latter is nine months later?
The source says eight months, but I wouldn't take it too literally. It is when the band decided to record the album in Memphis, not when the recording sessions actually started. The infobox is sourced to the CD liner notes.
Shouldn't you mention the recording dates in prose then add that as a source afterwards since refs in infoboxes are generally discouraged? --
K. Peake 19:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"the band recorded many" → "Pavement recorded many"
Done
"and let Malkmus sing them," → "for Malkmus to sing,"
Done
"The band really enjoyed" → "Pavement really enjoyed"
Done
"to eat barbecue" is not specific; "to eat at barbecues" or "to eat barbecue food" would be preferred wording probably, but I can't view the source so I don't know which it is most reflective of
The source literally says "to eat barbecue", but I agree that "to eat at barbecues" sounds better
[4] should only be invoked after the second of the last two sentences in the para
Removed first instance
"where the band recorded" → "where they recorded"
Done
"the previous albums," → "their previous albums,"
Done
"B-sides by the band." → "
B-sides by Pavement." with the pipe
Done
"were included in the album," → "were included on the album,"
The part about everything making sense does not appear to be sourced in connection to the album
It's sourced to a RS article in the next sentence. Malkmus says: "In my mind, it all fit together." --
Niwi3 (
talk) 18:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
I did check the source, must have not read through it properly; that part works actually. --
K. Peake 19:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Music and lyrics
"side of the band," → "side of Pavement,"
Done
Apart from a return to their early recordings, the remainder of the sentence is unsourced
Replaced "traditional rock" with "accessible" and backed it up with an extra source
Unusual structures appears to be sourced, while rhythm does not
Replaced rhythms with "disjointed musical styles" and backed it up with an extra source
Write noise rock to be clear
Done
"on some tracks like" → "on some tracks, like"
Done
"that is reminiscent" → "that was described as reminiscent" unless you can add multiple sources saying it is reminscent of this
Done
Remove obvious wikilink on piano
Done
The Gibson SG info is not sourced
It is. On page 90, the source says: "...a red Gibson SG Standard with P-90 pickups. Malkmus used it to play the solo on Rattled by the Rush..."
"The album cover is" → "The cover art for Wowee Zowee is"
Done
I don't think "copied it" is correct language when the source says he interpreted the photograph
Replaced with "caricatured it"
"It depicts two" → "The original depicts two"
"It" refers to Keene's painting, not the original photograph
"Omitted from Keene's copy of the photograph" → "Omitted from Keene's photograph" but is this part really notable?
I think it's useful because it gives more context to the photograph. Also, I replaced the word "copy" with "caricature" as I think it's more accurate
This info can be kept, but I removed "caricature" from this sentence as we already know he did a version of the photograph. --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply
[18] should be solely at the end of the para because it is used for all sentences after the first two
Kept the first instance because it comes right after quotation marks, but removed the other two
"a cover that he had" → "one that he had" to be less repetitive
Done
"an homage to" → "a homage to"
Fixed
"potential title for the album," → "potential title for Wowee Zowee,"
Done
Mention that Cocksucker Blues is a film and add the release year in brackets
Added documentary film but omitted its year of release because the source doesn't mention any year; it looks like the film was never released.
"on April 11, 1995 by" → "on April 11, 1995, by"
Fixed
"Fellaheen Records in Australia, and" → "Fellaheen Records in Australia, while it was released by"
Reworded the whole sentence to: "Big Cat Records and Domino Records issued the album in Europe, Fellaheen Records released it in Australia, and King and Pony Canyon released it in Japan." I think it flows much better that way.
That is mostly fine, though I reworded slightly to stop overusage of "the album". --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"March 30, 1995 and June 27, 1995," → "March 30 and June 27, 1995,"
Done
[3] should only be invoked at the end of the para after [19], as all of the info from then onwards is backed up by it
Kept one extra instance for the quotation marks
"To promote the album, the band" →"To promote Wowee Zowee, Pavement"
Done
"in summer 1995," → "in the summer of 1995,"
Done
"was the highest" → "became the highest"
Fixed
"the band performed a few" → "they performed a few"
Done
"Japan and the US." → "Japan, and the US." per American English
Fixed
At least mention the UK and New Zealand chart positions here since they are definitely high enough to be notable for prose
Done
Critical reception
"received mixed reviews from" → "was met with mixed reviews from"
Done
"claiming that Pavement" → "depicting that Pavement"
In my opinion, "Claiming" is absolutely fine here, way better than "depicting".
""Grounded" and "Kennel District"" → ""Grounded", and "Kennel District""
Fixed
"Pavement" and that the band does not" → "Pavement", and believed the band does not"
Done
"continues the tradition."" → "continues the tradition"." per
MOS:QUOTE
Fixed
"and that Kannberg "sometimes" → "and Kannberg "sometimes"
Fixed
"as his colleagues."" → "as his colleagues"."
Fixed
"but citicized Malkmus'" → "while criticizing Malkmus'" though this review should be the first of the third para since it's less negative
The third paragraph is quite long already, and the Spin review is actually more mixed than positive. I think it's fine to have it at the end of the second paragraph.
"the effort and details."" → "the effort and details"."
Done
Mention the name of the CMJ New Music Monthly review if known; otherwise, attribute it to the staff of the publication
Done
"that it requires several listens to be appreciated." → "that several listens are required for appreciation."
Done
"praising the band for" → "praising Pavement for"
Done
Cut down the amount directly quoted from Christgau per
WP:QUOTEFARM
"the album had sold" → "the album has sold" plus mention this as worldwide or a specific country if the source tells us
"had" is correct because 2009 is past (I changed the date from 2010 to June 2009 after double-checking the source, though). I also added "according to
Nielsen SoundScan".
I used by instead since this is more appropriate language to accompany had --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"the band decided to" → "Pavement decided to"
Done
"for their next album," → "for their next studio album" and add the release year in brackets
Done
"and consideres it" → "and considers it"
Fixed
"cryptic world view."" → "cryptic world view"." per MOS:QUOTE
Fixed
"discography" and that the band" → "discography", assuming the band"
Done
"them at first."" → "them at first"."
Fixed
"that the album was" → "that the former was"
Done
"successful Matador releases such as" → "successful Matador releases, such as"
Done
"and behind the band's debut," → "and behind Pavement's debut studio album" and mention the release year
WP:OVERLINK of Matador Records on ref 19 and cite as publisher instead
Done
WP:OVERLINK of The Village Voice on ref 26
Cite AllMusic as publisher instead for ref 30
Done
WP:OVERLINK of Rob Sheffield on ref 31
WP:OVERLINK of The Ringer on ref 36
WP:OVERLINK states that "Citations stand alone in their usage, so there is no problem with repeating the same link in many citations within an article" --
Niwi3 (
talk) 20:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)reply
External links
Good
Final comments and verdict
On hold until all of the issues are fixed; quicker review than I thought I'd do! --
K. Peake 18:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your review. I think I have fixed all the issue you have raised and left some comments above. Please let me know if there is anything else that needs to be fixed. --
Niwi3 (
talk) 20:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Niwi3✓Pass, did some copy editing which I left comments about at points above, but this is ready now! --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply
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I don't know if this should be mentioned or not, but the album art is similar to
Freak Out! by the Mothers of Invention with the speech bubbles and what not. The title of the album is also the same as one of the songs save for spelling. I guess it could be coincidence, but I thought it was at least worth mentioning.
Krazykillaz (
talk) 00:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Yea I'm thinking that too it seems like a homage to frank zappa —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
96.241.56.217 (
talk) 05:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply
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Separate the genres in the infobox using bullet points instead of commas
Done
"on April 11, 1995 by" → "on April 11, 1995, by"
Fixed
"Most of the album was" → "Most of it was"
Done
"had worked on" → "had previously worked on" to avoid the impression that they started work on the album then scrapped for this one
Agreed, fixed
"returning them to the" → "marking a return to the" to be less repetitive
Done
"their second album" → "their second studio album,"
Replaced with "their second 1994 studio album" instead because I think it's more consistent with the rest of the article.
Isn't that wording a little confusing for the lead though since it sounds like the album was the band's second that year? --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Removed the word "second" as I think it bloats the sentence for no apparent reason. The word "after" (in the same sentence) already implies that Crooked Rain is their second studio album.
Add release year of the album in brackets
See above comment
"The album's eclectic nature" → "The former's eclectic nature"
Done
"while its lyrics explore" → "while the lyrics generally explore"
Done
"Wowee Zowee is Pavement's longest" → "it is Pavement's longest" but the longest "fact" is completely unsourced
It should now be sourced in the Background and recording section
It is now, good job! --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"who generally deemed it a sloppy effort when compared" → "being generally deemed as a sloppy effort in comparison"
Done
Maybe mention what was praised by some critics too since the album's reviews were mixed?
Highlighted adventurous style and Malkmus' lyricism
Neat addition! --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Mention that they were released as singles during 1995
Done
"but none was successful." → "but neither were successful."
Fixed
"Although the album is notable for" → "Despite being notable for"
Done
"it has retrospectively been" → "Wowee Zowee has retrospectively been"
Done
"and ranking it 265th on its" → "and giving a ranking of 265th on the magazine's"
Simplified with "and including it in the magazine's". I think it flows better --
Niwi3 (
talk) 14:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
I don't think you should use "it" twice in the same sentence for the album --
K. Peake 20:59, 12 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Removed the "masterpiece" bit.
Background and recording
The "follow-up" and "highly acclaimed" parts aren't sourced, unless [2] mentions them? If not, write that Pavement released their second studio album Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain on February 14, 1994 and keep the poll ranking
Being ranked No. 2 in the Pazz & Jop critics' poll means it was pretty acclaimed to me. I deleted the "highly" part, though. I also added a source to back up the release date.
I am aware of the level of ranking that the critics' poll is, so I believe "acclaimed" itself is appropriate language here now. --
K. Peake 19:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"ranked No. 2 in" → "ranked number two in" per
MOS:NUM
Fixed
The release date of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain needs to be mentioned for the months later to be used as a source for recording date, plus is it eight months later an error or the infobox date since the latter is nine months later?
The source says eight months, but I wouldn't take it too literally. It is when the band decided to record the album in Memphis, not when the recording sessions actually started. The infobox is sourced to the CD liner notes.
Shouldn't you mention the recording dates in prose then add that as a source afterwards since refs in infoboxes are generally discouraged? --
K. Peake 19:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"the band recorded many" → "Pavement recorded many"
Done
"and let Malkmus sing them," → "for Malkmus to sing,"
Done
"The band really enjoyed" → "Pavement really enjoyed"
Done
"to eat barbecue" is not specific; "to eat at barbecues" or "to eat barbecue food" would be preferred wording probably, but I can't view the source so I don't know which it is most reflective of
The source literally says "to eat barbecue", but I agree that "to eat at barbecues" sounds better
[4] should only be invoked after the second of the last two sentences in the para
Removed first instance
"where the band recorded" → "where they recorded"
Done
"the previous albums," → "their previous albums,"
Done
"B-sides by the band." → "
B-sides by Pavement." with the pipe
Done
"were included in the album," → "were included on the album,"
The part about everything making sense does not appear to be sourced in connection to the album
It's sourced to a RS article in the next sentence. Malkmus says: "In my mind, it all fit together." --
Niwi3 (
talk) 18:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
I did check the source, must have not read through it properly; that part works actually. --
K. Peake 19:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Music and lyrics
"side of the band," → "side of Pavement,"
Done
Apart from a return to their early recordings, the remainder of the sentence is unsourced
Replaced "traditional rock" with "accessible" and backed it up with an extra source
Unusual structures appears to be sourced, while rhythm does not
Replaced rhythms with "disjointed musical styles" and backed it up with an extra source
Write noise rock to be clear
Done
"on some tracks like" → "on some tracks, like"
Done
"that is reminiscent" → "that was described as reminiscent" unless you can add multiple sources saying it is reminscent of this
Done
Remove obvious wikilink on piano
Done
The Gibson SG info is not sourced
It is. On page 90, the source says: "...a red Gibson SG Standard with P-90 pickups. Malkmus used it to play the solo on Rattled by the Rush..."
"The album cover is" → "The cover art for Wowee Zowee is"
Done
I don't think "copied it" is correct language when the source says he interpreted the photograph
Replaced with "caricatured it"
"It depicts two" → "The original depicts two"
"It" refers to Keene's painting, not the original photograph
"Omitted from Keene's copy of the photograph" → "Omitted from Keene's photograph" but is this part really notable?
I think it's useful because it gives more context to the photograph. Also, I replaced the word "copy" with "caricature" as I think it's more accurate
This info can be kept, but I removed "caricature" from this sentence as we already know he did a version of the photograph. --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply
[18] should be solely at the end of the para because it is used for all sentences after the first two
Kept the first instance because it comes right after quotation marks, but removed the other two
"a cover that he had" → "one that he had" to be less repetitive
Done
"an homage to" → "a homage to"
Fixed
"potential title for the album," → "potential title for Wowee Zowee,"
Done
Mention that Cocksucker Blues is a film and add the release year in brackets
Added documentary film but omitted its year of release because the source doesn't mention any year; it looks like the film was never released.
"on April 11, 1995 by" → "on April 11, 1995, by"
Fixed
"Fellaheen Records in Australia, and" → "Fellaheen Records in Australia, while it was released by"
Reworded the whole sentence to: "Big Cat Records and Domino Records issued the album in Europe, Fellaheen Records released it in Australia, and King and Pony Canyon released it in Japan." I think it flows much better that way.
That is mostly fine, though I reworded slightly to stop overusage of "the album". --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"March 30, 1995 and June 27, 1995," → "March 30 and June 27, 1995,"
Done
[3] should only be invoked at the end of the para after [19], as all of the info from then onwards is backed up by it
Kept one extra instance for the quotation marks
"To promote the album, the band" →"To promote Wowee Zowee, Pavement"
Done
"in summer 1995," → "in the summer of 1995,"
Done
"was the highest" → "became the highest"
Fixed
"the band performed a few" → "they performed a few"
Done
"Japan and the US." → "Japan, and the US." per American English
Fixed
At least mention the UK and New Zealand chart positions here since they are definitely high enough to be notable for prose
Done
Critical reception
"received mixed reviews from" → "was met with mixed reviews from"
Done
"claiming that Pavement" → "depicting that Pavement"
In my opinion, "Claiming" is absolutely fine here, way better than "depicting".
""Grounded" and "Kennel District"" → ""Grounded", and "Kennel District""
Fixed
"Pavement" and that the band does not" → "Pavement", and believed the band does not"
Done
"continues the tradition."" → "continues the tradition"." per
MOS:QUOTE
Fixed
"and that Kannberg "sometimes" → "and Kannberg "sometimes"
Fixed
"as his colleagues."" → "as his colleagues"."
Fixed
"but citicized Malkmus'" → "while criticizing Malkmus'" though this review should be the first of the third para since it's less negative
The third paragraph is quite long already, and the Spin review is actually more mixed than positive. I think it's fine to have it at the end of the second paragraph.
"the effort and details."" → "the effort and details"."
Done
Mention the name of the CMJ New Music Monthly review if known; otherwise, attribute it to the staff of the publication
Done
"that it requires several listens to be appreciated." → "that several listens are required for appreciation."
Done
"praising the band for" → "praising Pavement for"
Done
Cut down the amount directly quoted from Christgau per
WP:QUOTEFARM
"the album had sold" → "the album has sold" plus mention this as worldwide or a specific country if the source tells us
"had" is correct because 2009 is past (I changed the date from 2010 to June 2009 after double-checking the source, though). I also added "according to
Nielsen SoundScan".
I used by instead since this is more appropriate language to accompany had --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply
"the band decided to" → "Pavement decided to"
Done
"for their next album," → "for their next studio album" and add the release year in brackets
Done
"and consideres it" → "and considers it"
Fixed
"cryptic world view."" → "cryptic world view"." per MOS:QUOTE
Fixed
"discography" and that the band" → "discography", assuming the band"
Done
"them at first."" → "them at first"."
Fixed
"that the album was" → "that the former was"
Done
"successful Matador releases such as" → "successful Matador releases, such as"
Done
"and behind the band's debut," → "and behind Pavement's debut studio album" and mention the release year
WP:OVERLINK of Matador Records on ref 19 and cite as publisher instead
Done
WP:OVERLINK of The Village Voice on ref 26
Cite AllMusic as publisher instead for ref 30
Done
WP:OVERLINK of Rob Sheffield on ref 31
WP:OVERLINK of The Ringer on ref 36
WP:OVERLINK states that "Citations stand alone in their usage, so there is no problem with repeating the same link in many citations within an article" --
Niwi3 (
talk) 20:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)reply
External links
Good
Final comments and verdict
On hold until all of the issues are fixed; quicker review than I thought I'd do! --
K. Peake 18:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your review. I think I have fixed all the issue you have raised and left some comments above. Please let me know if there is anything else that needs to be fixed. --
Niwi3 (
talk) 20:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Niwi3✓Pass, did some copy editing which I left comments about at points above, but this is ready now! --
K. Peake 09:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)reply